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Andy_Stephenson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 02:02 AM Original message |
"It's Time to Get Over It": Kerry Tells Anti-War Movement to Move On |
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whirlygigspin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 02:09 AM Response to Original message |
1. as a Dean supporter |
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bearfartinthewoods (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 03:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
79. according to a poll i just heard on the tube, nader pulls 5% |
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Johnyawl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 02:20 AM Response to Original message |
2. It's the Presidents job to do this |
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Tank in Texas (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 02:32 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Nothing In Your Opinion |
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kalian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 09:59 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. So, will he.... |
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revcarol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 10:50 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Whoops!! And more questions: |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 12:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
39. What the fuck is wrong with that "goal" is that the description is a LIE |
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dfong63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 03:14 AM Response to Original message |
4. God help us |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 03:51 AM Response to Original message |
5. Deleted message |
BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 11:16 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Soon enough, statements like this will be banned |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 11:20 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. You can ban the statements, but you can't ban the sentiment |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 11:38 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Have you read this thread? |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 11:40 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Nope, it's all just fluff to me |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 11:54 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. That's all fluff to you? |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 11:56 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Meet the new boss |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 12:19 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. You keep saying that, even though it's not true |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 12:31 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. I don't believe there will be any real difference other than the SCOTUS |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 12:37 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Bush doesn't think you or I should have the freedom of our faith |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 12:44 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I've been hammered with the scare tactics for more than two decades |
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sangha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 02:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
71. Facts are fluff, slogans are the REAL deal |
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dawn (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 02:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
69. Do you care about the rights of gays or women? |
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greatauntoftriplets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 12:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
35. You know, at first I didn't like the "ham sandwich" analogy... |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 12:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
37. Feel the same, but you lose me WS |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 12:34 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Voting third party is throwing your vote away |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 12:45 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. Here's a hypothetical for you, Nu Duer |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 01:10 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Well said |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 01:24 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Agreed. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 01:26 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Actually, I consider the chances of it happening extremely large |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 01:35 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. But the other half of the scenario |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 01:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Even fundamental change of the Republican Party doesn't matter |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 02:42 PM Response to Reply #52 |
75. the joys of relativism |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 11:27 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. What isn't |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 01:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. PPI is not PNAC |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-04 02:39 AM Response to Reply #58 |
85. Will Marshall is the head of PPI (also Kerry's foreign policy adviser) |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-04 11:42 AM Response to Reply #85 |
94. Right |
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dawn (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 02:10 PM Response to Reply #46 |
70. McCain is a hardcore Republican. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 02:22 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. If it was McCain vs. Kerry in 2008 |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-04 02:55 AM Response to Reply #70 |
86. Depends on what you mean by "hardcore Republican" |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 02:39 PM Response to Reply #46 |
74. that's an interesting hypothetical |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 12:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
47. my last "lesser evil" vote also. n/t |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 11:58 AM Response to Reply #5 |
29. Trouble with that is there may be no elections for your new party. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 12:00 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Scare tactics |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 12:31 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. Personally, I agree. For my kids, however, who wins makes a big diff! |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-04 03:07 AM Response to Reply #29 |
87. The Little Turd could just as easily do that this year |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 01:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
49. If the destruction of the Democratic Party is your goal |
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dawn (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 02:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
68. Nice to know you can be so pure in your views. |
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randr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 03:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
78. I am afraid you miss the point |
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RafterMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 04:17 AM Response to Original message |
6. It's a clear choice |
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cyclezealot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 06:17 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. William Greider I trust. |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 12:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
48. There's no choice because it IS all the same. |
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kalian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
8. IF Kerry wins.... |
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Minstrel Boy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 11:36 AM Response to Reply #8 |
16. Nothing will change, except |
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mandyky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
10. Hmm, Kerry said a similar thing about election 2000 |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
11. And you know John Edwards |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
15. An ironic contrast to Kerry's own principled stand 30 years ago |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 11:37 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. The conflict with another army to win a war is over |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 11:46 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. History is memory, People are dead and wounded. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 12:18 PM Original message |
And on to the next country? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 12:18 PM Response to Reply #18 |
33. And on to the next country? |
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Nashyra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 11:47 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Think about the SCOTUS |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 11:51 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. It's always about the SCOTUS |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 11:56 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Where did I "spout" about no change? |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 01:28 PM Response to Reply #15 |
56. He gave that up some time ago. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 01:45 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. I wonder how our pacifism would hold up under a WWI and II type threat |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 01:48 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Who said anything about pacifism? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 02:19 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. But you refuse to accept that John Kerry's statements and actions |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Kerry said Saddam brought military action on himself |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 03:13 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. That is out of context of his many other statements that condem the course |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
17. This article is premised on the lie that the resolution authorized war |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 11:57 AM Response to Reply #17 |
28. Oh please. Which is it? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 12:14 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Not talking? |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 12:18 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. I did not post this thread. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 12:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. This is not a forum to troll for votes |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 12:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. The vote is part of history now. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 12:41 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. You’ll be Absolutely Free. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 01:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
60. Feeling rather militaristic? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 02:00 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. I don't want to stand as a sitting duck |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-04 08:27 AM Response to Reply #65 |
88. I am quite sure |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-04 11:06 AM Response to Reply #88 |
90. That is your premise |
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Indiana Democrat (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
20. He's right. |
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HalfManHalfBiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
51. I will cry in my beer about Dean |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 01:28 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Which Part of Progressive Internationalism Did Dean Disagree With? |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 01:45 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Same old BS, another day |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 02:02 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. The IWR did not authorize regime change. |
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gate of the sun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-04 02:24 AM Response to Reply #66 |
84. do you think you've made any head way yet? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-04 11:50 AM Response to Reply #84 |
95. What arrogance! |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 02:03 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Actually, You're Wrong About Dean And Biden-Lugar |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-04 08:32 AM Response to Reply #67 |
89. I disagree with PI |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #89 |
97. Where is your candidate's foreign policy document? |
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snoochie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
53. My vote for Imperialism Lite tm |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 03:57 PM Response to Reply #53 |
80. I'm with ya, snoochie |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-21-04 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
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thebigthink (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-04 01:18 AM Response to Original message |
82. Gee, to read that headline... |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-04 11:18 AM Response to Reply #82 |
91. That Was A Fantastic Reply - I Agree Wholeheartedly |
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adadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-04 11:24 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Absolutely Fantastic and |
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regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-04 02:08 AM Response to Original message |
83. This article is fascinating...and frightening. |
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thebigthink (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-04 03:18 PM Response to Reply #83 |
100. ...and pretty bogus. |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-04 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
92. Jesus Christ - |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-04 11:53 AM Response to Reply #92 |
96. What should we chant? |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-04 01:18 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Jingoism by any other name |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-04 01:47 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Love and pride in America isn't jingoism |
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