Did you get the memo? Howard Dean is ABB

[Feanorcurufinwe]

The fight that we began can and must continue. Although my candidacy for president may end today, the most important goal remains defeating George W. Bush in November, and I hope that you will join me in doing everything we can to support the Democrats this fall. From the earliest days of our campaign, I have said that the power to change Washington rests not in my hands, but in yours. Always remember, you have the power to take our country back.
http://www.deanforamerica.com

[ProudToBeLiberal]

1. convenient eh?

I remember you were bashing dean. But now when it's convenient, you quote him to your advantage. LOL

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[slinkerwink]

2. hahaha, yeah-----hood point!

[Feanorcurufinwe]

3. I am not claiming to be anyone other than who I am.

And I'm not pretending I was ever a Dean supporter. I'm just pointing out what Dean has to say on the subject.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

4. of course I'm just pointing out it's political expediency

[Feanorcurufinwe]

5. I'll do what it takes to beat Bush

[ProudToBeLiberal]

6. even voting fraud? Like how diebold is doing?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

8. I said I'd do what it takes -- and cheating won't be needed.

One of the big right wing myths is that the country is 'conservative'. It's not. America is not made up of a bunch of xenophobic bigots. Even many of the people who voted for Bush are horrified at what he's done. And there are a whole lot more people who are proud to be liberal than they want us to believe. Too many of them have bought into the pernicious myth that they can't make a difference through participation in the political process. We can make a difference.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

7. If you can get bush out with your death would you?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

9. Would I die to get Bush out?

I don't know. I may not have that kind of courage.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

10. At least you're truthful. I like that.

[Nimble_Idea]

47. that was pretty acid stuff

would you die for dean to win?

[Cassandra]

11. Dean supporters already know what Dean said on the subject...

we got emails, and we've actually been listening to his speeches.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

13. I'm sure the overwhelming majority don't need to be reminded.

And I figured no one would mind seeing a nice picture.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

14. But but but

Dean was a loser candidate that NO ONE voted for. You think we ought to listen to him now???? Did he become credible over night or what? Gee the tone changes by the second in here. And people wonder why they arent effective in swaying.!

[Feanorcurufinwe]

15. Why are you saying

that Dean isn't able to sway you?

[Eloriel]

49. Nope, not about this -- not me

I adore Howard and would follow him almost anywhere. But he doesn't own my vote.

[John_H]

12. Dean was just an excuse for some one percenters

to say, see? I tried to vote Dem but.....They knew all along dean was a centrisy. They just didn't care. He was a convenient vehicle to create the illusion of party loyalty.

[DemBones DemBones]

16. Are you suggesting that Dean should have

been recruiting for the GOP? Or what? They are really leftist but knew he was centrist & didn't care? If they're really leftist, why didn't they support Kucinich?

What is your hypothesis here?

[polpilot]

19. Many Dean supporters CERTAINLY don't have loyalty to this DLC party.

I'm certainly NOT SUPPORTIVE of the 'illusion' of democratic ideals that the current DLC leadership and pro-war democrats exhibit. Bush fans may embrace their pro-war canidate, many democrats/decent people WON'T vote pro-war.

Dean '04...The Decent Choice

[NNN0LHI]

20. Dean was loyal to the DLC when he was a member though n/t

[WyLoochka]

37. He did not know then, as most of us

didn't know - that the DLC would sell us down the river. That has only become clear over the past three years.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

40. Really?

What changed about the DLC in the last three years?

[WyLoochka]

24. He is the "vehicle"

to take the party back and then the country.

The republicrats appear to have won this round. We Democrats from the Democratic wing will have some influence at the convention, but obviously not enough to take the party back and so goes the country.

The DLCers (the rat part of the republicrat party) are clinging to power by wheeling and dealing away our rights and our futures to the mega corps. They appear to have a lock on the Democratic Party for the time being and will continue to kick the people in the face with their corporatist boots.

It is going to be a longer battle than it might have been. But I'm in it for the haul with Dean. Over the next few election cycles, we are going to send a lot of republicrats, who dishonorably sport a D behind their names, home and replace them with real Democrats across the board.

Dean in '08.

[JVS]

17. Yeah, but he is the worst person in the world after Ralph Nader, so...

should we really be listening to him? :-)

[DeepModem Mom]

18. Thanks for the reminder, Feanorcurufinwe --

Dean understands the stakes in 2004, as he laid them out first.

[maddezmom]

21. Maura Keefe, former Dean adviser on CSPAN now

she just reiterated that Dean will be behind the democratic nominee, and will not run on a third party ticket.

[maxanne]

22. what a treat

to see you saying something "positive" about Dean after the negatives you've presented this last year. And my, how timely - just in time to try to use his words as a bullying mechanism. Shameless.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

28. Bullying?

I posted a nice picture of Howard and Judy and a quote.

I'm sorry if you find it offensive.

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[Eloriel]

51. Okay, so you used a velvet glove to hide the iron fist

Very nice. Kudos for creativity and all that.

[Cuban_Liberal]

23. Somehow, I wouldn't have chosen sarcasm as a vehicle...

That, and sneers, seem a poor method to convince someone to support a proposition you favor. :shrug:

[Feanorcurufinwe]

25. What?

sneers?

:shrug:

[Cuban_Liberal]

30. The verbal one that is the subject line of the post.

That one.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

31. It's in the ear of the beholder I suppose.

hmm, 'ear of the beholder'... oh well, you get the idea

[Cuban_Liberal]

33. Yes, I get the idea.

I would simply have chosen a different tack. :shrug:

[Feanorcurufinwe]

35. Go for it!

Choose a different tack and act.

[IndianaGreen]

26. Votes not transferable!

Many of Dean's supporters were first time political activists, or independents, or Greens, or disenchanted Republicans.

Who is to say where will they go? One thing for certain, they won't rubber stamp Terry McCauliffe's choice in Boston!

For my part, I am for Edwards because he is the only remaining candidate having a chance to stop this country from having to choose between two Skull & Bones presidential candidates in November.

[Walt Starr]

27. Yep, and like my candidate, I'll vote for the Democratic Ham Sandwich too!

[WyLoochka]

29. This is offensive

coming from you Feanor, and thus further alienates rather than assists in the construction of the bridges we desparately need within the Democratic Party in order to oust the pukes across the board. Your many posts have revealed that you are positively clueless as to what Dean is saying here.

Obviously, from the experience we endured through the 90's with the pukes putting Clinton through the shredder, on a daily basis, we are not going to take our country back by just electing a Dem to the Presidency.

Clinton did the best he could but he accomplished virtually nothing that has staying power as, for example, FDR was able to do.

Yes, we thought it was wonderful that surpluses were piling up so that we would be able to meet our future obligations to provide a safety net for retirees for whom things had not turned out very well. The debt was being paid off. There were jobs everywhere, so many jobs that workers, for a couple of years, had a tad bit more leverage and negotiating power with employers. People the world over welcomed Americans.

Virtually none of that was transferred into legislation that would have protected those gains. It all evaporated instantaneously on 12/09/04 when the SCOTUS Scaliatites stopped the counting of the votes.

Dean is talking about a REAL grass roots movement - taking school boards back from the fundies - taking city and county governments back from the local corpo butt kissers who sell out and sell off our communities - taking state legislatures, governors seats and congressional reps and senate seats back from the pukes.

John Kerry just does not get it and never will.

I've already voted for Dean in my AZ primary and will turn my efforts to supporting his movement to root the pubs out everywhere across this land.

I will vote for whomever gets the nomination because I dearly want to avoid the horrors of a BushCo second term, if at all possible. But even if Kerry is nominated and beats Bush* only the worst of the worst policies he instituted will be somewhat modified. The mega corps will still be calling 98% of the shots and there will be no real, permanent change of course, just as there wasn't with Clinton.

The trajectory has marched ever rightward since the pukes rose from the ashes of Goldwater's defeat in 1964. Clinton slowed the pace a little - BushCo has had the pedal to floor since stealing it's way in. Kerry, if elected would be another Clinton. He'll slow the pace - a little - but we will still move further to the right during his term(s).

[Feanorcurufinwe]

34. The truth is,

you'd find anything I said offensive, but all I did was post a nice picture of Howard and Judy and a quote and a link to http://www.deanforamerica.com

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[NNN0LHI]

38. Attacking the messenger when you can't attack the message?

Do you not see anything disingenuous by doing that?

Don

[WyLoochka]

41. Feanor is hardly a messenger

for Dean - we've ALL known that for quite some time.

[mandyky]

32. Howard Dean may be ABB

He also knew some of his supporters weren't transferrable. In my opinion just changing occupants in the WH is not change enough. That said, I will probably hold my nose and vote for the Dem nominee in Nov., but I'll be voting for Dean in the primary.

Hopefully, you and people like you will keep quoting Dean - please aim it at Kerry or Edwards, because they need to stay away from their pink tutus.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

39. Surprising negative reactions from Dean supporters

I thought Dean has said all along that he would get behind the nominee. I don't see a problem at all.

[Scott Lee]

43. Did you get the memo? We are free thinkers

Unlike the Kerry fiefdom, we Deanites retain the right and honor of excersizing our own judgement on who to support in the election. Not even our guy, Dean, tells us how we may vote.

Tell me, is this a foriegn concept to you?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

48. I don't know why you feel threatened by what Dean has to say.

[Eloriel]

52. We don't. Not at all. We respect what he has to say.

We just may not follow it.

What we DO find offensive, is someone who has bashed Dean and Deanies relentlessly, and viciously, suddenly finding something of Dean's to quote -- for his own self-serving purposes (i.e., "Fall in line, do what you're told. Vote ABB.")

I'm a little surprised you can't see this.

Or more likely you can and just don't particularly want to acknowledge it.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

53. I never said you did.

I was speaking to an individual.

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[Padraig18]

45. Yes, he is.

Not all of his supporters are, and never were.

[Scott Lee]

46. Thanks for explaining that one, Padraig.

Us "fuckers" are often way over the heads of our critics.

[ozone_man]

50. That's right.

Alot of Dean supporters are Independents, Greens, Progressives with their own minds. Dean speaks for himself, but has acknowledged that he can't control how his supporters will vote. It's about us, not Dean. He's a messenger, and a darn good one.