Did Hillary's stooges disrupt the debate last night?

[itsrobert]

Hillary obviously had a stacked audience last night. What's your thoughts.

[hulklogan]

1. How can you blame Hillary for other people's poor behavior? nt

[NavyDavy]

3. some people no matter what if HRC is in the area she is

going to be blamed.....and just because someone supports HRC as their candidate does not make them stooges....i don't support anyone yet but no matter who gets the nomination i will be supporting them for prez, because the worse Dem is better than the best Repuke

[CoffeeCat]

66. Not if that Dem....

...is a warmongering Repuke just wearing the Dem moniker!

I'd rather spend four years being outraged by a warmongering Republican--than
watching a warmongering Democrat sell us down the river.

I'll take anger over anger AND heartbreak--any day.

[MonkeyFunk]

81. aww

how cute. Would you like a cookie?

[CoffeeCat]

83. Only if it's...

...a Tollhouse!

Why, do you have some?

[BootinUp]

2. Stacked with Nevada Democrats, lol.

[itsrobert]

6. Whoever they were; they were rude

My parents are Nevada Democrats. They will not vote for Hillary.

[BootinUp]

8. Democracy is messy and rude sometimes

What shocks me is how a Hillary basher like you can honestly complain.

[havocmom]

28. Merely stating that some relatives won't vote for HRC now = bashing?

:wtf:

Reporting a fact is complaining? The one who reports a fact (you may not like) is a basher?

Does a brown shirt come next?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. He Was Referring To The Poster's Illustrious (Sic) History Of Bashing

And what fact?

What really surprises me is that people don't have enough self respect to not slime people on supposition, conjecture, and poorly thought out assumptions...

[havocmom]

42. Fact that his parents won't vote for HRC

Intimidate much? LOL Well, try to intimidate much?

Did not watch the excuse for a debate, but beginning to wonder how others could construe some behaviors as being done by stooges (<-- operatives or supporters who are operating out of a position to silence any real meaningful discussion which may be unflattering to their chosen candidate) of particular candidates

What really surprises me is that you can be surprised about "supposition, conjecture, and poorly thought out assumptions..." after seemingly just applying all those to your assumption about what you think you know about what I know.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. I'm Beyond Confused

The original poster suggested ,without a shred of evidence, that the Clinton campaign orchestrated the boos directed toward Senator Obama and former Senator Edwards...

If you or him have any evidence of that would you please provide it or forever hold your peace?

[havocmom]

56. FACT: I was responding to someone who responded to someone besides OP

Not responding to OP at all, since I did not watch the poor excuse for a debate (The formats used in these candidate forums is NOT a debate)

Responded to someone who denigrated what another poster said about how parents were voting.

I'm old, but I can still follow the reply threads.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. That's Different

A person has every right to say who his parents are voting for... He doesn't have the right to libel candidates without a scintilla of evidence....

[havocmom]

71. And the post I responded to did not have any libel against a candidate

Post stated parents not voting for her, were in NV and that some people at the debate were rude.

[BootinUp]

37. Some of us recognize the trends

of posters after a few hours or days of observing. It takes skills like reading and comprehension and memory.

[havocmom]

46. Have noticed some trends showing those who dislike a candidate often accused of bashing

If I dislike something and state the fact that I dislike it, I am not bashing. Seems fair to grant acceptance of that freedom to others.

So far, I have been engaged in discussion on other candidates, but have watched a lot of bashing of anyone who is in the least critical of HRC, whether the posters have actually bashed her or not.

It is an interesting phenomenon. Rather like, 'yer with us or with the.....(insert group speaker wishes to use to stereotype & denigrate)

It is not a tactic that serves discussion in a democracy.

[BootinUp]

63. Eye of the beholder I guess.

I think this discussion is pretty pointless really (from my point of view).

[havocmom]

74. Yes, but some beholders attack anyone who criticizes as a basher

I behold that and call on it.

[BootinUp]

78. You are losing me.

If you go around DU and make an effort to intercede in ALL cases of anyone calling another Du'er a hater, basher, shill, loon, stooge, idiot, freeper, braindead, insane, hypocritical, etc, etc, etc...

then enjoy yourself, I imagine it keeps you busy.

Me I just call them like I see them. Sorry if you don't agree with me in this case. You can always alert on my post.

[havocmom]

80. Call 'em like I see 'em

me too, but only attacked for it by ardent HRC supporters.

[BootinUp]

82. I have heard enough

good-bye to you.

[havocmom]

105. Don't even wanna know who I will vote for?

LOL

If you can intimidate them, ignore them. Good. Many will learn a valuable lesson about standing up to people who try to intimidate them into silent acceptance. :woohoo:

[MNDemNY]

11. Justlike those damn "code pink" ladies?

[itsrobert]

18. I don't think they were from "code pink"

I wouldn't think Code Pink would support a pro-war candidate like Hillary.

[MNDemNY]

23. No,but they were "rude" like them?

gobama???

[oasis]

103. If they vote for Rudy in the general, they are no longer Democrats. (eom)

[maddiejoan]

4. She also has a stacked electorate--

--of Democratic voters for the primaries!!

Damn her and her popularity!!!!

:sarcasm:

[mtnsnake]

5. What happened last night is reality. Your guy bombed. Deal with it

instead of whining and pointing the finger of blame elsewhere.

[itsrobert]

9. My guy? I'm not a Hillary supporter

But I know, she fell on her face.

[MNDemNY]

12. Your funny.

[NavyDavy]

13. actually she came out the winner.....check the stats

[Cameron27]

16. Not only didn't Hillary fall on her face

Kucinich managed to have Edwards look small, smug and condescending .... "cute"

[BootinUp]

20. Kucinich

nuked Johnny, it will be interesting to see if he develops radiation sickness.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. That's A More Serious Problem Than How He's Going To Get Hillary's Foot Out Of His Ass

DSB

[calmblueocean]

51. I have to say, I thought Kucinich made a good point.

Edwards voted for the China Trade Relations Act of 2000 which bestowed permanent normal trade relations with China. As a former product liability lawyer, Edwards knew the dangers firsthand of allowing improperly inspected and unsafe products on the market, yet he chose to not just allow but increase these imports while decreasing our ability to make sure they were safe. Edwards bears a significant share of responsibility for the recent glut of recalls of so many products from China. To Edwards' credit, he claims now that this vote was a mistake, but that just makes Kucinich's line about the president being required to exercise the right judgment at the right time even more pointed.

It changed the way I thought of Edwards, and his dismissive, "Cute," didn't help either.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. ROTFLMFAO

Yepsen's analysis: That's why the lady is a champ

Give Thursday's debate to Hillary Clinton.

After two bad weeks in the 2008 Democratic presidential campaign, she recovered her footing and pushed back sharply at her opponents in a debate Thursday night.

The event, televised by CNN, was held in Las Vegas and was seen as an important milestone in the campaign. Clinton's flawed performance in the previous debate and a series of campaign miscues in the weeks that followed indicated the national front-runner was stumbling. The evening gave her rivals a chance to trip her up some more.

They blew it. Barack Obama had only an average night, and on a couple of questions he seemed flummoxed. On the question of driver's licenses for immigrants here illegally, his answer was as nuanced and fuzzy as Clinton's was a couple of weeks ago. Moderator Wolf Blitzer underscored Obama's fumbling by reminding him the question "is sort of available for a yes or no answer." By contrast, Clinton gave the answer she should have in the last debate:

"No."

Also, Obama got booed when he accused Clinton of using logic worthy of Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani. (That did seem a little canned. His handlers need to provide him some fresh material.) He also needs a more cogent answer for what he proposes to do with all the nation's nuclear waste until someone invents that new processing technology he wants.

John Edwards should have stayed home. Clinton took the wind out of his sails early in the evening by implying he was "throwing mud." He never seemed to bounce back from that slap, and he also got hooted when he talked about her as a corporate Democrat.

Edwards also had a poor night because for the first time, the differences between his votes as a U.S. senator and his talk now came into clear focus. He voted for the Iraq war, the Patriot Act and using Yucca Mountain as a nuclear-waste disposal site. Those votes are at odds with the populist rhetoric he serves up today, and it will undermine the credibility of his message.


http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071115/NEWS/71115045/0/OPINION01

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. You're Not Reacting Well To The Fact Hillary Cleaned Obama's Clock!

Go to the 55 second mark...The guy in the white trunks was Obama last night:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h9xMgvOxmY

[Ninga]

10. of course they did....all is fair in the game of politics....

[itsrobert]

15. Yup, I give them props

They are very good fighting dirty.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Boo Hoo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHVMxBkW0CQ

[MNDemNY]

26. ^

:nopity: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :nopity:

[Renew Deal]

14. I think so.

I watched it twice. The hecklers only got loud when someone focused on Hillary.

[meegbear]

17. YES! It was a plot by militant lesbian feminists ...

who are pro-life, anti-corporate and pro-immigration! Mark my words, they're be infesting the White House unless she's STOPPED!!

Yes, I *DID* take my medication this morning, thank you.

[mtnsnake]

21. Polls like this always reinforce how much DU is out of touch with reality when it comes to Hillary

Thank goodness 99% of mainstream Democrats across America don't come close to sharing the same sentiment as the anti-Clinton sore-losers on DU, as reflected in all the real polls across the country.

[havocmom]

36. No primary votes yet cast, but if one is critical of HRC they are sore losers?

:wtf: yet again

I didn't catch the sound-bite-athon err, debate. Did I miss some sort of coronation too?

How can someone be a 'sore loser' when no contest has been held as of yet?

Perhaps it is arrogance and sense of entitlement of some supporters which annoys so many who are not in HRC's camp during this PRIMARY SEASON.

[mtnsnake]

38. I'm talking about the present, not the future

Clinton performed strongly last night, Edwards was awful, and Obama had an off night, and the anti-Hillary naysayers are crying the blues. If that's not obvious then you're not paying attention.

[havocmom]

57. What I see is the same bashing of critics, whether after a debate

or just because it is a particular day of the week. I see the bashing of any criticism of HRC all the time around here and I am paying attention to the use of that tactic of intimidation. It is appalling and frankly, a little desperate.

[Cameron27]

65. It's impossible to bash the criticism of Hillary Clinton

there's usually 2 or 3 threads filled with anti-Clinton drivel and that goes on 24/7. Have you ever wandered into an Edwards' thread? Talk about bashing the criticism, they not only do it in the thread itself, but they then go out and start a whole new one just for that purpose.

[havocmom]

76. As someone up-thread posted: eye of beholder

Yes, I have read many other threads and no I have not noticed the wolf pack mentality I see when someone is critical of HRC

[La Lioness Priyanka]

22. she is the front runner. it doesnt take a brilliant mind to realize that most audiences will be

stacked in favor of her.

:eyes:

[itsrobert]

24. It's still early. Looks like the majority agrees with me

Not surpising results at all.

[mtnsnake]

29. It shows how out of touch with reality you are believing any DU poll about her really means anything

However, just the fact that she's getting more than 12% of the votes in a positive manner shows her popularity is increasing here all time. All your persitent whining about her seems to be backfiring. lmao

[Cameron27]

30. You're right

it's no surprise that DU agrees with you.

[BootinUp]

39. lol nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. DU Is To Rank And File Democrats What The Hell's Angels Are To Motorcyle Enthusiasts

DSB

[BootinUp]

41. Are the Hell's Angels

still as bad ass as they were in the 70's? I worry that your metaphore is lost a little on our younger friends. :)

[MNDemNY]

49. Then you don't Know any Angels.

[BootinUp]

58. I concede. lol. nt

[rinsd]

96. Hanging your hat on a DU poll shows how utterly clueless you really are (nt)

[mtnsnake]

97. OUCH!

and especially a DU poll that just happens to be about Hillary.

Where do some of these geniuses come from, a swamp? Or are they just losers from some rightwing posting board who come here disguised as Democrats with the hopes of bringing down Clinton? I think it's gotta be the latter.

[calmblueocean]

27. Honestly, I blame CNN.

In the MSNBC debates moderated by Brian Williams and others, pains are taken to not to play to the crowds, and audiences are often asked to hold their applause until the end of the program. Brian Williams starts each debate by saying, "We've already thanked the candidates for being here and thanked our hosts, let's get to our first question..."

Compare that to Wolf Blitzer's debate-as-Thunderdome performance last night. What the hell was up with the way they introduced the candidates? They marched them out one-by-one, stoking the audience as if it were a pro-wrestling match. A decent moderator ought to have asked people to hold their cheers and boos so as not to waste the rest of America's time. Wolf Blitzer is a hack, and CNN ought to know better.

[itsrobert]

31. Bravo

You have a real grasp of what really happened.

[global1]

40. After The Debate The Analysis Was Stacked In HRC's Favor As Well.....

and I think it was David Gergen that also said that it was the Clinton Campaign that got Stickler to back down on the license issue so that HRC could give her "No" answer - that BTW was not followed up with by Wolf as to why she has actually had 4 other positions on this before she settled on this "No".

Again - its clear that corporate media was manipulating last nights debate. Edwards is right - the system is corrupt and with HRC we will just get a continuation of the gridlock we've had for the last 20 years in D.C.

It's more of the same.

Actually - everytime I watch and listen to HRC - I get more and more distant from her. She is coming off more and more like * to me and that scares me.

It's been said that they select the audiences for her appearances - ala *. We've found out they plant questions ala *. They probably stacked the audience yesterday. They put pressure on others - like Stickler. And she waffles around with her answers - always seemingly taking both sides of the same issue.

If you listened to the whole debate last night - it is clear that she did not win it - Obama did. The second tiered candidates were very strong as well. Kudos to Biden, Kucinich and Richardson.

Too bad that those who didn't watch the whole debate will be fed a string of sound bites that favor HRC followed by talking heads that she has under her belt.

Some system we have here!!!!!

[MNDemNY]

52. Or maybe it was just obvious she won the debate.

[calmblueocean]

64. I feel pretty much the same way. Hillary's vote on Iran *really* disturbs me!

The idea that voting to label the Iran Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization is going to help keep us *OUT* of going to war with Iran is so preposterous it makes me ill. I just don't see how anyone can square her vote with a commitment to bring the troops home and a desire for peace. It's exactly the kind of gameplaying the Republicans are infamous for, and she either agrees with them, or is -- again -- too dunderheaded to see through their tactics.

She deserves to be hammered on this again and again. It's just so wrong. This is the opposition candidate?!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

79. Who's Stickler

More hypocrisy from the denizens of DU...

Stickler, errrr Elliot Spitzer, was a hero on this board when he was throwing corrupt Wall Street players in the slammer now he's persona non grata because he "helped" Hillary...

He had to abandon the driver license scheme because it was hurting him and Democrats...

[OHdem10]

32. I have Media Reports hinting that it was HRC's Group who

did the boos if that is what you mean. As one commentator
says--It caused Obama and Edwards to back off.

In one sense you have to give the Clinton Campaign Credit.
They were coming to the Debate to win. Some would say
smart politics.

Most handle it in a suggiestive way. Wonder who's supporters
were doing the booing???

Politics aint bean ball. As Mark Halprin pointed out in his
book. The Clintons and Karl Rove are the best political
animals in the country.

A win is a win.

[sufrommich]

90. Which "media report" is that? Link? nt

[global1]

93. So We Condone Dirty Tricks As Long As Its The Dems or HRC That Do.....

the dirty tricks. If it is KKKarl then its not right.

[leftynyc]

101. Where are these "media reports"

you speak of? As I understand it, each candidates' supporters got an equal amount of tickets. Do you have info that says otherwise?

[MonkeyFunk]

34. Why do you ask?

Because Edwards was booed?

What a stupid post.

[mtnsnake]

47. lol

[Ninga]

50. You are smart, so you understand that the points is.....it is not customary for the

audience to participate. So the supporters were coached.

I agree that all is fair in love and war. She has opened the door for some dangerous come back.

Are you suggesting that Edwards is going step aside and throw his cape on the ground for her to walk on?

[MonkeyFunk]

54. Please show me the "customs" that state

an audience can't boo when somebody acts like a little bitch.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. Audiences Sometimes Participate

In the 88 debate when Lloyd Bensten told Dan Quayle he was no "Jack Kennedy" the audience guffawed...

[rinsd]

100. The AFL-CIO audience participated. As did the Yearly Kos audience.

Some debates will specifically ask the audience to remain quiet during the proceeding, some do not.

[mrfixit]

44. 2/3 of the debate was a do-over.

Many of the stacked, stupid and loaded questions merely allowed HRC to correct, reiterate and clarify mistakes she made during the previous debate. She was so obviously at her memorized best. All that was missing was the telltale "hump" from Dimson's 2004 debate. ECH. Obama didn't handle her so well, either.

I am pretty biased towards DK, but I would have to say that if you boiled down kick-ass responses measured per unit of time, Dennis pretty much blew them ALL away. NOBODY seriously wants to debate this guy - he walks his talk like none of the corporate candidates (HRC, JRE, etc.) can possibly attempt!

It's a darned shame that he wasn't called as often as others, but when called upon, he really SHINED!!! His "call to IMPEACH" got the loudest applause of the night, and his "Just Imagine" phrase got the SECOND loudest ovation (other than the poor kid just back from his third tour)...

[bigwillq]

45. No

The other candidates' supporters could've been just as vocal. I don't think it was an issue.

[Ninga]

53. You are dead wrong. The Clinton boo birds were coached. In EVERY other debate the

audience is asked by the moderator not to clap or show any reaction.

What I find curious is that Blitzer did not chastise the boo birds.

[mrfixit]

60. He certainly attempted to quiet them down at ONE point...

When Kucinich was speaking of impeachment and the crowd was cheering him like crazy...

[MonkeyFunk]

61. awww...

did your guy do poorly?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

67. yes. sour grapes.

[Cameron27]

69. Yep

bitter even.

[bigwillq]

77. The audience was clapping

for other candidates after they made a point they agreed with. Blame the moderators for not doing their job. The clapping members and the boo birds were just supporting their candidate, which to me, is a natural reaction.

[MonkeyFunk]

84. He should've marched out

into the audience and started neck-punching anybody who booed.

[sufrommich]

88. "The Clinton boo birds were coached" can you share the

source of this info with the rest of us?

[leftynyc]

102. Sounds like sour grapes to me

Boo birds - pathetic.

[Nimrod2005]

62. Yes

[La Lioness Priyanka]

68. why? because obame bombed it per his usual style?

[MonkeyFunk]

75. I wouldn't say Obama bombed....

he just didn't do what he needed to do.

Edwards came off as a little bitch, though.

[hijinx87]

70. is it beyond the realm of possibility

that is was merely a few genuine americans exercising their
first amendment right to free speech?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

73. or that a front runner should have more supporters?

[MonkeyFunk]

85. and when the audience applauded....

can we fairly say they were all stooges, too?

[Stop Cornyn]

72. That's certainly how MSNBC is reporting it (and we know that what the media says is more important

than what really happened).

[DemocratSinceBirth]

86. Proof Please?

I have been watching it since 6 and saw it mentioned once via innuendo from Mia Brzezinski who's father and brother work for the Obama campaign...

I don't blame you for trying to deflect attention from the reaming Hillary Clinton gave your boy, John Edwards...

[Stop Cornyn]

91. As I type this, I have MSNBC on in the background. I'm happy to see Obama beat Hillary. Since Dennis

will not get the nomination, I'll be happy to see either Edwards or Obama beat Hillary. It's not personal, I just think Hillary is both ideologically less desirable that Edwards or Obama and also less electable in the general election. If she wins the nomination, I'll work for her.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

92. Less Electable?

She does as well or better than Edwards and Obama in the nat'l and state polls against the Rethuglicans...

If John Edwards looked like he was going to cry when Hillary was slapping him around can you imagine how he would fare against a thug like Rudy Ghouliani?

[Stop Cornyn]

94. Not in swing states or red states, at least not in the polls I have seen and especially not against

Romney (who I think will the the nomination).

[Catchawave]

87. What debate ?

I thought CNN was running an old Jerry Springer show :P

[itsrobert]

89. Sure sounded like it

I was waiting for Maury to come in and ask "Who's the father?"

[wyldwolf]

95. ha ha! Well, if a few DUers says so, it must be true.

[SIMPLYB1980]

98. ...

[bobthedrummer]

99. I'm not voting in this poll-in the real world I'm voting for Dennis Kucinich

who got just over 5 minutes of CNN's staged Las Vegas debate, and although I'm voting for DK the other people that made some points were Senator Biden and John Edwards (JE did mention "Bush, Cheney and the neocons..") yet who at last night's "debate" actually spoke for the majority of Americans and has consistently acted responsibly on our behalf???

[William769]

104. This thread just proves that DU is out of touch with America.

Do so at your own peril.

[jefferson_dem]

107. Damn! You're just now realizing that, William?

This is just a itsy bitsy echo chamber enclave. Most Americans don't even know there was a debate last night...

[calteacherguy]

108. Certainly the debate was disrupted. nt

[calteacherguy]

106. Certainly the debate was disrupted; probably there was a disproportionate number of Clinton support.

nt

[Maven]

109. ...