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Ugnmoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 05:10 PM
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Dean will not go away nor will his supporters
The Dean phenomenon is no flash in the pan. I think most of us can agree that he and his followers have changed our political scene for the better and I believe forever. Governor Dean awoke the sleeping giant - the grassroots, new to politics, or apathetic, or otherwise disenfranchised electorate. Through the innovative use of the Internet he was quickly and effectively able to convey his message and amass an enormous amount of support. While no longer a Presidential candidate, I suspect we have not seen the last of Dean or the Deaniacs. I for one look forward to helping build the movement that will someday take back our country for the little people.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 05:11 PM
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1. Good, especially since his supporters will be working for the Dems (n/t)
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 05:15 PM
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3. Some Dems, yes.
Others, no.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 05:26 PM
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8. That's odd
I thought Dean said that he would support the eventual nominee... does that mean that if the eventual nominee is Kerry or Edwards, Dean's "sold out" to the establishment?
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 05:41 PM
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11. Please refrain from the rhetoric of stereotype.
You didn't specify which Dems and when. Most Dean supporters are the most committed people you will ever meet when it comes to ousting Bush.

But we will be equally committed to cleaning up our government if/when that happens.

Certain Dems will garner our support. Others will not. For instance, I know of one candidate for senator in my state who is above and beyond all the rest and who shares the integrity and the values of the Dean campaign. I'll do whatever I can to help him.

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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 05:45 PM
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12. That's great
But we will be equally committed to cleaning up our government if/when that happens.

That's what I keep pushing for among anti-ABBs. Get Bush out, get a somewhat sympathetic ear in, and it's that much easier to further your goals.

Sorry if I offended.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 06:04 PM
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16. Dean has stated that his primary goal is to get rid of Bush
Dean is first and foremost a loyal Democrat. But he is not going to be a shill for the DLC, if that's what you are implying.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 05:13 PM
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2. Great news! We need more energized Democrats.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 05:19 PM
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4. Are you sure the little people want the
responsibility? The little people did not vote for Dean? They voted for other people.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 05:46 PM
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13. I'm sorry,
meaning no disrespect, I do not understand your comment. Could you please rephrase?
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 05:20 PM
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5. What upsets the DLC establishment is....
that Dean supporters are not the type to be ordered into line and be handed a nominee to whom they owe their complete support, fund money and vote.

We, in fact, are a greater threat to the tired old impotent forces of the DNC and DLC establishment than even the rethugs. And I couldn't be happier about that.

Daschle and the rest of you pink tutus....your time is about up.


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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 05:25 PM
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7. You read my mind......
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 06:08 PM
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18. lol
:smoke: A million laughs, hahahaha. Such drama.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 05:21 PM
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6. I Wouldn't Have It Any Other Way... YES!!! Stay...
Don't go away!!!

Love, Allen
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Indiana Democrat Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 05:27 PM
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9. "The Dean phenomenon is no flash in the pan"
Yes it was.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 05:33 PM
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10. Wait till the election
Then I'll post this again for you to ponder.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 05:49 PM
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15. Why, what will the election show us in relation to this post?


Are you saying that a big victory for the Dem nominee will prove you right? I'm all for it.

The fight that we began can and must continue. Although my candidacy for president may end today, the most important goal remains defeating George W. Bush in November, and I hope that you will join me in doing everything we can to support the Democrats this fall. From the earliest days of our campaign, I have said that the power to change Washington rests not in my hands, but in yours. Always remember, you have the power to take our country back.
http://www.deanforamerica.com
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 06:26 PM
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21. when the Dems hemorrage voters? You can figure it out.
Kleenex will be provided, too. Because we're such nice people.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 06:31 PM
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22. Why would Dean's support of the nominee hemorrhage voters?
Edited on Sat Feb-21-04 06:41 PM by Feanorcurufinwe

You think Dean's supporters will turn against him and vote against the nominee?
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 06:41 PM
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23. Wait and see! You're in for an education
plus a front row seat in the final melting down of what is left of the democratic establishment. But rejoice, something better will take it's place, like the phoenix from the ashes.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 06:53 PM
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27. In other words, you have no explanation for your nonsensical opinion?
The fight that we began can and must continue. Although my candidacy for president may end today, the most important goal remains defeating George W. Bush in November, and I hope that you will join me in doing everything we can to support the Democrats this fall. From the earliest days of our campaign, I have said that the power to change Washington rests not in my hands, but in yours. Always remember, you have the power to take our country back. -- Howard Dean
http://www.deanforamerica.com

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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 06:42 PM
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24. If you guys are trying to recruit Dean supporters, you get an F
You better learn how to work WITH people and be proactive then these narcisstic, better than replies.

Have you ever been in sales???
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 06:55 PM
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28. I am trying
to get Scott Lee to explain why he thinks that when Dean urges his supporters to vote Democratic, they won't.

I'm not trying to sell anything.

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KFC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 05:47 PM
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14. It wasn't even a phenomenon
Hardly. 0 for 17 and already out of the race.

How the hell is that a phenomenon?
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 06:06 PM
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17. It is just such thinking and talk
that makes me hate kerry even more.......
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 06:10 PM
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19. Withold your pronouncements
Until the nomination is secure for your boy.

At the moment, that's hardly the case.
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jansu Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 06:23 PM
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20. Dean is not out and neither are his positions or.....
supporters. He is still second in delegates and he has asked us to continue to vote for him, because delegates do count, if you win the nomination or not. I think that too many voters, do not understand the process. Delegates matter for more than just who gets the nomination. The more you have the more your voice is heard on important issues at the convention. You have a say in the party platform and who may run as VP. To ask us to give up our beliefs to support someone who we do not approve of, either his positions now or how he voted in the past, is not what this country is about. Until the Convention, I will continue to support my candidate! I wonder what you would do if your candidate "lost" his lead.....would you still work for him, as long as he had not withdrawn or would you be a "fair weather faithful" and jump on the winners bandwagon?

I will vote my beliefs and not the polls! I hope others who support Dean will do the same! Everyone should vote their choice!

I will vote ABB in November!
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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 06:48 PM
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26. Just when I begin to think I could force myself to vote for Sen. Kerry
someone like you comes along, and I realize, no, I can't.

You sound like what I've been hearing is true, that Dean supporters are still viewed as a threat to the Kerry power base.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 06:45 PM
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25. Good I would hope not. That would waste their efforts
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