CNN's Blitzer doesn't learn from Criticism. He Declares Hillary the Debate Winner

[KoKo]

while doing his segment on last week's debate. CNN took clips of all the candidates and ran them giving more time to Hillary, though, and lingering through the applause and boo's of Edwards just in case folks missed it and just to "stick it in the eyes" of those who criticized the conduct of the debate.

Candy Crowley, Dana Bash and Suzanne Malveau were the "Emmy Award Winning Experts" who were selected to review the debate. The consensus was that Hillary won and that she sent John Edwards "running for cover." Dana Bash tried to be fair but the other two drowned her out.

Blitzer declares Hillary the Winner of the Debate. And, when Blitzer Speaks...Everyone Listens! He is the "Decider" sharing that dubious self pronouncement along with that MadMan squatting in the WH.

[bigdarryl]

1. motherfucker set the debate up for her to do well

[ccpup]

3. omg

:rofl: :spray:

[Cha]

18. That's right..

so by gwad..she's the winner and the others can go eat shite.

Fascist mediawhores have their reasons for these set ups and ours is not to wonder why..ours is but to suck it up or die.

[blm]

33. But she DIDN'T perform well - Biden won that debate hands down, and

the others did better than Hillary on substance.

[mtnsnake]

49. Why do you always post factually inaccurate information?

Is it by accident or is it because you have an obvious agenda of smearing the good names of both Clintons?

[blm]

55. If I said something inaccurate than prove it.

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[mtnsnake]

57. If 1/100th of what you've said about the Clintons was true, both of them would be in prison for life

But instead, Bill's legacy is that he was one of the best Democratic Presidents in modern times and his wife, the Goddess of Peace, is on the verge of matching him. There, that was easy enough. :smoke:

[blm]

58. And you believe Poppy Bush is in jail because Bill let the investigations continue?

Or you believe that Poppy Bush and his cronies deserved to retire in peace as there was no further investigation needed?

[mtnsnake]

60. I didn't know Poppy Bush was in jail. You feeling alright, blm?

[blm]

61. You DON'T believe Poppy was let off hook so he must be in jail in YOUR world

Are you alright?

Because many of us believe Poppy was protected throughout the 90s and that is why his network became stronger instead of weakened in the 90s after they had been so exposed by the IranContra, Iraqgate and BCCI investigations by the end of 1992 and by the CIA drugrunning report in 1996.

So - what happened in those years in YOUR world?

[pdxmom]

2. That was the most biased panel discussion I've seen outside of Faux. N/T

[Cha]

20. I can only imagine since

I cancelled my cable news right after the elections on Nov 6, 2002..but, do you think it would help if all of you who did see this would write to them and tell them what you saw and you don't appreciate their manipulation?

Somethin's gotta give.

[illinoisprogressive]

4. The Clinton News Network. What a farce..

[Cha]

24. Actually, it's Crap Network Noise

but their just setting up hillary for the big slaughter if they have their way and she gets the general.

They reserve the right to set up only to take out.

[Jack Bone]

IMHO...I thought Biden won.

But then again, who the hell am I? I'm no Wolfie Blitzer.

Just to set the record straight..I'm a Gore guy

[Cha]

26. I can't watch that

pretend farce shite..but we know hillary was set up to win and they're not gonna back down now just cause new shit has come to light.

[K Gardner]

5. Transcripts

I'm waiting for the transcript of tired sound bite cliches used by Crowley, Bash and Malveau to describe Hillary's performance. I just want to make sure I heard what I thought I heard, which was undeniably nauseating. I'm not slamming HRC here, just the coverage (which, after the debate, was truly over the top).

[mrfixit]

6. Kucinich won handily, with only 5:37 of airtime. Want PROOF?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYWWBwf2wHE


Go Dennis!!!

[jenmito]

7. And either Dana or Suzanne said this morning that the AUDIENCE was the other WINNER!

:wtf: She said they really participated in the debate and made their feelings clear by booing or cheering, even causing Edwards to back off Hillary. And I turned to "This Week" for a second during a commercial of another show and saw Stephanopoulos say the audience was pretty much EVENLY DIVIDED for the candidates! :eyes:

[itsrobert]

8. You didn't think CNN was going to plead guilty as charged?

No, they are going to put up a fight that would make OJ and Johnny Cochran proud.

[KoKo]

10. I thought they might at least do a Carville disclaimer and talk about the "Diamonds or Pearls"

controversy explaining their side of it. Duhh...I was thinking about "old media" who used to take criticism seriously...not the Corporate McPravda who doesn't need an audience or ratings for their Propaganda because they will get payed no matter what they spew. :silly: me...

[jenmito]

9. Not to mention CNN will have replayed the entire debate about 6 times by the end of this weekend.

AND, Howard Kurtz, when someone on his panel said she was surprised to find out that CNN chose the "diamonds or pearls" question and the girl who was told to ask that question was angry, he defended it by saying she wanted to ask about Yucca Mountain but that was already discussed, so they chose one of her other questions she wanted to ask, without pointing out that they chose the frivolous question when there were 3 OTHER questions she wrote down. :eyes:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. So Did Most People Who Watched The Debate That Didn't Have A Dog In The Fight

DSB

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[LWolf]

14. Welcome to DU! n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. I Have Addressed That

CNN provided Hillary with a more or less friendly environment...MSNBC provided Hillary with a more or less hostile environment... IMHO, it's not up to a news outlet to provide a friendly or hostile environment but to provide a neutral one...

[bartlet4america]

21. Still it isn't right no matter who it helped and this is a big deal

regardless if it helped her, it is WRONG. To pass off these people as undecided voters is nothing less than a subversion of democracy.

[jenmito]

23. I agree...

and welcome to the DU! :hi:

[bartlet4america]

25. Thanks!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. It Was A Big Deal When Tim Russert Tried To Crucify Her And Rigged The Questions Against Her

If we are to criticize CNN we must also criticize MSNBC...By the same standards and all...

I wish they would have held it a empty television studio so the candidates HRC vanquished wouldn't have any silly excuses...

[jenmito]

31. He "tried to crucify her"??? No. He dared ask her tough questions...unlike Wolf...

and also, CNN's pro-Hillary audience was RUDE and the moderator didn't discourage that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. Ahhh

There was an analysis of the debate...Fat Face Russert invited the other debaters to take shots at Hillary Clinton on numerous occasions...

According to jenmito a fair debate is when the debate is rigged against HRC and a rigged debate is a debate where it is not...

Is that right?

[jenmito]

39. No...that's NOT right...

Russert invited nothing. HILLARY invited the other debaters to "take shots at" her evasive/ever-changing answers. Russert simply did what any good moderator would do-asked questions with follow-ups.

A fair debate is when the debate is fair-when questions are asked and answered and followed up if appropriate. CNN's debate was a showcase for Hillary, complete with softball questions for her, no follow-ups for her when obviously called for, and a rude pro-Hillary audience.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. No- Fat Face Russert Asked Several Thinly Veiled "What Do You Think Of Hillary Clinton" Questions..

When I was a kid I saw Big George Foreman fight four or five fighters on the same night!!!


I would pay to see Hillary Clinton debate all sever of her challengers in succession , mana a mano on the sane night with a debate panel scoring it, in a loser leaves politics match... That's how confident I am of her in a fair fight...

[jenmito]

44. No. He asked fair questions that ANYONE would ask to and about a front-runner

And I'd love to see OBAMA debate all of HIS challengers mano a mano(a) with no audience and see him kick their butts.

[bartlet4america]

32. Well

DSB, this is true but planting these people is worse. I dont see how people dont get that. AGAIN, I dont care who this helps because I know what this hurts : Democracy and America

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. If You Have Proof That Hillary Planted The Crowd Please Provide It

DSB

[CyberPieHole]

54. You should supply proof if you make those kinds of allegations,

otherwise someone might think you an "alleger". Welcome to DU, bartlet4america.:hi:

[davidwparker]

46. Welcome to DU.

[CyberPieHole]

34. Stop with your logic. Logic just confuses the fake outrage.

:evilgrin:

[blm]

56. Baloney - those not carrying water to protect BushInc saw Biden as the clear winner.

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[Bitwit1234]

12. Golly what a shame...

was the real reason he was critized is Obama wasn't declared the winner. Guess so.

[Cha]

15. Candy Crowley, Dana Bash and Suzanne Malveau ..

Mediawhores-extraordinaire..what can we say? Except, anyone who can still watch this gag-fest has a strong stomach.

I know this has to be done for reconnaissance but what if no one watched cnn..would they make a sound except to hear their own obnoxious shit?

You say dana bash tried to be fair? What was her fairness all about? :)

[durrrty libby]

17. Hillary had a great night. Tough shit about all the sour grapes.

[CyberPieHole]

47. They love to pile-on if she falters, but hear them sqwack when she kicks butt.

:toast:

[CyberPieHole]

19. Maybe it's because she won the debate.

Perhaps there is nothing nefarious or cloaked in mystery. Clinton whooped ass in Vegas.

[jenmito]

22. Of course she's perceived to have won the debate. They let her get away with

answering questions with one word when just two days before she held a postion 180 degrees from it, she had crowd that was rude to the other candidates, and she had softball questions.

[mtnsnake]

27. What's he supposed to do? Lie and say that Edwards won it?

Anyone who watched it knows who won and who bombed. That debate wasn't even close.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. It Reminds Me Of Sports Fan Blaming The Refs For Their Team's Losses

DSB

[KoKo]

37. It's not up to him to declare ANYONE the winner.... The Panel is for

discussion as to what was said in the debate. It's not a Horse Race or a Football Game. The electors are to decide...not Wolf Blitzer or CNN or the Panel to "declare a winner."

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. Was It Appropriate When Tweety Declared HRC "Knocked Out" In The Philadelphia Debates?

DSB

[mtnsnake]

42. Hold on now, DSB, we all know what's good for Hillary isn't good for the others

[CyberPieHole]

45. Yes. That was appropriate in that instance. But, this is inappropriate.

Simple mistake. You didn't know.:sarcasm:

[KoKo]

48. No....it's not appropriate for any of them to be Advocates.

At least with Fox news you know they are Advocates. The others have gotten away with "pretending" but now we see there's no difference. They are "Advocates" working against the electorate. I would feel the same if they declared any other candidate ...The Winner." What they are doing is wrong and it's working to destroy our system of government, checks & balances and our Constitution when the Media and a handful of Pundits are "The Deciders."

[sufrommich]

50. You do realize that throughout the history

of televised debates there have always been declared winners,right?It's what the talking heads do and have always done.The Kennedy/Nixon debates being the most obvious.This is hardly new or ominous,no matter how you try to twist it.

[ClarkUSA]

29. And James Carville seconded the motion! Case closed.

They don't call CNN the Clinton News Network for nuthin'.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/17/84954/402?detail=f

[davidwparker]

40. Blitzer doesn't care about critism. His job is to get Hillary the nomination so

that she'll lose.

[CyberPieHole]

43. You have some proof you could share with us? Or is this your "ANALYSIS"?

:eyes:

[davidwparker]

51. That's my analysis. If I had the crystal ball to show Hillary losing, then

I would have used it to show Kerry losing in 2004. Same analysis, which is: Don't pick the strongest candidate. Pick one that even the Democrats can't unite behind and then wonder why the general election is lost. Same as in 2004.

I flip-flop as to whether I would vote for HRC in 2008 if the Democratic party is foolish enough to nominate her. The only good thing that I can say about Hillary 2008 is that it would necessarily mean Dean 2012.

So, there you go and without a crystal ball.

[CyberPieHole]

53. The polls show Clinton leading nationally...

it may be closer in Iowa but nationally she is far ahead...so, if not Hillary then who? I like Kucinich, but he is not being taken seriously and polls show him way down. Although, he is a bright and honest guy, he is failing to get his message across. Edwards and Obama equally divide the party and fewer people favor them at this point in the race. Biden? Possibly, but you really think that the whole country will rally around him? In a perfect world the answer would be: yes. But it's not a perfect world. To win, the candidate has to get his or her message to the people. The people have to respond to it. Clinton is polling highest because she is doing that. No need for crystal balls. Just look at the polls. They reflect the mood. Polls can change and shift, there is still time for Kucinich to take the place of front runner. We shall see if he is up to the task.

[William769]

52. He wasn't the only one that declared her the winner!

:rofl:

[wyldwolf]

59. oh, dear. Did Blitzer defy Koko1?