After that Pryor appointment-I DARE YOU TO TELL ME WHY I SHOULDN'T BE ABB

[LynneSin]

You want me to vote for 3rd party, you think I should hold out for total reform of the democratic party instead of voting for someone who is pretty decent on 75-80% of the issues I believe in - well screw you if you think that!!!

I WILL NOT SACRIFICE THE CHOICE OF WOMEN IN ORDER TO APPEASE SOME GROUP INTO VOTING FOR DEMOCRATIC PRIORITY.

Thanks, we have William Pryor on an Appeals bench. If we let Bush win because of some assinine principle I'm suppose to follow blindly, I hope those of you who think ABB is stupid can live with what you've done.

RoeVWade was passed over 30 years ago and the rightwing nut jobs have yet to get the power to overturn it. You better believe it'll be toast if Bush gets another 4 years and he'll just appoint the judges and place them on the bench dispite the misgivings of the majority of the people in america.

ABB all the way, absolutely 110% for this gal. I could not live with myself if I voted in anyway to allow that asshole to serve another 4 years in the White House. America can not survive with another 4 years!!!

[spooky3]

1. every day when I think * can't do anything worse than the day before

he proves me wrong.

ABB for me.

[lovedems]

2. Good God, that is the truth isn't it!

They stoop to new lows. As usual this huge news was thrown out in the Friday garbage hoping nobody would pay attention.

These assholes are out to destroy what's left of our country.

FUCK THEM!

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[AmyStrange]

3. Nothing wrong with being ABB...

you got to vote your conscience, but if Kerry is the ABB in Nov, you'll be outnumbered by those who will actually vote for Bush.

You'll see I'm right in November,



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[Pale Blue Dot]

7. Wanna place a wager on that?

I'm serious. I think you're wrong. Bush is going to lose, and I'll put money on it.

What's your bet?

On edit: Here's my bet. If Bush loses, you give $50 to the liberal charity of my choice. If Bush wins, I give $50 to the lberal charity of your choice. Deal?

[AmyStrange]

13. I can't bet my friend...

I have a gambling problem.

But, if he picks Edwards to VP - that's his only chance, but it will still be close...







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[Pale Blue Dot]

14. Sorry. Didn't mean to open any wounds.

I still honestly believe that you're wrong though.

[AmyStrange]

22. No prob...

I honestly hope I am, but we shall know for sure in NOV.

There is nothing specific I can point to. It's just a feeling I get from all my sources. One of which is 9 hours of NPR a day and a million other things just tell me Kerry's gonna lose... unless he picks Edwards as his VP and that's the only scenario I see working.

We shall see in November,





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[MurikanDemocrat]

9. Then we'd lose no matter who the nominee is, because he's getting

the MOST votes.

I suppose your presumtion is that some candidate that hasn't won a single primary is the only one who could beat Bush. :eyes:

Not your best argument.

[AmyStrange]

18. We shall see in Nov...

that's the only real certainty and the best arguement all around,


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[MurikanDemocrat]

27. Not exactly

If, by some chance, Kerry were to lose in November, assuming he will be the nominee, there is no way you can prove that another candidate would have done any better. In fact, we have a pretty good indication that the ones who have dropped out surely wouldn't win, because they can't even win a primary state with mostly Democrats voting.

[AmyStrange]

29. you have a point...

but in response, there is no way you can prove another candidate couldn't have done better.

You do make a good point about winning the primary states, but what was interesting was that even though Dean had the most delegates until after SC, Kerry was called the frontrunner by almost all the major News Outlets.

Dean still has more delegates (right now) than Edwards... and everyone is calling this a two man race?

Am I bitter?

No way. My overall feeling (from all my sources) is that
Kerry will lose unless he picks Edwards as his running mate, it'll still be close even with Edwards as VP.

We will see in November... that's my best arguement

[kiahzero]

45. Dean had the most delegates because of party insiders

Doesn't that just cause some cognitive dissonance?

Almost all of Dean's delegates were unpledged "superdelegates" - party elites who get to pick who they want to vote for at the convention. Before WI, over half of his delegates were superdelegates... that was the lowest point (the percentage went down from 100%).

Kerry was the front-runner because he had won both the Iowa Caucus and the New Hampshire Primary.

Edit: Grammar

[Toby109]

23. You seem to be more interested

in being "right in November" than anything else. Good luck with that.

[AmyStrange]

31. yup that's me...

but why do you wish me "good luck with that"?

You make it seem like I'm happy with my analysis?

I hope to the Goddess I am wrong.

I am being as straight forward as I can be. Kerry will lose in Nov unless he picks Edwards as VP, and even then it'll be close.

How is that being "right in November". I could end up being wrong very easily... I just don't think I will be and only November will prove my arguement... or disprove it. Isn't that what science is all about. I have made my hypothesis and November is my arguement and conclusion,

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[DjTj]

4. Pickering ... now Pryor...

Bush gives us great reasons to be ABB every single day.

Thanks Bush, for uniting the Democratic party.

[Maddy McCall]

19. YES!

I am very pissed off with "progressives" who are so self-serving that they will withhold their vote while women's reproductive rights go down the toilet.

But, hey, they are idealogically more sophisticated than us! They only care when it is their pet issue being protected.

[Frances]

5. Like you, I'm losing patience

with people who claim there is no difference between Bush and Kerry or Edwards. I think they have the same mind set as the fundies

[cally]

6. ABB all the way

for me it is almost anyone but this way too powerful junta that has taken over our country. They are about to take over and if we don't stop them this time, I don't see how we will be able to later. I don't understand being more angry at the Dem party leadership than *. I know all the arguments against the Dem party and the central leadership, but they are far less evil than *. I believe that this man believe he was appointed by God to start armegeddon. Deficits don't matter, human suffering on earth don't matter, the environment doesn't matter to him.

[MurikanDemocrat]

8. But wait! You are supposed to sacrifice your rights for PURITY!

Women, Blacks, Hispanics, GLBTs, labor, Native Americans, moderates, environmentalists, southerner's, north-eastern liberals, and all other competing minorities MUST BOW TO THE DEMANDS OF THE PURISTS.

The rest of us must compromise, we never get everything we want, but we persevere and we stay together for the common good. We don't splinter off into other Parties.

But the PURISTS! It's all or nothing. My way or the highway. My candidate or I go 3rd Party, and help Bush get elected. It's better to kill the Democratic Party and make everyone suffer so a 3rd Party can pick up the pieces. (Which wouldn't happen anyway)

Fuck the 3rd Parties, and fuck the purists. I want to get something done rather that nurse an addiction to martyrdom and losing.

[diamondsoul]

15. I'll tell you something MD-

I have my days when I get pissed off and think about it, even talk about it.

I think I've even posted about it here, and that's kind of my way of saying I'm pissed enough to consider something I wouldn't have even thought about 6-10 years ago. I know deep down I can't vote anything but Democratic in November because I know I couldn't live with myself if I didn't vote Dem and Bush got another term.

I've known for 10 years that Bush is a scum-sucking waste of skin. I wanted to vote Nader in 2000 because I didn't like the way Gore came over. I couldn't do it against the twisted hulk of a human being named Bush, and after what he's done I ain't about to do it now. That doesn't mean I don't get pissed enough to wish I could, and even fantasize about it.

[tedoll78]

25. One thing that gives me hope..

a Democratic candidate may play the part of a moderate for the general election, but he/she will probably end-up ruling as a lefty once in office.

Look at Al Gore. He ran as a moderate populist, making tons of overtures to the middle and, some would say, neglecting his liberal base. But once the election was over, he turned into a fire-breathing progressive. It was wonderful seeing the real Al Gore - the Al Gore with nothing to lose.

It's only a feeling, but it's also the only realistic choice. (This is assuming that Kerry is the nominee, of course.) If mr moderate Al Gore ended-up being a liberal-at-heart, maybe Kerry is too? His voting record, even including a handful of high-profile votes in the past three years, is very impressively liberal. And he's taken liberal stances that were often a bit ahead of their times. I'm willing to take the gamble. Again, assuming he's the nominee, he's our best and most realistic shot at moving the political dialogue in this country significantly leftward. I say this as a disappointed Deaniac. I'd love my country back.

[MurikanDemocrat]

26. But like you say, you won't, because you know the alternative is worse.

My post was harsh, I know. I truly have no issue with people exercising their right to vote as they please.

What I DO have a problem with, and what I'm sick to death of, are the repeated threats, tantrums, outbursts, emotional extortion and blackmail mind games, from people saying if they don't get their agenda met or their choice of candidate then they are going to go 3rd Party, stay home, or vote for Bush. Go vote as you wish and spare me the drama. The majority of the rank and file of the Democratic voters are not going to sacrifice their choices to appease the smallest percentage of the Party. That's just common sense.

So, in fairness, it's only a few of the 3rd Party camp that I've lost any patience and sympathy for. Just the ones who seek to shove it down my throat.

Maybe another example would better explain it. I take no position on what religion a person chooses to associate oneself with. But when you come knocking at my door, chasing me down at the airport, jumping out in traffic to shove a pamphlet in my face, or interrupt my while I'm out in public, to shove it down my throat, then I take exception. I had a neighbor lady try to read me the riot act at my doorstep one day because I told her I wasn't interested. She was shocked!, shocked! I tell you! I shut the door in her face. Pissed me off.

[LynneSin]

37. Damn, who the hell are you MurikanDemocrat

and hows come we have met before this

I tip my hat to you, your anger is the same thing I would express.

Consider yourself with a new friend in Delaware!!!

:hi:

[MurikanDemocrat]

38. LOL! Well thank you, LynnSin, I'm flattered.

And likewise from the Midwest :hi:

I don't think I've seen your name either, but I'm fairly new. I don't post outside GD Primary much.

I wasn't even angry yet in that post. Just frustrated. ;-)

I didn't get angry till later:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=373727&mesg_id=373727

[janx]

10. Who wants you to do any of these things?

?

[HowdyDUit]

11. The issue of gay marriage is first on my list

There had better be a ABB candidate supporting gay marriage or I'm off the ticket.

[oasis]

30. What's Bush's position on gay marriage?

[HowdyDUit]

33. Don't know, don't care

I'm not voting for Bush.

[diamondsoul]

12. I have a reason-

because ABB is the same defeatist thinking that convinces people Dennis Kucinich isn't electable.

Do you realize he and Al Sharpton are the only candidates to have been marginalized that way from the outset??? WTF?

[Maddy McCall]

16. Don't forget that Pickering appointment...

to the Fifth District Federal Court of Appeals--you know, the court that JUST decided (after Pickering's recess appointment) to rehear Roe v. Wade.

Beautiful post, Lynne. :thumbsup:

[ngGale]

35. Who could ever forget Pickering especially when...

GW was booed in Atlanta Martin Luther King Day--got so ticked off he did that Friday night special thing. Put Pickering in all by himself. Bush doesn't get only mad he get's even. Scary!

[PurityOfEssence]

17. because really cool people won't love you if you vote for "the man"

They'll laugh at your tats and tease you in public if you vote for someone from the establishment. Real people exile themselves from the halls of power and chant sanctimonious folly from the sidelines; only scum ever compromise.

Even though politics is compromise, people who compromise are unworthy of being a part of something that won't have them in the first place; how dare you not see the clarity of that.

Love me, I'm deep; I'd never vote for HIM.

[Maddy McCall]

21. God did you hit the nail on the head.

[CheshireCat]

20. After voting my ideals for most of my life

I am now ABB with a passion.

LynneSin said: "America can not survive with another 4 years!!!"

I totally agree.

[Pushed To The Left]

24. ABB is important! These are special circumstances..

There are a couple things that make this election different than others:

1. The Supreme Court. We now see what kind of judges Bush wants to put there. I have heard that Ruth Bader Ginsburg is having health problems, and that some of the others want to step down. Now, if Scalia or Thomas wanted to step down, it wouldn't be as dangerous. But if we are going to lose the more moderate-to-liberal justices, then we CANNOT afford to have Bush in charge. If a moderate Republican were president, I wouldn't feel this strongly. I didn't even get upset about the Nader thing in 2000. But things are different now. We could be about to lose some good, progressive judges. Bush is way too socially conservative when it comes to his appointees. I even think Libertarians should vote Democrat this time around if they really care about personal freedom. If Democrats, Greens, Independents, and Libertarians could all band together at this crucial time, we could stop something really bad from happening.

2. John Ashcroft. Definitely a social conservative. Didn't he cover up a statue because he was offended by the breasts? I've read that he is a major drug warrior and wants to go after pornography...again, trying to control people's personal choices. One of the major reasons I like John Kerry is that he got a very good grade from the "Granite Staters for Medical Marijuana". He appears to be fairly progressive on the drug issue. John Edwards, though I like a lot of things about him, got a really bad grade from the same group. This is an issue I feel really strongly about, and I was dissappointed that he was so conservative on that issue. So, will I vote for Edwards if he's the nominee? Hell, YES!! Why? Because as much as I hate his stance on medical marijuana, I want to get the much more conservative Ashcroft out of there. I don't think his cabinet or his judicial appointees would be as right-wing as Bush's. In fact, maybe he would appoint progressive judges who might be liberal on all issues, including the drug laws. Even if Lieberman were in the race and became the nominee, I'd bet that his cabinet and judicial appointees would be much more liberal than Bush's.


If all of the Supreme Court judges were healthy and not wanting to retire, and/or the Republican running for office was more moderate, then I wouldn't feel as strongly about this. I totally respect third parties and people who vote their conscience. But these are special circumstances, and I think it would be a HUGE mistake for any progressive-minded people to not support the Democratic candidate this time around.

[Zomby Woof]

28. Right on Lynne!

:thumbsup:

[Kool Kitty]

32. Hell, yes, I'm ABB.

Neither this nation nor the world could survive another 4 years of this misadministration.

[dawn]

34. Right on!! I'm 100% ABB for November.

[DeepModem Mom]

36. Thanks, LynneSin --

[maxanne]

39. I don't

believe in telling anyone what to do. I do believe that the continual fanning of the ABB/nonABB flames is mean spirited and combative.

[DemBones DemBones]

40. Or how anyone can be other than ABB.

Listen to C-SPAN and hear the Bush lovers talk about God choosing Bush.

[Maddy McCall]

42. Wonder if God will be attributed for getting rid of him in November

[citizen snips]

41. What is ABB?

n/t

[Pushed To The Left]

44. ABB=Anybody But Bush

The ABB philosophy (which I agree with) is that the no. 1 goal should be to get Bush out of office, and that the most effective way to do this is to support the Democratic nominee in November.

The reason it has gotten so heated is because of the Supreme Court situation, with some moderate-to-progressive judges possibly retiring. If Bush in in charge when that happens, it could set civil rights and progress way back.

[diamondsoul]

46. But you see ABB is NOT my #1 goal-

It's #2. My #1 goal is to make the platform, voice and constituency of Dennis John Kucinich heard NOW while it can still have an impact. THEN I move on to ABB. One is for today, the other for tomorrow. One step for the issue/problem at hand. Right now it's that NOBODY But Dennis John Kucinich is talking about what I and most of the people I know NEED just to live through the next week.

That's the issue and problem at hand at this time in the cycle and that's what I work for.

[Pushed To The Left]

47. Sounds like we have the same goal in November

I'm backing Kerry, but I would gladly support Kucinich in November if he got the nomination. Maybe he'll become VP!

[Zomby Woof]

43. ZombyKick