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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:02 PM
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Is Obama's Iowa Surge for Real?
Edited on Wed Nov-21-07 02:02 PM by babylonsister
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1686633,00.html

Is Obama's Iowa Surge for Real?
Wednesday, Nov. 21, 2007 By AMY SULLIVAN

Barack Obama

U.S. Senator and Presidential candidate Barack Obama waits for the start of another town-hall meeting in a stairwell in Muscatine, IA at the Muscatine Center for Social Change.


The new message driving Barack Obama's resurgent campaign these days is "electability plus." He debuted the new appeal at the Iowa Jefferson-Jackson dinner earlier this month, calling for a "party that doesn't just focus on how to win but why we should." Obama referred to what Martin Luther King Jr. called "the fierce urgency of now" and argued that the U.S. faces too many challenges at home and abroad for Democrats to be satisfied with merely taking the White House away from Republicans.

Electability plus means not just getting elected but getting elected for the right reasons. It is a rebuttal of the argument that Hillary Clinton should win the Democratic nomination simply because of her perceived advantage against gop rivals. And it provides a rationale for why Obama is running now, why he didn't wait four or eight years to launch a presidential campaign.

It's significant then that Obama's message seems to be catching on among the notoriously pragmatic Iowans. By 55% to 33%, Iowans—who will take part in a Jan. 3 caucus that will be the first test for Democratic presidential candidates—said they favored "new direction and new ideas" over "strength and experience," a new Washington Post/ABC poll found. In July the ratio was 49% to 39%. After trailing Clinton in the state most of the year, Obama now leads by 4 points, and he has eliminated her advantage among women voters and older voters. He is also dead even with her when voters are asked whom they trust more to handle the economy, Social Security and the war in Iraq.

To run on electability plus, of course, you first have to pass the electability threshold. There, too, Obama has fresh data on his side. His aides tout the fact that their candidate boasts higher favorability ratings among independents and Republicans than either of his main rivals. (A recent Pew survey found that 21% of Republican respondents would like to see Obama as the Democratic nominee.) And the Post poll suggests that Obama could benefit from last-minute shifts in support: 34% of Iowa voters said he was their second choice, compared with only 15% for Clinton. Under the arcane rules of Iowa caucuses, that means Obama is more likely to pick up voters who can switch their support if their candidate falls short of the required 15% bar for votes.

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But then a 64-year-old woman named Jane Svoboda stands up to challenge him. She wants to know why Obama doesn't talk more about terrorism —"the people who keep attacking us," as she puts it—and illegal immigrants. Obama discusses the need to regain global respect for the U.S. and argues that President George W. Bush erred by focusing on Iraq instead of Afghanistan. Svoboda interrupts to disagree, and that gets Obama going. "Iraq did not launch 9/11," he says, growing more and more animated. "That is part of the misinformation that has been coming out of this Administration."

The two get into a back-and-forth, which finally wakes up the crowd. By the time Obama moves on to immigration ("These are people who are trying to make a living. I understand they broke the law. But let me tell you something: if the minimum wage in Canada was $100 an hour ..."), he is, to steal a phrase, fired up. And the crowd, which cheers so loudly that he doesn't need to finish the sentence, is won over. The passionate response has answered their electability questions. As for the plus? On her way out of the event, even Svoboda offers a positive verdict: "He did a good job."
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:05 PM
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1. yes.
I think it's undoubtedly for real. He's a very engaging candidate- hillary isn't. And that's what a lot of folks think they have to choose between.
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:19 PM
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2. I agree. I haven't been involved in any anti-Hillary postings that DU seems
to have a lot of lately, but I think as the elections get closer people are getting antsy about her as the nominee. And Obama and Richardson seem to be gaining as a result of it.
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Red Zelda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:25 PM
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3. HRC is stale, yesterday's news
People want a new, fresh direction. That cannot be named Clinton or Bush.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 05:15 PM
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9. And, who, oh Master, should I vote for?
Really!
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 12:38 AM
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15. You should vote for Obama.
America will be thankful.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:28 PM
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4. No
He is a lightweight and his numbers have been mostly stagnant

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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:55 AM
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20. LOL.
Edited on Thu Nov-22-07 01:57 AM by calteacherguy
What in profound, insightful analysis! :rofl:

Here's some more profundity for you: Hillary is gonna get her tushy whipped!
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:33 PM
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5. No.
The only poll showing him surging is the WaPo one, and that one has been proven to be very unreliable.

One dubious poll does not make a trend.
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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 03:07 AM
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26. And Zogby...
Clintonites are in denial. That's fine. People "parked" their votes with Hillary. Now they are seeing both candidates up close and they are liking Obama better.
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:41 PM
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6. We'll know for sure come January.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:48 PM
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7. I think there has to be more polling to confirm his position
But I am sure as hell hoping.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 03:33 PM
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8. I'm sure there will be, any minute now.
;-)
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:01 PM
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10. What surging....?
Daily Presidential Tracking Polling History

www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/daily_presidential_tracking_polling_history

Rasmussen.

Obama drops 9 points in 3 days.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:25 PM
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11. That's Rasmussen. Research who does polling for them and get
back to me.
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 02:53 AM
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25. Rasmussen isn't historically significantly different from any other organization.
Edited on Thu Nov-22-07 02:53 AM by Basileus Basileon
A better argument is that one poll does not contradict another, but rather suggests that one or both may be an outlier. Personally, I do believe Obama has recouped a lot of momentum, and I believe that's a good thing for us. However, I'm open to being proven wrong. Heck, I had more or less written him off weeks ago, and here I am today thinking the opposite.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:31 PM
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12. Thanks!
n/t
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 08:22 PM
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13. No n/t
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 12:29 AM
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14. One poll does not a surge make... time will tell
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:25 AM
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16. NO! One poll Obama is ahead does a president make. 11
others and maybe more taken within the same time frame as the abc poll says HRC is ahead in iowa by 2 to 8 points. still ahead by double in N. H. and double digits in S.c. and Michigan and any other state one casres to look at..... HRC will win a majoority of the delgates between the dates of Feb 5 and the 15th of Febraury 08 to be the nominee.

Ben David
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:32 AM
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17. Real but 6 weeks too early.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:35 AM
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18. Nope. Obama doesn't have a chance in Iowa.
His campaign was finished 6 or 7 months ago, I would say.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:59 AM
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21. LOL.
:rofl:
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 02:50 AM
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24. Either it was or it wasn't.
It could be that his early breakout set his upper support limit, and that it won't go any higher. It could also be that he stalled as his inexperience prevented him from properly capitalizing, Clinton took the upper hand, and now he's recollected, refocused, and ready to charge forward.

Either it was over in June, or it's only just begun. We won't know for a few weeks.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:37 AM
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19. i like that picture of him
i hope it is real and he wins.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 02:05 AM
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22. I believe that is and that's a wonderful pic of the next President of the U.S. nt
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 02:47 AM
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23. Certainly. Inevitability is a slogan, not a fact. nt
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 03:31 AM
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27. Wonderful article.
Fantastic picture.

:thumbsup:

Forwarded widely....


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