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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:31 PM
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Who said "I have repeatedly defended President Bush against the left on Iraq..."


It was the guy on the right who said today that he "opposed Iraq from the beginning."

Clinton is on the record saying:

""That's why I supported the Iraq thing. There was a lot of stuff unaccounted for," Clinton said in reference to Iraq and the fact that U.N. weapons inspectors left the country in 1998."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/index.html



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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:33 PM
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1. Wow, Mr. Zulu, I had forgotten.
This stuff matters to me, and I know you are simply setting things straight.

Thanks for posting.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:39 PM
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3. I guess I'm being a "sexist"...
:rofl:

I was awestruck when I heard that Bill Clinton said today that he was against the Iraq war "from the beginning". I remember another Bill Clinton a few years back that certainly was thinking a tad differently.

As you mentioned, someone has to set the record straight....before it's too late.


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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:42 PM
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4. there's some spectacular revisionist history going on of late
Rove was spinning wildly on Charlie Rose trying to sell the story that it was Congress that INSISTED on voting on the IWR before the election, and the WH was trying to stop them because they didn't want to politicize the war.

Damn, we need to declare a:
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:18 AM
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12. I saw about 5 minutes of that interview
I had to turn it off before I put my foot through KKKArl's face. Can't really afford a new TV right now.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:21 PM
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33. nor a new foot. they are more expensive
what with modern heath insurance science. (the method of being able to deny any valid claim in a single stroke)
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:22 AM
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15. It's because Iowa Democrats are seriously anti-war.
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 04:25 AM by ClarkUSA
So now The Triangulator is moving to the left without any regard for the truth. He obviously isn't acquainted with Google.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:30 AM
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21. I'm sure Bill knows about Google
Whether he thinks others do is another question...
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 02:43 AM
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34. He may know about it, but he obviously doesn't KNOW about it the way we bloggers do
He's a 20th century brick and mortar politician who got caught lying his pants off - well, perhaps that's an unfortunate turn of phrase. ;-)
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 10:37 PM
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38. I'd think perhaps someone has informed him that Google exists
If I was him, I'd imagine typing in his own name brings up a lot of content to check out...

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:37 PM
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2. Well, there's
a gross picture. Ol' Bill..just defendin' left and right..can't keep his damn stories straight and hillary wants colin powell as an emissary in her admin. oh, goody..gawd!
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:44 PM
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Wow. I love Bill Clinton, but what a big pack of lies. Total bullshit.
Tisk, tisk.

How is lying going to help his wifes campaign?

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:50 PM
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8. Let me preemptively write what Bill will say tomorrow about this...
Edited on Tue Nov-27-07 11:52 PM by zulchzulu
Q: So Bill, it was found through a 8 second Google search that you were in fact in support of Bush's war in Iraq and said you were defending him against the "left" who were against the war while you said that you were against the war the whole time. What do you have to say?

Bill: (smiling and then waving finger) This kind of gotcha politics has to stop. What I said then was that I was against the war but felt that we have to go to war in order to stop going to war in the future... how dare you.... (wagging finger)

Q: So...

Bill: Why can't we talk about my beautiful wife? Hillary? Come here, honey...

Hillary: (hugging Bill) Are they trying to attack us again?

They cackle together...as if rehearsed...



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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:44 PM
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5. Wow. I love Bill Clinton, but what a big pack of lies. Total bullshit.
Tisk, tisk.

How is lying going to help his wifes campaign?

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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:45 PM
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6. Happy smiley people holding hands...and the "Iraq thing." nt
Edited on Tue Nov-27-07 11:46 PM by calteacherguy
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-27-07 11:47 PM
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7. Bush/Clinton/Bush/Change
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CTD Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 12:04 AM
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9. Amen.
Just say no to more Clintons or Bushes in the White House
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 12:05 AM
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10. I saw Clinton say that on a talk show --
maybe Letterman? I've basically been a Clinton fan and was v. disappointed at the time.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 12:15 AM
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11. But...but...but... hillaryhubbabubba.com says Bill is right.
Does. Not. Compute.

What a couple a' s
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 03:57 AM
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13. In this article Bill does NOT say he supported invasion. Read it closer.
Read the article without a condemnatory prejudice, and it quotes Clinton as saying that, yes, he believed that Saddam had weapons, and that, yes, he agreed that Bush had to take action about that, and therefore WJC was generally supportive of the then-ongoing occupation and hoped it would prove worth the effort.

But he did NOT say that he supported the invasion itself. He said that he supported the UN inspections and wanted the UN (Hans Blix) report finished first, before taking aggressive action. Had that happened, there would ave BEEN no justification for Bush's war, because Blix would have found no weapons.

Therefore, Bill is NOT on record as supporting the invasion, but as supporting his president.

He never said Bush was right to invade Iraq (he passed up his own chance to). Instead, he said that he understood why Bush was motivated to act. Clinton most certainly was NOT a cheerleader for the war and, as far as I know, never beat the drum for it.

Had it been left up to Clitnon, we'd have never invaded Iraq. THAT is what the true record shows.

The rest is Clinton Derangement Syndrome.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:16 AM
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14. Facts are to Zulch as water is to fire. n/t.
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 04:17 AM by Lirwin2
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obamian Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:48 AM
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16. Where was he when all those anti-war rallies were going on?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:44 AM
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17. How Clintonian of you...
Of course he was on record saying he was for the war. Yes, he thought the inspections should have gone on longer, but he is absolutely on record supporting getting Saddam.

How amusing for you to point out that he "was against the war, but supported the President"... Shit or get off the goddamn pot.

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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:45 AM
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24. Gee...Nobama supporters misrepresenting Clinton's statement...
I'm shocked...shocked I tell you...

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:48 AM
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26. Some people keep believing proven liars...
Some of us see through the BS.

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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:51 AM
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27. Not if you are supporting Obama ...nt
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 11:52 AM by SaveElmer
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 04:21 AM
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36. That's the biggest pile of bullshit I've heard in a loooong time. nt
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:58 AM
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18. More on how someone "was against the war the whole time"
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 07:59 AM by zulchzulu
Tell me with a straight face that Clinton was against striking Iraq "the whole time".

The U.S.-led coalition in Iraq dropped far more bombs during the sunset of Bill Clinton’s presidency than under President George W. Bush in the run-up to war in Iraq.

Between 1999 and 2001, the U.S. and British-led air forces in Iraq dropped 1.3 million pounds of bombs in response to purported violations of the no-fly zones and anti-aircraft fire from Saddam Hussein.

(snip)

In the first three months of 1999, U.S. led-forces bombarded Iraq with 241,000 pounds of bombs—just shy of the 253,000 pounds dropped under President Bush in the eight months leading up to the final UN resolution before the war.

By August of 1999, American and British pilots had fired more than 1,100 missiles against 359 targets—that year alone.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Clinton_bombing_of_Iraq_far_exceeded_Bushs_in_runup_to_war__Bush_spikes_of_activity_que_0705.html


You can believe Bill Clinton at his word when trying to sell his wife as the best person to be President...or, as history has taught us, know when someone is a compulsive liar.



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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:09 AM
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19. That photo is so disturbing...
It's sickening enough to see Bill Clinton yucking it up with George Sr.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:27 AM
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20. The faces of "change"
:puke:
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:39 AM
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22. I don't know if Obama is the face of change either...
Hillary and Obama seem like two sides of the same coin to me.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:41 AM
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23. One in the same.
Meet the new boss...

...same as the old boss.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:46 AM
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25. Stupid move by Bill; creates more damage about Hillary campaign in the trustworthy and honesty area.
nm
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:14 PM
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30. Watch for more of this stuff as the Iowa race gets closer
Bill is going to have to flail as he sees his wife lose in Iowa.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:52 AM
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28. .
:hide::yoiks:
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:56 AM
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29. That;s the final straw for me
Bill Clinton just lost my vote
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:19 PM
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31. He beat the hell out of Dean for opposing the war
Now they want to pretend they weren't behind the campaign to defeat Dean?? God when are people going to wise up to these two. They are not good for our party or the country.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:07 PM
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32. Indeed
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 03:35 AM
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35. Clinton: "I was a Dean Democrat before I was a Lieberman Democrat"
LOL.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 04:24 AM
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37. They were, both of them.
Every time one lone Democrat would say a word in opposition, they made damned sure to get out there and publicly disavow such radical ideas.
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