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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:05 AM
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Edwards and Obama do not share a strategy re Clinton
Escape From Iowa

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On first inspection, the strategy of going after Clinton while giving Obama a pass might seem odd: After all, Edwards and Obama are competing for the non-Hillary vote in Iowa. But the Edwards approach has its logic. Roughly 120,000 voters participated in the caucuses in 2004, and the savviest operatives in all three campaigns assume that something like half of likely caucusgoers are still undecided. (That public polls put the percentage at between 10 and 15 percent is dismissed as yet another sign of those polls’ notorious unreliability when it comes to Iowa.) For the Edwards campaign, the first crucial task in the next month and a half is to raise the stakes of the election in the eyes of those 60,000 undecided voters, to convince them that fundamental change is necessary, that not just any Democrat will do in 2008. Because if any Democrat will do, Clinton—the safe choice, the known commodity—likely wins.

In the drive to raise the stakes thus, the Obama campaign serves a useful purpose, for its message of root-and-branch transformation of Washington echoes that of Edwards. It’s also the case that Obama and Edwards’s demographic bases (upscale for the former, downscale for the latter) don’t overlap as much as Edwards’s and Clinton’s do, so Edwards and Obama can both grow their ranks of supporters without cannibalizing each other’s. And that, if Edwards and Clinton later wind up in a one-on-one race, the Edwards people hope to pick up Obama’s fans, particularly the young ones—hence an imperative to tread lightly on the Illinois senator.

So the Edwards and Obama camps are de facto allies in the cause of toppling Clinton? Certainly, in the weeks following Clinton’s wretched debate performance at the end of October in Philadelphia, the two sides seemed not just to be crooning from the same songbook, but doing so in perfect-pitch a cappella harmony. In the blogosphere, where some Edwards boosters saw the putative alliance as a suicide pact for their man, theories even sprouted that Trippi—who angled for a job with Obama before signing on with Edwards and is a friend of Obama’s backroom Svengali, David Axelrod—was an Obama mole within the House of Edwards.

In fact, the Obama campaign has never seen the situation the way the Edwards people do. If there was any doubt that this was true, it was removed last week, when David Plouffe, Obama’s campaign manager, unleashed a strategy memo that strafed Edwards almost as severely as it did Clinton. “On many core issues the Edwards of today is different than the Edwards of 1998, or even 2004,” Plouffe wrote. “It’s admirable to admit mistakes but John Edwards has apologized for most of his record while in the Senate, saying he got it wrong on trade with China, Right to Work, Packer Ban, No Child Left Behind, Bankruptcy reform and of course, the Iraq War.” And for good measure, Plouffe added, “Senator Edwards does not show an inclination toward unity, suggesting compromise is a dirty word.”

The objectives of Obama’s team are straightforward: to make Iowa (and the rest of the contest) a two-person race between their guy and Hillary. In Plouffe’s telling, Edwards is fading fast in Iowa. And a key Obama supporter there, the former state party chairman Gordon Fischer, gave an interview last week disparaging the turnout of Edwards supporters at the big-deal Jefferson-Jackson Dinner on November 10, arguing that Obama was well poised to pick up Edwards’s voters, whom he described as “up for grabs.”



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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 03:34 PM
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1. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend
The race in Iowa especially, is too tight for Obama and Edwards to be buddies. It's not enough to go after Clinton, each one has to take as many votes as possible or be beaten by the other. Obama has already threw down on Edwards. And the strategy takes the focus off of him, if it's "two against one". He would rather we be talking about Obama vs. Clinton and forget about Edwards, take him out of the picture. And that is exactly what we have been doing, no?

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judy from nj Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:59 PM
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2. I've heard that
Clinton is the second choice of both Edwards and Obama supporters by a 2 to 1 margin. It seems like a fading Edwards will help Clinton not Obama.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:36 PM
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3. I saw that, but I think its a little too early
to tell what will happen. Seems to me Iowa likes to be fickle right up to the end.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:26 PM
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6. I wonder if Iowa will be that important...
I used to think it would be more important than ever. Now I'm not so sure.

It's a matter of perspective really. For Edwards, Iowa is essential. I think he needs to win it to stay in the running. Obama needs to win Iowa, or come in second behind Edwards (in other words, beat Clinton), to win NH. And I think he has to do both to remain in the race. Hillary can lose both Iowa and NH and still take NY and CA, and probably FL. Those are the big states with by far the most delegates (assuming FL gets to keep its delegates). If she wins those, Iowa and NH might not matter.

I think if Iowa ends up a three-way split with no decisive winner, it's the same as if Hillary had won because she'll go on to take NH and the bigger states to follow. Of course, a lot of that depends on how the media plays it. If they want Clinton to win the nomination (and I think they do), they may downplay any loss by Hillary unless it's a major stomping.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:13 PM
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7. Your analysis makes sense to me.
The most significant difference in this years primary vs 2004, is a stronger national leader that will be tougher to knock back.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:15 PM
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9. Nobody in New Hampshire cares at all about Iowa.
They almost anti-care.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:16 PM
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12. Agreed in part. There's one big thing about NH
That's different from every state that follows it.

The main advantage of winning Iowa is the media coverage. Without that media, voters in most states don't even know who the candidates are, much less what they stand for. But not so NH, where the average voter pretty much not only knows who's running, but they have a fairly good amount of information about them, or at least think they do. So in that sense, Iowa doesn't matter as much to NH as it does elsewhere.

But what does matter, even in NH, is whether a candidate is perceived as able to win. That's what Iowa gave Kerry. A lot of NH'ites wanted to vote for Kerry all along -- he was hometown boy -- but it seemed like his campaign was dead and they didn't think he'd be viable nationally. Iowa essentially gave those people "permission" to vote the way they'd wanted to all along.

I think a lot of voters in NH like Obama a lot, and have their doubts about Clinton, but they're not sure Obama is up to the task of going up against the Republican machine... much less run the country. If he wins Iowa, it will show them he can at least take on the Clinton machine and they'll feel a whole lot more confident about giving him their votes.

That's why I say Obama needs to beat Clinton in Iowa to win in NH, and he needs to win there to stand a chance in the Super Tuesday states to follow.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:25 PM
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4. That's been the case, Judy
It may be changing. Iowa polls are showing the three of them with equal weight for second choices 26-26-26. Today's poll combining the second-choices of candidates outside the top three: 34% Obama, 28% Edwards and 15% Clinton. 55% have Obama as both first and second choice. If this holds up in subsequent polling, things might start to shift elsewhere. We'll have to see.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:06 PM
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5. That's exactly what I've been saying,
thanks for finding this WD.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:14 PM
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8. Edwards, Obama, and all the GOP candidates share a strategy re Clinton
Negative personal attacks and mudslinging.
Some do it with the clever skill of a trial lawyer, some with the clumbsy hatered of a Reagan-wanna-be, some by pretending to trust Bob Navak's word. But they all share it.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:16 PM
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10. They are not collaborating
Which is how the Edwards campaign tries to make it appear and how many DUers have wanted to interpret it. All politicians share to an extent a negative attack strategy. That's politics.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:32 PM
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11. "Share" as in "collaborate"? No. Edwards would never partner up with a fellow Dem.
Edited on Wed Nov-21-07 02:33 PM by MethuenProgressive
Ask John Kerry.
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