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Herman Munster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:42 PM Original message |
Hillary hits Obama on health care - Obama's plan flunks the test |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
1. pot, meet kettle-- Clinton's "plan" is nothing more than a windfall... |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Thanks... Insurance should be a right, not a duty... |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Obama disagrees. He thinks insurance is optional |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. Clinton disagrees too, she thinks it is a duty... |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. It is a civic duty IMO |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. OK, so, those who are not insured are reckless? Live in the real world. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:20 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. No, our govt is reckless |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. Obama thinks insurance is optional? - wrong! he knows the people can't afford Ins. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Yes, his plan makes insuring oneself optional |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Obama isn't supporting single payer. He is supporting the insurance companies |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I understand that.... |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
24. Wrong again |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
69. Clinton's "plan" is universal compulsory insurance-- NOT real universal... |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:47 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. That's just silly |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:55 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. ok, it's universal compulsory insurance.... |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:57 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. It's universal, that's a fact. whether it's bad is just an opinion |
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Hieronymus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 11:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
83. Yes, indeed Edwards and Kucinich are the only ones that have a |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-30-07 08:25 PM Response to Reply #83 |
98. Edwards plan has nothing in common with Kucinich's HR 676 |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. Hillary must be a trend-setter having flunked the test herself in the 1990s. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
67. "Its all Clinton's fault!" My god, I am getting sick of that mantra |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 11:04 PM Response to Reply #67 |
85. Oh, so you are 'sick of this mantra,' are you? |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 09:14 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Amazing. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-30-07 08:08 PM Response to Reply #88 |
97. Sen Byrd is responsible for the health care failure of 1993 |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
4. Hillary's plan flunks the American poor, working poor, and middle class test |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Clinton's plan insures, the poor, and subsidizes the middle class |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:53 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Subsidizes the middle class through a "tax dedcution". |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. You don't even know what you're talking about |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
54. wrong post. self delete. |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
82. That's because she never defines it. How could any of us know? |
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Herman Munster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Have you even read her plan? |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Of course AC hasn't read the plan. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
73. that is propaganda at best-- Clinton's plan does NOT expand medicare... |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
5. Hillary's past healthcare failure is her version of "being more experienced"... |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Obama's past UNIVERSAL healthcare plan is non-existent |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:32 PM Response to Reply #14 |
66. Neither Clinton nor Obama have a health CARE plan |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:48 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. As one of the uninsured, I can safely say "insurance = care" in most cases |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:00 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. It all depends on what kinds of deductibles and copays the policy has |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:15 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Read Clintons plan |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:23 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Does it specify what the percentage of income is? |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. . |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:37 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Explain to me how having no money to buy food, clothing, and housing |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 10:48 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Poor people will receive Medicare and pay no premium |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 11:11 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. I don't see from her website how she defines "poor" |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. It's not as if you are concerned for the uninsured |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-30-07 02:20 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. And you did not read my post. I mean really read it. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-30-07 05:24 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. You have no credibility |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-01-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #92 |
102. Done talking to you about this. |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
8. Why did Hillary not try to bring us healthare in the second term? nm |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Why did you not try to defend Obama's miserable health plan? |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:00 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. Have you bothered to notice that the mandate is failing miserably |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. You are obviously oblivious |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:04 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. enlighten me. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. I just did |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. what questions? when did I duck? You lost me cuke. nt |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. These questions |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:20 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. *crickets* from bunny |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:47 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. Sorry cuke... I was eating dinner. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:51 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. LOL!! I knew you didn't know what you were talking about |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:01 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Listen to what Im saying. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:02 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. You are entitled your own opinion. You're not entitled to your own facts |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:11 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Of course its subject to my opinion.... |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:21 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. No it's not. Affordability is an objective measure |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:03 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. No. its not my choice. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:19 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Yes, it is your choice |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-29-07 09:53 AM Response to Reply #65 |
89. I dont know what world you live in cuke... |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-30-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. If you don't pay your taxes, you won't have to worry about rent |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. self delete |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. good point |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:58 PM Original message |
Hillary has done a lot about health care. You must be referring to Obama |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Well SCHIP was a big step. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:58 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. She was instrumental in the creation of SCHIP in Bill's 2nd term. |
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Nedsdag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-30-07 08:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
99. No she wasn't! |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
19. hIllary is spreading phony information again. That number of uninsured |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Which defeats the purpose of regular preventative care. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:07 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Obama undermines his goals but not supporting UNIVERSAL coverage |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:09 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. To me they all undermine their goals by not supporting single payer (nt) |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. I disagree |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:21 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. While I acknowledge the bridgeheads some of the plans establish. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Well, I won't even try to dissuade you from your position |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:28 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. My position on this has been one of evolution and study. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. I'm sure you are right |
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ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
30. Who has the best plan? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
31. We will lose on mandated health care |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
39. Hillary never mentions who exactly are these 15 million? would it be the Rich & Famous or |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
40. How is Hillary going to enforce the cornerstone of her plan -- the mandate? |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:22 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. When will Obama support UNIVERSAL Health care? |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:24 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. But she has "a plan"... |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:31 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. How does Obama plan to enforce his plans mandates? |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:01 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. *crickets* |
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rufus dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
51. so the big difference and leadership that Hillary is promoting is |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:03 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. No |
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rufus dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:06 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. O.K. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. No, did you? |
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rufus dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 11:12 PM Response to Reply #62 |
87. cute dog |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
64. Mandated insurance policies recommended by insurance companies is a disaster |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:50 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. Obama's plan has mandates |
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wiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
68. I read a pretty decent report on all candidates health care plans |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-30-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #68 |
95. Single payer is the way to go and many see Clinton and Edwards' respective plans as a bridge head. |
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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-28-07 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
84. Is Hillary giving tests now? |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-30-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #84 |
94. Kucinich will FORCE everyone to buy govt insurance |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-30-07 08:36 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. HR 676 does not FORCE people to buy anything.. |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-30-07 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
96. Both their plans suck |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-30-07 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
101. The "test"??? |
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