Ever see anyone called a Biden hater, Edwards hater, Kucinich hater?.Many are called Hillary haters

[xiamiam]

especially here on DU..where this one candidate has been more polarizing than any other issue...just asking some of you who call us Hillary haters why there are so many of us that we've earned a label that is itself divisive?

I dont see any other candidate creating animosity between people who are basically on the same page..even here..makes one wonder how good this can possibly be for us..

[obnoxiousdrunk]

1. That is because

Hillary is ahead.

[polichick]

2. Hopefully, you can see the difference between posters who...

...disagree with a candidate on the issues and those who denigrate the person herself/himself.

Those who disagree with Biden, etc. usually don't attack the person, but his positions.

[wyldwolf]

3. if people want to disagree and discuss policy differences, fine. But...

..when the line of attack is "she's polarizing," "she cackles," "she isn't a real leader," blah blah blah, it does take on a moronic school yard flavor. I call it "hate."

[William769]

11. I'll go one better, it's stupid, and it looks worse on the person posting it than it does the

candidate.

[xiamiam]

17. moronic?..stupid?? is that really necessary?..nt

[William769]

23. Yes, somtimes people don't realize what they actually sould like unless it's pointed out.

[xiamiam]

26. right back at ya...lol..thanks for making my point...nt

[William769]

27. All I can say to your respose is, see post #23.

:rofl:

[mod mom]

19. I get attacked w name calling even when I raise the issue of free trade, Kyl Lieberman,

corporatism etc.

Here's a recent example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3726424&mesg_id=3726566

[wyldwolf]

29. you ended your OP with a completely unsubstantiated charge which had nothing to do...

... with any issue like free trade, Kyl Lieberman, and that vague "progressive"* boogeyman "corporatism." That's why you were called "delusional."

THE MASTER OF ILL WILL AND PROPAGANDA IS STILL HOPING CLINTON WINS TO BRING OUT THE GOP BASE. HE MUST BE WORRIED ABOUT OBAMA & EDWARDS FIGHTING BACK AT HILLARY'S POLICIES.

There is NOTHING in that statement that resembles fact.

[Warpy]

24. Saying she's polarizing and questioning her leadership skills

are legitimate subjects for discussion.

Saying she has fat ankles, or she cackles, or her pantsuits are dowdy, or speculating negatively about the First Man are schoolyard level.

Get the difference?

[wyldwolf]

28. not if they're not backed with anything substantial

I could claim your green car is blue all day long but without any shred of supportive evidence, it's merely bullshit.

She's not a leader? WHY isn't she a leader? What specifically has she done or not done to make one claim that? And is it different than what others have done or not done that you may or may not believe is a better leader?

See the difference?

[ihavenobias]

4. Which candidate

To add to your point, which candidate is consistently ranked # 1 in the polls (!) for highest *unfavorability* rating?

Yes, that was rhetorical.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/7/184917/372

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

6. I wonder, however,

how much of that is because of name recognition. I'm thinking a lot of folks are looking back at the Bill Clinton years with nostalgia and deciding that having an affair wasn't all that bad since it didn't mess with the economy, civil liberties, or our standing in the world.

Do you think there is a bit of a coattail effect?

[Windy]

7. Keep it coming Jenk....

I'm pretty sure you are Ihavenobias....

Yes, Hillary is polarizing. That is a fact and its not Hillary Hatred.

Hillary supporters on DU have no room for dissent or discussion of the issues. If you aren't squarely in Hillary's corner, you don't deserve to have a voice in the minds of there supporters here. It makes DU a very uncomfortable place to be.

[ihavenobias]

10. Actually no!

I'm not Cenk OR "Jenk" (it's ok).

But I did meet him after the YearlyKos convention and he's a great guy and I love his show.

Thanks for the compliment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/wheres-the-leadership_b_59375.html

[aquart]

12. What a load of crap.

Seriously. And so lowering to think that you actually believe it.

[ihavenobias]

21. Well

Do you disagree that many/most conservatives generally think Hillary is the most left wing candidate which is ironic considering many/most progressives think she is the most right wing candidate(relatively speaking, *obviously* she's not right wing compared to Rudy, etc.)?

I'm not talking about independents/moderates (whatever you want to call them).

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. I'm from Arkansas

and though I moved here at the end of the Clinton governorship, my friends and neighbors have lived here longer. Now, I'm not a Mrs. Clinton hater, but I know a lot of Arkansans who don't like her for what she did and how she acted while living in this state.

[aquart]

14. I'll bet you don't know one person who liked her.

Yet, I see no facts, not even a charming anecdote.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

18. Ther is a chance

that she will carry Arkansas.

[Rageneau]

30. I live here, too, and DID throughout Clinton's terms...

And, yes there is Hillary hatred here -- but it comes in the same proportions and same guises, is predicated by the same vague 'reasons', and radiates from the same kind of people who hate her in other states.

Arkansas will go blue next election -- regardless who our candidate is.

I know several good liberal women who dislike Hillary. I just don't know any who can tell me precisely WHY.

[xiamiam]

33. instinct..i feel i fit into that category..and while its not a good enough reason for some.it guides

every move i make..with or without anything logical to back it up...there are reasons which anyone can lay out on either side..for or against..but it is instinct in my case..and i bet a lot of others as well..

[ellisonz]

34. Here you go:

Hillary Clinton: No regret on Iraq vote
'How could they have been so poorly prepared for the aftermath?'

Wednesday, April 21, 2004 Posted: 10:10 AM EDT (1410 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said she is not sorry she voted for a resolution authorizing President Bush to take military action in Iraq despite the recent problems there but she does regret "the way the president used the authority."

"How could they have been so poorly prepared for the aftermath of the toppling of Saddam Hussein?" the New York Democrat asked Tuesday night on CNN's "Larry King Live."

"I don't understand how they had such an unrealistic view of what was going to happen."

-----

"Obviously, I've thought about that a lot in the months since," she said. "No, I don't regret giving the president authority because at the time it was in the context of weapons of mass destruction, grave threats to the United States, and clearly, Saddam Hussein had been a real problem for the international community for more than a decade."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/21/iraq.hillary/

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

35. Well, from what I've heard

and experienced in a small way, she was rude to people. Rudeness rubs me the wrong way. If you can't make a meeting, you have an aide call and apologize. You send a form answer to a letter, you don't ignore letters sent to you about a project in which you've asked for the public's input.

[jonnyblitz]

8. anybody who can't see there is a visceral hatred for HIllary at

DU has to be competely BLIND or willfully ignorant. nobody gets piled on or even comes CLOSE to getting crap like Hillary or her supporters do here at DU. I used to be a "Hillary hater" until I saw how batshit crazy the anti-Hillary crowd was becoming.

[AtomicKitten]

9. There's a whole lot of hate flung around these boards towards the candidates.

Unfortunately it is also human nature to find the hate one spews perfectly justifiable and reasonable, and that spewed against one's candidate of choice egregious and outrageous.

And so it goes with zero insight into that very human behavior.

[truedelphi]

13. I hate Hillary's positions. I am totally willing to LOVE her positions

If she becomes progressive.

I was even willing to forgive her the IWR, but then she voted for the Iran bill.

It's up to her whether I love her positions or not.

And I found it upsetting to hear about the cackle, the Cat named Sock's non-incident etc.
And was willing to defend her on thsoe screwball charges.

[Bucky]

15. What a hateful, hate-filled, hatefest of a hate statement from a hate-monger this is.

You're a hater. Accept it.

[AngryAmish]

16. I hate Biden's hair.

[Hieronymus]

22. Me too ..

[provis99]

38. give Biden a break! He obviously cuts his own hair

No $400 haircuts for him.

[Generator]

20. You mean Edwards eschewers, Biden blow offs, Kucinich killers

and you left off-Obama obstructionists-but no it's only Hillary haters on DU.

Must be because she's a chick. She needs defending.

[Lerkfish]

25. Parlockian

don't ask me to explain.

:)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. No-Because The Attacks On Hillary Morph Into Attacks On Her Supporters

DSB

[Lerkfish]

36. actually I most often see more of a different dynamic

1. person criticizes HRC
2. HRC supporter takes it as a personal slam against themselves
3. HRC supporter personally attacks HRC critic
4. HRC critic responds to personal attack


I think your perception of "attacks on Hillary Morph into attacks on her supporters" is step #2

IMHO

[Beaverhausen]

32. Just because I don't support her doesn't mean I hate her

Her supporters here, well some of them are pretty obnoxious. But I don't hate. I'm sure I'm called a hater though.

edit for a bad typo! shouldn't post and eat lunch at the same time.

[ginchinchili]

37. If it's that divisive here, imagine what it would be like in a general election.

Hillary Clinton would be a big, unnecessary gamble. We can't afford to gamble with this election. It's too important.

[Rowdyboy]

39. The freaks that hate Hillary will hate ANYONE we nominate....You can't make them happy

so why care what the fuck they think? Vote Democratic or get the hell out of the way.

[asdjrocky]

40. The most attack threads I've seen by far are on Edwards.

And usually it seems to come from one or two of the Hill-Nippers. That's just what my eyes have told me so far. But I am pretty new.

[Donnachaidh]

41. you're very observant

But you also have to realize -- the Hillbots are deeply afraid of John Edwards. Just watch the cascading negative posts by some of their group virtually every night. And the vast majority of it is crap from years ago. I'm sure they'd even start caterwauling over the *hair* issue AGAIN - if people hadn't literally start pointing and laughing at them the last time they tried it.

[cali]

42. you ruin your argument in the first few words. Pity.

your post is simply small minded and mean spirited. If you wanted to actually say something, all you had to do is write "Hillary supporters" instead of the demeaning and denigratory "Hillbots". Because you actually have a point buried beneath the slime- that some of Hillary's supporters here DO go after Edwards in the same manner that they complain that others go after Hillary Clinton. One more note: I think the meme of "afraid" is vastly overused. All criticism of a candidate does not come down to the criticizer being "afraid".

[Adelante]

43. Biden, no - Kucinich, no

But people who criticize Edwards on his actions and record are called "Edwards haters" all the time and always have been.

[Catherine Vincent]

44. You're a hater.

Stop making excuses.:)

[Donald Ian Rankin]

45. Lots of DUers hate Hillary, relatively few hate Biden, Edwards of Kucinich

That's why you see the first term more often than the others.

I am *not* saying that they are necessarily wrong to hate her, or that any criticism of her coming from such a person is invalid.

But I do think that that hatred clearly exists, is not matched by feelings towards any other candidate (Obama is probably the next most hated, post-McClurkin, but there's no real competition) and should be recognised.