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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:43 PM
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Robert Scheer (The Nation) is "cheering for Ron Paul".
Robert Scheer, writing in The Nation, states why he is supporting Ron Paul. Although most here realize that Ron Paul is way off base with most of his "Libertarian" ideas, this is one that few of us can disagree with.
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http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071203/truthdig

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What can you get for a trillion bucks? Or make that $1.6 trillion, if you take the cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars as tallied by the majority staff of Congress's Joint Economic Committee (JEC). Or is it the $3.5-trillion figure cited by Ron Paul, whose concern about the true cost of this war for ordinary Americans shames the leading Democrats, who prattle on about needed domestic programs that will never find funding because of future war-related government debt?

Given that the overall defense budget is now double what it was when President Bush's father presided over the end of the cold war--even though we don't have a militarily sophisticated enemy in sight--you have to wonder how this president has managed to exceed cold war spending levels. What has he gotten for the trillions wasted? Nothing, when it comes to capturing Osama bin Laden, bringing democracy to Iraq or preventing oil prices from tripling and enriching the ayatollahs of Iran while messing up the American economy.

That money could have paid for a lot of things we could have used here at home. As Rep. Paul points out, for what the Iraq war costs, we could present each family of four a check for $46,000--which exceeds the $43,000 median household income in his Texas district. He asks: "What about the impact of those costs on education, the very thing that so often helps to increase earnings? Forty-six thousand dollars would cover 90 percent of the tuition costs to attend a four-year public university in Texas for both children in that family of four. But, instead of sending kids to college, too often we're sending them to Iraq, where the best news in a long time is they aren't killing our men and women as fast as they were last month."

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Those now celebrating the supposed success of the surge might note that, as the JEC report points out, "aintaining post-surge troop levels in Iraq over the next ten years would result in costs of $4.5 trillion." Until the leading Democratic candidate faces up to the irreparable harm that will be done to needed social programs over the next decades by the red-ink spending she supported, I will be cheering for the libertarian Republican. At least he won't throw more money down some foreign rat hole.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:45 PM
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1. Yet another reason to hate the Nation
Bunch of posers.

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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 02:33 PM
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3. The Nation is the best printed news source in the US.
The Nation allows its contributors to speak their mind, without worry of censorship. Have you ever read the in depth coverage of the average contributor. Scheer does not necessarily represent the views of the Nation. I read of Sheer's views on his website, Truthdig. I sort of think Scheer makes a point. US foreign policy and militarism has so devastated our economy, and Hillary and Gore would not change for these huge expenses, maybe Paul as kooky as he is , saving the one trillion a week, might be the best medicine for the US economy. / Question what would be better. Hillary continue US militarism for the next four years , she will not change policy , all that much from Bush really. You think Scheer not a well read journalist only shows your ignorance. I suggest you go to Truthdig to see the information available. I know Scheer really approves of Paul. It's just he thinks we have no choice. Example, Bill Clinton and George HW Bush both serves on the interests of the Trilateral commission. / Please Nation supporters, send your contributions to Nation Associates. They fund their research.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 02:55 PM
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5. Agree.
Some people do not seem to understand the importance of The Nation in our nation's discourse. Too quick on the trigger...
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 06:26 PM
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8. I give subscriptions to The Nation at the holidays and have done so for many years.
Here's to The Nation.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 11:40 PM
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11. Have have two , that is the bulk of our gifts.
Also, Don't forget to give the Nation to the library. We do. So many criticize a news source. The Nation is about the US's only independent news source. Those that criticize such independent news sources, wonder if they ever bothered to read them.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:48 PM
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2. Pula will never win and at least he's outing the anti-war and anti-Patriot Act Republicans, who may
come to learn that they have more in common with our eventually nominee than their party's eventual nominee.

That is actually a good think.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 02:35 PM
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4. Actually, only a few alienated white guys are cheering for Ron Paul.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 04:20 PM
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6. It must be amazing to have somebody on the right who voted against the war.
Edited on Thu Nov-22-07 04:23 PM by lvx35
It must feel good for them to actually be right about something. You can knock it, but just remember NO Dem candidate except kucininich did the same, none of them voted against the war.

It IS a huge waste of money just like the article says, and that's the LAST thing I am going to criticise Paul over.
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 04:29 PM
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7. There's something about Paul that is genuine. He has something that Hillary woefully lacks.
Even if you hate his politics, he doesn't try to fool you.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 11:47 PM
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13. what does Paul have that Hillary lacks?
Do you ever post anything that isn't smearing shit on Hillary Clinton?

You are completely transparent.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 06:26 PM
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9. Just a hello to Kentuck.
I have been looking for you lately. Thanks for the post. Good to see you here.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 10:19 PM
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10. Hello David Z...
Good to see an old friend still around. I have been studying history this summer.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 11:42 PM
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12. did you read the article.
Edited on Thu Nov-22-07 11:44 PM by cyclezealot
What I read said, Ron Paul shames most of the Democrats. And that is true. That is not quite the same as cheering him. He just suggests the present course might bankrupt the US, should Hillary maintain her pro war schedule until 2013.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 12:32 AM
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14. I put the title of the article in quotation marks...
That was the title used in The Nation?? Scheer is no fool. He knows Ron Paul's limitations, I am sure. However, it is a valid point that Paul is saying some things that most Democrats seem afraid to mention.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 01:29 AM
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15. Truthdig did use the same title.
, I Today's Robert Scheer's Columns

Cheering for Ron Paul


http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20071120_ron_paul_does_the_math/

Sorry you were right. Guess, we are not sure by what definition he uses the word, Cheering.
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