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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:44 PM
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It's a two way race.
Realistically, it's between Obama and Clinton. Edwards has been stagnant for months outside of Iowa, and he's not doing nearly as well there as he should be, considering that he's spent far more time there than anyone else. Even if he wins Iowa, it's logistically improbable that he could pull it off. He doesn't have the money for Super Tuesday.

I think it's pretty clear that it's a race between Obama and Clinton now. I don't really get how anyone could argue differently.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:47 PM
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1. Then why call it a race at all? Maybe it's one-way.
Edwards odds of overtaking Obama are roughly as good as Obama overtaking Clinton.

So one-way, two-way and three-way ar all arbitrary.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 03:50 PM
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2. Edwards odds are not as good as Obama's
Obama has money and momentum. Edwards doesn't.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:05 PM
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3. Obama does not have momentum
Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 04:25 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
DU might think so, but DU isn't all that analytical.

If the statement was just that it is down to Clinton and Obama because they have the most money, that's reasonable.

But Obama is really no better off anywhere than he was in June.

People follow the media narrative of shifting margins rather than raw support... a major error in a fluid race. The fact that Clinton's run-away expansion has deflated some and Edwards is down doesn't mean Obama has momentum. It's a sign that he is solid where he has been for months. It's like the illusion of movement when you're on a stopped train and the train next to you moves.

For instance, the new WMUR NH poll. Clinton slips by 7 and Obama gains only 1 (and Edwards gains 1) That is not good for Obama... it shows what has been shown everywhere: Obama has serious trouble breaking 25%, state or national. (The recent 30% poll does not, in and of itself, change the trend) People bailing out from Clinton to Richardson is a terrible sign for Obama, since he is supposed to be the alternative. He is probably a niche candidate in the final analysis.

Running back John Riggins once said, "If you need three yards, I'll get you three yards. If you need four yards, I'll get you three yards." Obama is very solid at 22%, but people are showing real resistance to him above that level.

PS: I want to see the full NH poll... all we've seen is the headline numbers. I am curious whether the lower tiers went from 1% to 2% or whether undecideds ballooned.

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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:21 PM
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4. I think it's a two way race between Hillary vs. The Winner in Iowa. I think that's Edwards, but it
could be Obama.
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