This Board Is Hilarious

[DemocratSinceBirth]

I get up this morning, brush and floss my teeth, and sit down at the computer before I head out the door to go to Ballys to work out and see one thousand and one threads crapping on Hillary Clinton, directly or indirectly...It's riotous...I don't know what you think you're accomplishing... You are only making her supporters more firm in their support and much, much, much more caustic in their responses...

This is like impeachment on steroids... The Rethuglicans turned a decent Democratic president into a martyr with their disproportionate and over the top attacks... The same phenomenon is happening with Hillary Clinton, except it's coming from another direction...


Viva Hillary


Carry on...

[BootinUp]

1. I'm just gonna watch and laugh for awhile nt

[MannyGoldstein]

2. Resistance Is (Worse Than) Futile

All your votes are belong to Hillary.

(Except her poll numbers are plummeting in NH and IA. Puzzling evidence.)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. And That Had What To Do With My Thread, Manny?

Did I suggest she was inevitable?

[MannyGoldstein]

7. You're Saying That Resisting HRC Is Only Helping Her To Take Over

Or did I read it wrong?

(NB: Haven't had my coffee yet, so I might be a little off.)

[dsc]

8. He or she is saying that the way she is being resisted is doing more harm than good

and as someone with no horse in this race, I have to heartedly agree. If anyone thinks that quoting the likes of Morris and Novak is helpful in persuading anyone who is liberal to do anything, they are nuts.

[Sparkly]

9. I agree, dsc

I don't have a horse in this race either, and yet I'm constantly defending her because the attacks are so over-the-top ridiculous.

And it's ironic to see DUers parroting the worst rightwingers' tunes. :eyes:

[ruggerson]

32. I'm constantly defending her too

and have been "accused" of being a Hillary supporter.

As if that were worse than being Satan's spawn.

It's like Alice in Wonderland in here sometimes.

[beaconess]

34. Amen!

[Hekate]

65. Sometimes I think we need to start our own support group: "Hi.I'm not for Hillary but I defend her"

"Hi. My name is Hekate. I'm not for Hillary, but I defend her on DU." (hangs head)

:hi:

Hekate

[Sparkly]

72. Ha! All together now: "Hi, Hekate!"

Step One: Admit that we are powerless over the craziness that's posted about her.

[CyberPieHole]

94. Hi Hekate.

I'm not for Hillary but I defend her too. I think she would make a great president but so would Kucinich or Biden. The more I get involved with DU the more I feel a need to defend her here. She seems to be the subject of most of the attacks. I see fewer attacks on O'Reilly and Coulter, Bush, Cheney etc. than on her. It seems rather silly. I thought this was DU. Democratic Underground. ALL the candidates should have a safe haven. I understan criticism needs to be discussed and debated, but criticism differs from attacks. Attacks are spurious and blanket statements. We need to see less of that and more constructive forms of criticism.

*waves hello to Kekate*

[itcfish]

109. Exactly

The Democrats are lucky this time. All of our candidates are good. I would not be upset with any of them. I am a big Hillary supporter because she is my senator, but like I said, if any of the other candidates make it. I will support them too. Biden is the only one I am a little less thrilled about. But hey, I would still support him.

[live love laugh]

89. It is beyond ridiculous--the attacks. I get tired of coming here there are so many. n/t

[MannyGoldstein]

10. (S)he Didn't Mention Morris & Novak

Just the anti-HRC diatribe in general.

FWIW, I think that having the DUers-against-Republicans-pretending-to-be-Democrats support group is quite helpful. It serves as a regular reminder to share HRC's voting record with my friends and family, which has had a powerful effect on their primary choice.

[dsc]

12. Are the threads from anywhere else lately?

Thread after thread from ridiculous sources.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. These Were Yesterday's Sources

Just the facts and without editorial comment:

Dick Morris

Human Events

Bob Novak

Matt Drudge

[jefferson_dem]

15. I won't defend those sources beyond pointing out that...

- One used to work with your candidate in her husband's administration.
- Another has been used as a mouthpiece for leaked information by your candidate, for the purpose of damaging a fellow Democrat.
- A third claims to have also been leaked information by your candidate for the purpose of smearing a fellow Democrat.
- The fourth -- well, it publishes the column penned by the "third" above.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. You're Great At Guilt By Association

I'll just leave it at that...

[jefferson_dem]

21. Insult all you want...

Facts can be troublesome things.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. They Sure Can Be

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3732936

[jefferson_dem]

26. Are you pointing this out as an example of how Obama has also been improperly smeared on DU?

Taylor Marsh is in the tank for Hillary and Peter Daou works for her. What the hell do you expect them to say?

And now...all of the sudden...Andrew Sullivan IS a credible source, when he references "one of Obama's aides"? Please.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. If You Do A Google Search The Chicago Sun Times Is The Original Source

An Obama aide suggested to a member of the press that they show more interest or start investigating Bill Clinton's post-presidential sex life... None of these candidates are "virgins" to this kind of crap but there are two candidates in the race of whom them and their followers wrap themselves in a cloak of self rigteousness...

[dsc]

18. Novak also claims that outing Plame was perfectly fine

Drudge claims lots of things which aren't true (and he is the source of the idea Hillary plants stuff at his website). Morris and Hillary agree on one thing, they have hated each other's guts from day one.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. I Don't Know Why He Hates Hillary

Toesucker pissed off Bill Clinton and Bill Clinton jumped on him, got him on the floor, and started punching him... Hillary had to pull the Big Dawg off...

[CyberPieHole]

56. Morris and Novak are no friends to progressives,

quoting them to support one's argument defeats the purpose.

[Deja Q]

4. Maybe she will maker a good President...

I was listening to something on the radio... of course, I was still half-asleep... and when she doesn't stumble on camera she makes good points.

[jefferson_dem]

5. Your self-righteous sanctimony rings hollow...

Given the steady stream of insidious anti-Obama postings, courtesy of your keyboard.

EDIT: Here are a few of the subject lines now on the frontpage of GD-P. How do they fit into your little theory?

Fact Check: Obama's scummy campaign tactics
Obama aide wants to know when reporters will investigate Bill Clinton's postpresidential sex life.
Rule #1: Never give rightwing smear mongering columnists any credibility whatsoever
Obama's anti-gay South Carolina strategy: "Signs of Desperation?"
Obama campaign tactics
WTF? How could Obama have made such a blooper?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Game...Set... Match...

You have auto search ... I defy you to find all the anti-Obama or anti- any Democrat threads I started... Most of my threads are topics about polls or news article or random musings about my contempt for Rethuglicans... Beside that I defend Hillary Clinton a lot and counter punch when necessary...

[Sparkly]

6. It's absolutely irrational at this point.

She is just not that different from Edwards or Obama or most others. The hysteria is crazy! :crazy:

[Maven]

85. Exactly. The "top three," politically, are different keys of the same tune.

Like others on this thread, I'm not promoting her candidacy yet I find myself defending her from some of the over-the-top, freeperesque smears that show up here day in, day out.

[flvegan]

13. A thousand and one?

Point them out. All 1,001.

In your defense, there are several threads that seek to make her look like a lesser candidate.

None compare to what she's doing herself with the same goal.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. It Was Hyperbole For The Love Of Fuck

Hyperbole is a figure of speech which is an exaggeration. Persons often use expressions such as "I nearly died laughing," "I was hopping mad," and "I tried a thousand times." Such statements are not literally true, but people make them to sound impressive or to emphasize something, such as a feeling, effort, or reaction.

http://volweb.utk.edu/school/bedford/harrisms/hyperbole.htm

[Clintonista2]

60. You're kidding me right?

Jesus christ, my IQ dropped a few points after reading your post.

[LoZoccolo]

16. People didn't believe me when I said that they were pushing me towards Hillary Clinton.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3602849

It's basically a matter of me giving her more attention due to all the spurious attacks.

[Tellurian]

22. And to add...Hillary is NOT running a negative campaign. She is focused on drubbing the Republicans

and changing the political spectrum Republicans have created to one, Of the People, By the People and For the People!

[HughBeaumont]

31. Riiiiigght . . .

. . . the question is, "which people"?

Certainly not the middle class, the poor, American workers or the soldiers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhLBSLLIhUs
Hillary pushes for more h1-b visas and outsourcing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLNOSGM2jK4
Lou Dobbs: Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgdrh2Bc95M
Lou Dobbs: Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 2)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-gareth-porter/does-hillary-support-war-_b_68540.html

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GC01Df03.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/538674.cms
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/593175.cms

[cascadiance]

37. The problem is that the constructive criticism gets lost here at times...

I also do not support Hillary, and feel that her being elected will reinforce the corporatocracy instead of control it, which is SO essential at this time in our nation's history. That being said, I think there's a lot of people that see posts like yours and mine who get as upset as we are with us being "told" that she's our choice they feel the need to lend a voice to the crowd echoing our sentiments. Some provide us additional links to valuable information, and some, perhaps not wanting to or not having the time to do so, respond by amplifying the more personal rhetoric against her.

Unfortunately the latter is what is getting seen more and being latched onto as the "anti-Hillary" posts, which arguably they are in some cases. These posts that aren't constructive serve only to direct the opponents to point to them as being examples of the "unfounded" attacks against her, while the constructive ones are conveniently ignored.

I will continue to speak strongly here on and critique her as a supporter of the corporatocracy and a corporatist, which I believe her to be, but I think it's worth stopping at that point and not just calling her names out of spite or other personal issues that aren't constructive in terms of us seeing her for what she really is. Getting personal is probably not too constructive at this point and only a distraction to what our real concerns about her should be.

Now if those criticize the more constructive criticisms (like what you just posted here) as being "anti-Hillary" zealotry, then I call them for being what many say here, as being just as unfair and trying to shut down debate in what many would call a "Republican way". If those criticizing the non-constructive anti-Hillary posts also acknowledge that there are some posts that criticize her more constructively that perhaps we should all look at more carefully and respond to, then those are the kinds of people I think we can talk back and forth with in a more civilized matter, even if we might have some disagreements here and there.

[HughBeaumont]

77. Oh I'm all about the issues.

I don't need to insult Hillary with anything else. Her less than Democratic positions on the economy and the Middle East are more than enough reason to say "This will be business as usual. America doesn't need 'Business as usual'. We need change." And we will not get that with her.

[Yuugal]

100. Thanks for the links

Gotta luv Lou! So many people are suffering in this country for lack of a decent job and people like Hillary want to give the last few away for a quick campaign buck. Sickening.

[Inspired]

23. This is happening to all of the top 3 candidates.

Hillary isn't the only candidate being smeared in this forum.

Edwards is being smeared on an ongoing basis by rabid Hillary supporters.

Obama is being smeared on an ongoing basis by rabid Hillary supporters.

It really is disgusting.

So, how is this not the pot calling the kettle black?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. See Post Eleven

DSB

[Inspired]

62. I wasn't referring specifically to you.

Sorry....I was speaking in general terms.

[NoPasaran]

27. It seems the problem is not the candidates, but rabies

Maybe some posters need to get shots.

Or be put down. <<-------- Just a joke!

[Inspired]

61. lol...yes that is the problem! nt

[SIMPLYB1980]

99. They are being attacked because they attacked her first.

Also I think its funny you call Hillary supporters "Rabid"
I do belive Obama and Edwards have their own "Rabid" supporters hear to. Remember that.

[Debi]

28. DSB

:hug:

Have a nice workout. :hi:

[TheFarseer]

29. So if I said she's the best candidate

and everyone should vote for her, would that make you less firm in your support? Your argument makes no sense. I point out that she supports outsourcing and I believe she is not genuine in what she says much of the time and point to various things to support this. This makes you want to vote for her more?! So the way to defeat someone is to just leave them alone. I would have never thought of that.

[mtnsnake]

30. Just put 2 and 2 together

I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that the Republican moles have more than infiltrated the board, but they might be on the verge of setting its course. I have met Democrats who don't like Hillary, but I have never met a Democrat in this country who slanders and lies about that woman like what goes on here.

[mrfixit]

33. "impeachment on steroids???"

ya....riiiiiight.

I'm not attacking HRC.

That being said, I'm not voting for her, either.

[Froward69]

35. What responses?

I have yet to engage any hillbot (less you ) willing to actually debate her, or any one else. It would seem that her campaign message to her supporters works. (don't engage with dis-tractors, Hold firm in your support,what you believe about hillary is the truth without question.) So if I pose as a Hillbot then I get them to open up about their beliefs. ( I went to a hillary "leadership conference") for the most part they are whoa fully misinformed.

[babylonsister]

36. And you're hilarious for seeming so holier-than-thou when you are

part of the reason people feel compelled to push back. Poor, poor, Hillary. :eyes:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. See Post Eleven And Post Twenty Five

I don't start fights... I don't start negative threads... I treat everybody with respect but I subscribe to Brother Malcom's admonition:

"Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery. "



on edit- I lean more to a figurative interpetation of Brother Malcom's admonition

[mmonk]

38. Likewise

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. I Don't Understand Your Response

Can you please elaborate?

[mmonk]

52. There have been threads by Hillary supporters

that have attacked Kucinich for being "elven" which they picked up from rightwing websites (you can't get more unsubstantive in attacking another candidate that that). It goes both ways.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. That Was Silly

Dennis is very popular here... It's not for me to piss in his supporters punch...

[mmonk]

68. I agree and I usually don't start anti Hillary threads

as I had rather start threads about positives about candidates I like. I do come to candidates' defense at times and that's where any negatives from me show up.

[Sparkly]

73. "Elven" is just a misspelling for "eleven."

Tell them you agree that on a scale of one to ten, he's "elven."

("Elfin" is probably what they meant, but in most fairy tales, the elves do good things!)

[mmonk]

75. Sure its not elfen?

Elfin sounds like they are doing something.

[Maven]

86. And that's even more contemptible. nt

[Boojatta]

39. Do you mean "Hillaryous"?

[William769]

41. When I need some comic relief, I come to DU.

I wonder sometimes if people actually red what they wrote before they post it.

I use to feel sorry for these people, but their fixation on Hillary is, well Psychotic.

[tom_paine]

49. Speaking as someone who will vote for Sen. Clinton if she is the nominee

let me say your comment is oversimplified and largely untrue.

Much of the vitriolic anger towards Hillary is, in my observation, three-fold:

1) That Sen. Clinton more and more seems to be adopting Bushie Propaganda tactics for her own. Planting questions, Mark Penn in his long history as Bushie-Liar-for-Hire, ejecting disloyalist from rallies, and more. Many of us find this incredibly disturbing and a recipe for hopelessness. Our hope was not that Sen. Clinton could out-Bush the Bushies, but that she or any Democratic candidate could find a way to restore Old America's soul and Constitutional System of Checks and Balances WITHOUT becoming like those who are trying to destroy the nation we love.

2) That it seems to many that the toadying MSM has "chosen" Sen. Clinton for us, by skewing their coverage and doing their ususal blackout-with-small-exceptioons-to-give-plausible-deniability of the other candidates.

Anyone who has observed the deterioration of the MSM from Free Press that was envied by the world to Toatlitarian Mouthpiece that couldn't investigate a grade-school extrotion ring, let alone some of the greatest State Crminals the world has ever seen (not the most brutal, though...lucky us)

3) The idea that, with the very sould of America and it's freedom at stake, people are now becoming frantic that Sen. Clinton will lack the political will and perhaps even the desire to takethe decisive actions needed to restore the Old Republic. As there may only be a small windown between Royal Bushie Emperors, we cannot afford to waste four or eight-years on more triagnulational dithering, which in this day and age means complete capitulation to Bushie Will, and a strong desire to close one's eyes an ears to the moutnains of Bushie Felonies performed shamelessly and openly.

This is what Bill Clinton did in 1993, as he had Congress drop all Iran-Contra and Iraqgate investigations "for the good of the country, so we could heal and re-united".

How'd that work out? Oh, about as well as it always works out when bargaining with totalitariuan monsters.

"I changed the deal, pray I don't change it any further."



Eevn fictional totalitarian Bushie-like monsters.

And trust me, NO ONE wants you feeling sorry for them because of their choice of candidate. Of course, that was just a bullshit flame for insulting purposes only, wasn't it, so why did I bother addressing it as if it was an actual point? :silly:

[tom_paine]

44. Whatever, guy.

Since this is all Kabuki Theatre anyway, I shall wait patiently for the big Clinton - 9/11ani square-off.

Already been pre-selected, though please do not interpret this as a declaration that I am not going to cast my worthless vote. Actually, scratch that. As a property-owining White man in a Bushie-leaning area I stringly suspect my vote will actually be counted. It's just all of the other Black and Brown votes which will be suppressed and spoiled will be the ones which will negate my vote into worthlessness, and not person one (in power, that is) has any inclination to put a stop to it nor investigate it.

having said that, and now seeing the degree to which Sen. Clinton's team had adopted the Bushie Might Wurlitzer Strategy (I call it the Puny Wurlitzer because it is not only dwarfed by the Bushie version, but it fears to take the REAL Mighty Wurlitzer on in any significant way, this I believe from watching for seven long tyrannical years the New Paradigms), I feel even more certain that she will win.

Why? Because lies, deception, and engineering false realities WORKS. IT ALWAYS WORKS, at least for awhile.

Hitler, Stalin, Pinochet, Bush, and now...Sen. Clinton. This is not to say I think she is evil or even terribly similar to the Bushies (they both love their money and their top 0.01% donors, though), and I will vote for her in '08 if she is the nominee.

But she is the worst Democratic candidate by far to tackle the REAL constitutional problem we now have, because I happen to believe she is largely OK with it. Oh sure, we iwll get a rest between Royal Bushies. Kind of like the Romans got the decent Emperor Claudius between Nero and Caligula (George W. and Jeb? George W. and George P? Who knows? Details are impossible to predict in advance.)

And because the system has broken down, perhaps beyond repair on so many levels, judicial, media and political only being the prominent three of many, I feel safe in saying these things.

It turns out that psychology, marketing, PR and advertising have given our rulers the tools of control that make Hitler's seem like the efforts of grade-schoolers. Ham-fisted. The Bushies are showing us the "kinder and gentler way" to achieve a similar transition.

A way that doesn't spook the peasants.

My point is, and I am not advocating that any candidate's supporters should give up, because I may be wrong, that it's all kabuki theater, a lying vaudeville show designed to keep us from throwing tomatoes at the stage (well, that and all those black-clad OHS Guards rummaging through all our private things anytime they want to, electronically or physically, if they wish to go to the trouble).

So we might as well get used to it, sadly. Sen. Clinton vs. 9/11ani and I think 9/11ani has been preselected by the Bushies to hold their throne for them.

But maybe, if we are lucky, the Bushies have decided to give us a break from the vamiprism, and let our blood get all juicy and sweet again for Jeb and George P. to suck out later.

Then we get Empress Hillary, who won't have to worry about a "small plane crash" because it's only the REAL enemies of the Bushies, like Wellstone.

Since Hillary, like her husband (and he was a fine president overall, don't get me wrong), has no interest in investigating Bushie crimes nor disrupting the Corproate BushPutinist State in any meaningful way, she will be safe from "accidents".

Go ahead now, flame away. I already said I wasn't advocating giving up, I just call reality as I see it, and now after the fourth go-'round of the Phony Elections of the New Totalitarianism that mean nothing, change nothing significant, I grow weary of denying reality out of my own desperate need for hope. This is something that has evolved over may years, perhaps deacades, and will not go away easily if at all.

Wanna know why 9/11ani is still leading and will win handily even though most Bushies disagree with him on most everything? (even though he is doing his Bushie best to show them that he will obey the orders of the Imperial Family, which is all they care about anyway)

Because he's supposed to. Just as Sen. Clinton is supposed to. Watch.

[hijinx87]

45. what a dramatic post!

I need a nap.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. Your Criticism Is Fair

Not that's it up to me to determine what criticism is unfair or fair but I was referring to the over the top attacks here that amount to little more than character assasination...

I think we also would disagree how much change would occur under any Democratic president... IMHO , the system is what it is and whatever changes are made are made at the margins...

[Maven]

87. 9/11ani

:rofl:

I like that.

[opihimoimoi]

92. You tell um Tom....you ROCK

:yourock:

[CyberPieHole]

46. Amen to that!

:kick: recommend

[MadHound]

48. And this is coming from a candidate's supporters

Who have demanded loyalty oaths, insulted supporters of other candidates, and openly called for purges from this board of anybody who doesn't support their candidate.

Your protests ring hollow.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. Again -See Post Eleven And Twenty Five

Use Auto-Search and see how many negative threads I have started...I'll make it easier...Just peruse the first four of five pages... I'm a counter puncher...

[MadHound]

59. Please note, I didn't specify you, I specified Hillary's supporters, plural.

If you really want me to dig out some examples for you, fine, but I think that you are perfectly capable of using the search function yourself and I really don't have the time nor inclination to go slogging through the muck.

[Forkboy]

53. Yup...this place is hilarious indeed.

Funny how the OP manages to miss those things even though he's here almost every day.Looks like even those who don't like selective outrage are selective in their outrage. x(

As for Hillary's supporters becoming even more caustic...that would be impossible.If you subtract the few cool ones you're left with the ugliest bunch of supporters to come down the pike in many an election...and I was here in '04 when it was pretty ugly on all sides.Hell, I made the mistake last night of trying to have a good faith conversation with one and it went nowhere because he's incapable of even the slightest bit of intellectual honesty.

Not saying the other supporters are angels, mind you. Each candidate seems to have their share of ugly ones, but they are overwhelming in the Hillary camp.They stand for winning and not much else, and they don't care who they shit on on their way to the top.

I'd love to see the left and center find a way to come together, and I believe the fault lies on both sides of that equation, but it seems impossible that it will ever happen with that crowd.They'd rather cozy up to Repubs who share their values out of convenience instead of those who share them honestly and with passion.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. "If you subtract the few cool ones "

I hope I am one of the cool ones!

[Forkboy]

57. Yes, I think you are. I've seen you be fair to all groups.

And I think there are many more silent ones lurking who are also probably very cool and honest people.I know the one Hillary supporter I know personally is mega cool.Most everyday supporters of all the candidates are good people who I would be glad to know and speak to, but the active ones seem to let the desire for victory blind them to common decency and honesty.Suddenly any tactic is ok, as long as it's for the person they support.And many of those same people are the biggest complainers when it's done back to them.The win at all costs mentality is corrosive, and ultimately an empty vessel.

I wish I could name the cool ones because I think it would surprise a few that I feel that way about them, but that would be in effect calling out the non-cool ones by omission. :)

[tom_paine]

111. Damned right you are one of 'em, DSB!

You are one of the many DUers I am very proud to share this board with, even when we disagree.

:toast:

Much respect, sir.

[Honeycombe8]

50. Depends on your viewpoint, I guess. As a non-supporter of a particular candidate...

until the last debate, I saw vitriolic posts from Clinton supporters AND other supporters (the worst probably being Kucinich supporters).

So I think it depends on your viewpoint.

During the last debate, I decided to support Obama and Biden, both. (I'm hoping that whoever win the nomination will pledge to name Biden Sec of State. No pt. in naming him VP, if it's Clinton, since Bill will no doubt operate as VP.)

[Catherine Vincent]

55. Last night I thought the same thing.

All this whining about Hillary. I busted one of them and counted over 40 threads started by this poster and I'm betting most of them were about Hillary.

How long will these poeple whine about Hillary and the last debate?

They are hilarious!

[William769]

58. 40 threads by one poster about Hillary?

That narrows it down to about 100! :rofl:

[themaguffin]

64. You have me laughing now with this bullshit topic

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. Funny How,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_ff46b58Hk

Warning-graphic

[hayu_lol]

67. A good thread, maybe even a great one...

Hillary detractors fail to observe the lady in action when under stress and attack from her fellow candidates. She sjpws poise and panache and almost always stays on topic when the others are floundering around for some sort of answer.

She can stand her ground and (wonder of wonders)appears to be a fighter judging by her responses.

If one views all our candidates objectively, one finds that she, overall, is able to control the others. She even, gasp, takes on the biased pundits and beats them at their own game. She is the only candidate to take the Rovian playbook and direct it back at the Pugs.

Far too many of our party still believe that this is a football game. Yeah team and all that crock.

I'll say it again, this is a good thread and the OP is right on target.

[themaguffin]

74. It's an amusing strawman. You can insert any of the top 3.

[robbedvoter]

69. Not a supporter, but I see your point. I need to defend her at times here

as some of the attacks are indeed outrageous

[Perry Logan]

70. The Hillary-bashers must be smart enough to see their words are counterproductive...

...and yet they can't seem to stop themselves. It's clearly compulsive behavior.

[Prophet 451]

71. Y'know, I see more complaints here about Hillary "bashing"...

...than I do threads actually bashing her in the first place. Perhaps it's just my impression but I'm starting to believe the complaints of "unfair" are wildly out of proportion to teh actual offence.

I'm also starting to get irritated that a lot of Hillary supporters seem to be using the fundie mentality that if you're not supporting Hillary as the "heir apparent", you must be attacking her.

[Bicoastal]

79. You must not be looking very hard then.

The other day someone posted a bunch of random internet photos of W with Hillary's head cropped in the frame, plus a few pictures of Bush I and Bill playing golf together (from charity tournaments benefiting the victims of the 2004 Tsunami). That was it--plus a title with something leading like "They're in Cahoots."

That post made it almost all the way to the top of the "Greatest Page," and the vitriol against the Clintons in the comments was frankly astounding.

I'm NOT a Hillary supporter, but I had to jump in and defend the Clintons for their ludicrous crime of being captured in photographs with people we don't like--I felt it was the sort of tactics Freepers would use. I posted pictures of Bush giving Gore a hug, Bush shaking hands with Kucinich, and for good measure, a old black and white of FDR sharing a private joke with Josef Stalin, to no avail.

The whole thing was just stupid and mean-spirited all the way, and if it had been any other candidate, it would have been deleted.

[Prophet 451]

108. Perhaps not

I'll be the first to admit that opinion is based purely on personal observation with the limits and biases inherant in that.

[ihelpu2see]

76. I guess if the corpratocracy wants her, I want her too!?! aaackkk! If you want

a Dem to win in Nov. 08 Hillary can not be our nominee. I would vote for her. But no Indi will and no moderate republican will here in CT ( a very Blue state)....

[motocicleta]

78. Yawn.

Wow, it sounds really hard for you.

:nopity:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

81. Your Emoticon Really Broke My Heart , Peanut

Come here and kiss daddy and make him feel better...

[Mythsaje]

80. I ALWAYS try to criticize based on the issues, or how I see things going...

And, yes, I do reserve most of my criticism in this area for Clinton. As I've said a hundred times, I see her as the "status quo" candidate, who will make no real effort to counter the corporatist power-grabbing that's slowly dissolving our solvency on the global market--that rewards multi-nationals for using America as a product-dump and a marketplace, but chewing up the middle class that makes up most of their market share as if it doesn't matter if they exist or not. The ones who are either killing the golden goose, or are anticipating a bigger, better goose to incarnate to take its place.

The Class War is the BIGGEST thing we have to deal with in the here and now. You know, the one where THEY declared it, fired the first shot, and are presently KICKING OUR ASSES in?

Clinton has NO position on this Class War, unless it's the WRONG position. Pro-NAFTA, Pro-outsourcing, unable to tell the difference between lobbyists for Big Oil and lobbyists for the Sierra club. "Lobbyists represent real Americans."

Yeah, well...some do. And some represent UNREAL Americans--multi-national mega-corporations that are willing and able to throw BILLIONS of dollars into the political process to influence the system.

That said, I have to admit that I don't think she'd appoint freaks to the Supreme Court, Courts of Appeal, or Federal Circuit Courts. THAT'S the only thing she has going for her, in my opinion. Oh, and the fact she's also unlikely to appoint complete incompetents to such important posts as Head of FEMA and the like.

In fact, that's how a LOT of us see things. All the screeching in the world isn't going to change the fact that NO Hillary supporter can sincerely counter these charges. The Class War is no issue for her, and she will do nothing to protect the average American from our insidious enemy.

I don't like her positions on the issues that involve the Class War. I'm not crazy about her IWR vote, but I can see how someone might make that mistake. Edwards did. But he acknowledges that it WAS a mistake. But Hillary hasn't. And it certainly didn't stop her from voting the same way on a similar bill regarding Iran.

I won't stoop to calling her names, or relying on RW talking points. My issues with her have NOTHING to do with their criticisms of them. Anyone who DOES rely on such things simply isn't paying close enough attention or is just too damn lazy to address the REAL issues with her candidacy.

[McCamy Taylor]

82. Politics at DU is a joke. It is all 1. Hillary is a warmonger. 2. Obama is unelectable

3. Edwards is the real Democrat. 4. No, Kucinich is the real Democrat. 5. What about Biden?

Over and over again like we got caught in a Samuel Becket play.

[sampsonblk]

95. Six months ago we talked about issues

Now its all candidate-hating. Very unfortunate, I agree.

[rufus dog]

83. God knows the Hillary supporters on the DU are Saints...

and never start negative threads! I can think of quite a few that are friggin instigators in every post and others who are a step behind.

[Maven]

84. I have to say I find it sad that if Clinton does get the nom

DU archives will serve as a veritable repository of dirt for Republicans to use against her campaign.

[McCamy Taylor]

88. Who needs DU? Archives of Edwards, Kucinich and Obama calling her worse than W.

can be broadcast on TV. I am an Edwards supporter, but the man is losing it. I think it has something to do with the fact that the MSM is finally giving him coverage now that he is on his "HIllary is a war monger" tour of the US. But there is some publicity that is not worth having. He is shooting himself in the foot. People like the nice Edwards. Not the name calling Edwards.

[McCamy Taylor]

90. Bob Novak is now more credible than Hillary at DU! This is beyond hillarious.

I think we have entered the Twilight Zone.

Can I cry?

:cry:

[Byronic]

91. Tis the season

I sympathise but I'm sure the DU of 1987 and the DU of 1991 would have been exactly the same.

Grrrr....drat those vicious Tsongas-bots!

:mad:

[McCamy Taylor]

93. I could design a test that would ferret out Freepers. Questions that

they answer in their own unique Freeper fashion. That would cut down the insanity by 60%.

[LanternWaste]

96. It's a self fulfilling prophecy...

It's a self fulfilling prophecy...

The attacks and criticisms are free advertisement.
All advertising is good advertising.
Good advertising plays a role in projecting her to the lead.
Her role in the lead results in even more attacks and criticisms.
The attacks and criticisms are free advertisement...

I know more about her positions than any of the other candidates-- not because I've researched them, but because she's the object du jour of both the moderates and the extremes, focusing more and more of the conversations and posts on her.

[stillrockin]

97. Your signature line says it all.

:thumbsdown:

[SIMPLYB1980]

98. The Hillary hatters as they post on DU.

[mrfixit]

101. I think a lot of DU'ers dislike her because:

1. She is already bought and paid for already by large corporate interests (Insurance/Banks/Pharma/AIPAC/Media, etc).

2. The MSM seems to have already anointed her. Most DEMOCRATS dislike being TOLD who to vote for.

3. Taking her voting record into consideration, she doesn't really seem all that smart. She's got A LOT of smart handlers, though...just like DimSon.

4. Any of the other candidates more accurately represent values of the Democratic Party, not just the DLC.

5. Fear/Jealousy/Envy/Sexism - take your pick.



If she gets the Democratic nomination, I'm just not voting, period. She's UNTRUSTWORTHY.

[SIMPLYB1980]

103. Good don't vote.

#1 BS don't just state it. Prove it.
#2 BS I see plenty of people in the MSM who say that Clinton will not win.
#3 BS Her voting record proves she is a Democrat
#4 BS That is just a flat lie.
#5 BS The last resort of someone with no real facts to debate with.

[mrfixit]

104. Look it up yourself , lazybones. Here's a clue:

Check her voting record (if you have the courage). Pay special attention to House Appropriations bills. Look at line items she did NOT VOTE, too...

http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=55463

She is in the Senate ONLY because she is the wife of William Jefferson Clinton.

She is in the nomination race ONLY because she is the wife of William Jefferson Clinton.

She is merely a sick joke played on Democrats by a corrupt and corporately compliant DLC.

If you and the rest of the Hilbots cannot see this, you've learnt ABSOLUTELY nothing from the past 6 years of misery. More power to you. I refuse to help.

[SIMPLYB1980]

105. I know her voting record. Nothing wrong with it.

Her votes bear out that she is a liberal.

"She is in the Senate ONLY because she is the wife of William Jefferson Clinton." More BS.
I think the people who voted for her might see it different.

"She is in the nomination race ONLY because she is the wife of William Jefferson Clinton." More BS.
See Previous.

"She is merely a sick joke played on Democrats by a corrupt and corporately compliant DLC." Even more BS.
I'm up to my neck in it.

"If you and the rest of the Hilbots cannot see this, you've learnt ABSOLUTELY nothing from the past 6 years of misery. More power to you. I refuse to help."
I don't need your damn help when all you offer are lies, insults, and total B.S.

[mrfixit]

106. Like I said. More power to you.

If she get's the nod, I'm out. I'm not joking, and neither are a lot of others. I'll resign and register as an Independent before I EVER vote for her.

I've seen enough Repiglican garbage over the past six years - I don't think I could bear watching another corporate robo-President (and a Dem, at that!) make it happen all over again...

[SIMPLYB1980]

107. BYE BYE!

:hi:

[yardwork]

102. By the time the primaries are over, if Hillary is the nominee, we've already smeared her.

I think that the OP's point is that Democrats are doing the Republicans' work for them.

I'm all for having a rough and tumble primary season to select the best candidates. But some of these attacks on Democrats are ridiculous. Criticize the candidates for their policies, not their hairstyles or choice of lapel pin. Some of this is downright stupid.

[DFW]

110. I'm undecided with other leanings

But I definitely see what you're talking about.