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PollM Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:11 PM
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Only candidate that can beat the "Republican attack machine"?
Do you agree with Hillary Clinton that she's the only candidate that can beat the "Republican attack machine"?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=103

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:12 PM
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1. Not really. But they've yet to be able to drive a stake through her heart. So, the burden of proof
is on the other candidates. She's kind of proven it.
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:40 PM
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19. Thanks Karl
Nice to know you're gainfully employed again.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:47 PM
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22. Huh? nt
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:12 PM
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34. lol, he must be confusing you with someone else,
because that just didn't make any sense.
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BobRossi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:13 PM
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2. Please,
She sure had a distorted view of herself.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:13 PM
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3. not really
she is the one person who has more ammunition for the "republican attack machine" than any other candidate mainly because she has been in the political spotlight the longest.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:15 PM
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4. Short any shocking revelations
.....I think any of them can beat them, though the above post has revealed that Hillary already has.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:47 PM
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21. Right...
We already know everything there is to know about Hillary. She's got the fact that after years of investigation and millions of $$$ she came up clean. Her's is old news...boring. She doesn't even have to address it because "been there, done that". Whatever little thing they can dig up and distort about Obama, Edwards is going to be way more interesting. They will have to deal with it and be diverted from the message. Anyone who has read Obama's book know he dabbled in cocaine. But, it will hit the mainstream as if it's a new discovery.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:19 PM
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5. why brilliant. beat the republicans by running a republican.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:24 PM
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6. I will now speake in praise of HRC
This is a one time event. She was the one Democrat who called the the right wingers what they are - "the vast right wing CONSPIRACY." She was right. Her willingness to conceptualize conspiracies and deliberate plans of wrong doing (the smears) makes her well suited to anticipate and counter the right wing again. And she's tough. She probably has a workshop putting together counter attacks or preemptive attacks in anticipation of their barrage. She's not the only candidate who could do this. For example, Gore knows this and also he's aware of how they steal elections. But I'll give her just due. She'd make their lives very miserable.
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mrfixit Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:48 PM
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23. Considering she was parroting RW talking points even THEN...
How is this a good thing? The RW has been talking about the "vast left-wing conspiracy" for YEARS and YEARS. She turns it around to smear the smearers with IDENTICAL rhetoric and it is brilliant, all of a sudden?

She is not tough. Look at her pathetic voting record. She continually capitulates and makes terrible decisions. She is bought-and-paid-for already by a bevy of corporate lobbyists and special interests.

Even in a class among fellow Republicans, HRC is STILL not the best candidate.

She is pretty much the ONLY candidate that will FAIL to garner the support of the entire Democratic Party if given the nomination. True Progressives will stay away from the polls in droves.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:52 AM
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41. I'm with you 100%. She would be a disaster and maybe the end of the party.
But in a slug fest, I think she'd return blows with great skill. The comment was technical praise and my one and only ever positive comment about her political campaign. I think it stinks on ideological grounds and pragmatic ones as well. She's got higher negatives than any candidate, higher than 50% in the past, and they're solid, compared to her positives which are media driven or polling vapor ware.

Of the big three, only one speaks the right words, Edwards, to appeal to the public which is hugely pissed off. But he wavers now and then (like when he wouldn't contradict the other two on US troops being in Iraq in 2013).

Gotta be Gore for a win, imho...and I agree with your disagreement with me (weaseling out on the technical issue of HRC's counter attack crew).

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ilovesunshine Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:25 PM
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7. Yes, I agree.
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:26 PM
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8. she's the only candidate that can energize the "Republican attack machine"
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:29 PM
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9. 69% of the poll takers disagree with her.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:29 PM
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10. Oh don't be silly, Obama will run circles around Giuliani or/and Romey with the greatest of ease....
yaaaaawwnnn....!
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:32 PM
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11. No
because she is the one candidate that the Republicans are really gunning for. They've already pumped up their base to vote against her, and they are working to come out with lies, etc, to throw at the general public about her--and, I fear, much of it will be believed.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:34 PM
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12. Clinton machine folded on Healthcare, were impeached by a trumped up scandal,
and for 8 months after leaving the WH we were treated to "Clintons trashed the WH" lies.

After 9-11, after 8 books had come out blaming Clinton, it took Bill till Sept 2006 to finally knock back at SOME of the charges that he was asleep at the wheel on terror issue.

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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:43 PM
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20. You Repugs are so cute!
Trying to smear the only pres to balance the budget and give the middle class a good life.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:53 PM
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26. You missed the point entirely. Bill's MACHINE was ineffective against RW smears
on healthcare, the trumped up case for impeachment, and the RW smear that Clintons trashed the WH. Add that it took 5 years for Clinton to even hit back a little on the charges he was to blame for 9-11.

This thread is about fighting the RW smear machine - and the assumption that Clintons are best at it is based on a false premise.

You are calling me a Republican for pointing out the RW lies that weren't fought effectively? That's bizarre of you.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:14 PM
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35. That's really misguided
I'd suggest you read more of BLM's posts, and you'd realize he is no republican.

And if you think Bill Clinton was the only president to "give the middle class a good life" then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you....First of all, you manage to forget FDR, among others. And, in terms of hard cold reality, the assault on the middle class advanced significantly in the 90's.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:35 PM
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13. Do you mean "beat" or "feed"?
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:39 PM
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17. Hey Karl you're not getting older
you're getting better. Not.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:48 PM
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24. Hey, you're new here. Act nice or learn to explain yourself. Don't be a troll. nt
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:37 PM
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14. Bill did it twice. Why not?
For all the bravado, Edwards has no record.
Obama will be there in another 4 years, but not now.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:58 PM
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29. Bill was ABLE to because a few senate and congressional Dems pummeled Bush1
with investigations throughout his terms as VP and Pres.

There were constant bad headlines for Poppy every time there were new discoveries on IranContra, Iraqgate, and BCCI. And Poppy EXPECTED to get impeached after the BCCI report was released in Dec 1992.

So - Jackson Stephens, Poppy's longtime ally and a key figure in BCCI, moves his support to Bill Clinton, Poppy runs the worst campaign ever for a sitting president, Dec 1992 report on BCCI comes out and all the outstanding matters are swepyt under a rug in the next administration.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:39 PM
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15. I think that she's right!
The Clintons have been winning campaigns against the Republicans since the 70s. Bill only lost one election in his lifetime in 1980. Hillary has won the two times she ran for elected office. I would say that they have a pretty good record on being able to handle whatever the Republican attack machine throws their way. Proof of that is that she's still way ahead of the polls nationally, despite the incessant attacks of the Repug candidates and now of her fellow Democrats.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:39 PM
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16. Obama has already shown he can't.
Look at the kiddyfied tripping all over himself about the Novak swifty boating.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:11 PM
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33. that is one lame meme
back to frameshop for a refresher course
You guys have to be more creative in your meetings, I'm disappointed in the quality of your work lately
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:40 PM
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18. The Manichean worldview of the question is problematic.
"Only"? How about just "best", or even "better"?

In my opinion, the constant framing of everything as "life or death", "all or none", "now or never", devalues discussion.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:49 PM
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25. I don't think that Hillary is the only one that can withstand those attacks.....
But I think that it will take a candidate with deep campaign pockets to get their message through, or else they will be at the mercy of our national media.....and being at the mercy of large corporations is never a good thing.

So at this point, I will only support those candidates who have NOT accepted public financing.....because we don't need additional handicaps than required.

I will say that it is accurate to understand that the Republicans actually don't want Hillary Clinton as the nominee...which is why they are now busy deconstructing the "inevitability" myth they so carefully crafted up to now. That's no accident; of that, I am certain.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 04:34 AM
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45. Agreed.
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rjones2818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:54 PM
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27. Her advantage
is that she's been a target of that machine ever since Bill was President.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:57 PM
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28. Yes. n/t
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smheart78 Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:04 PM
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30. Biden is Best suited
to take on the Republicans. He has already made Guliani look bad and is much more time tested and secure than all the other candidates. With 75 senate votes for his Iraq plans, it is a sincere vote that many republicans trust his judgement. Now that is proof!
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kad7777 Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:09 PM
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31. I agree, BIDEN's the best we have
to take on the GOP machine. He'll never back down or take any of their crap!! As smheart78 said he crushed Rudy in one sentence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7Y8AFctpjo

imagine what he'll do to the rest of them. AND Joe will pull down Republican votes better than ANY Democratic candidate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtGCaqOdIJ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUC8LeZ1hM4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HcXkLbRIWw

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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:10 PM
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32. Nah. Any of 'em can beat it.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:16 PM
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36. No. She isn't the only one. But her name recognition and history are so very well
known that she may be the hardest to tar with a smear campaign. Because the has been so public for the last 16 years and all the skeletons are out of the closet. And people know that.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:19 PM
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37. Not the only one. I think Biden could, too, as well as Obama
Any of those three are known to strike back without hesitating and do it effectively.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 10:47 AM
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48. Biden
His cracks about Rudy really ruffled Rudy's feathers and you know he has more of the same.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:21 PM
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38. hardly
Properly prepared, I think any of the Democrats could handle that task.
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:03 AM
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42. I wonder what it is going to take to be "properly prepared".
John Kerry didn't seem prepared whatsoever and you would have thought he would have known what was going to come his way.

It was painful and frustrating watching.

Agree that Biden could probably answer back and he doesn't seem to have any skeletons in his closet. I don't think the opponents know any secrets about Clinton either. The question is: will our candidate be ready for any LIES that come forth? That will be the key because those lies are going to fly!
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 04:42 AM
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46. Any candidate who isn't aware of that by now............
does not deserve to be the candidate!
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:22 PM
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39. 100% Yes
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 07:25 PM
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40. BTW, I saw her commercial & I don't remember her saying she was the "only" one who could beat them
Notice in your article, too, that nothing is in quotes that has her saying that she is the "only" candidate who can beat the Republican attack machine. The author of the article is stretching things. Those are his or her own words.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:03 AM
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43. Biden!
Biden is a straight shooter. He will give it as well as he receives it.

-P
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:06 AM
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44. Absolutely not. Pure propaganda. nt
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:49 AM
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47. no, the claim is laughable at best
and people who believe it are to be laughed at.
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