Obviously it's not just right-wingers who are terrified of Hillary...

[polichick]

The Hillary hatred in this place is sickening ~ and says a whole lot more about the spewers than it does about Senator Clinton.

[LostinVA]

1. Agreed n/t

[William769]

2. Agreed.

[MaineDem]

3. Ya think?

I'm still uncommitted but it's very noticeable.

[BobRossi]

4. Hatred no. Realization yes.

It isn't that anyone hates HilCli, it's just that we realize what a fraud she is.

[ihelpu2see]

53. I'm more upset with the Corp. $$ and the Kyle LIEberman Vote nt

[sufrommich]

5. Hillary Clinton has become the new Karl Rove to some

less than logical posters here. She is everywhere and every word she utters or move she makes is dripping with pure evil. There is more than a hint of desperation boiling up.

[BobRossi]

7. If it quacks like a duck......

[gaiilonfong]

6. Yep I am frightened alright

Frightened as a progressive of being thrown under the bus AGAIN by a triangulating Clinton.
Frightened of a Bush LITE presidency with more wars.
Frightened of A James Carville, Paul Begala rehashing of 90's politics that will set the Democratic Party back ANOTHER 8 years.
Frightened of Howard Wolfson whose is a pseudo democratic Rove.

[BobRossi]

8. Bing!

Nail on head.

[Dawgs]

16. "...rehashing of 90's politics that will set the Democratic Party back ANOTHER 8 years."

I couldn't have summarized my feelings about her any better.

I don't hat Hillary. I hate what her being president will do to this country.

We can do better.

[Tellurian]

76. No we can't! I'm thrilled she's running and willing to take on the mess created by Bushco..

[unpossibles]

27. now that was original way of saying all of that

not

[Armstead]

35. That's it in a nutshell

[Gman]

9. I can listen to Hannity or Rush during the day

then come home and check DU to find the very same things both these known liars are lying about posted as threads here on DU.

I'm expecting any day now to see someone's anti-Hillary OP ending with Hannity's catch-all "incredible".

[Uben]

10. I understand some of the resentment

.....some folks are just tired of the same old faces rotating in and out of the whitehouse. But, do you factor that in when choosing a candidate? Should Hillary be culled because her husband was president? Shouldn't we pick our candidates for their stands on the issues and their political ideology as opposed to who they are married to?

In my opinion, she is the sharpest of all the candidates...by far. They are all good candidates, and I would not hesitate to vote for any of them if they win the nomination. However, if any candidate declares that they will not vote for the nominee of their own party, that candidate is OUT! Period! By doing so, they declare they are not true democrats, but independents, and they are running in the wrong party. Including Hillary Clinton.

[Froward69]

11. you are the dislousional one

The Right WANTS hillary as their opponent they themselves are pushing for her. you are to blinded to realize that. I am inclined to not give them what they want. The republicans are NOT AFRAID of hillary. please for the love of America, WAKE UP!

[sufrommich]

13. Right. Which is why Free Republic holds a

Hillary lovefest daily and Sean Hannity has renamed his radio show "Stop Hillary Central".It's pure love out there in Freeperland.:eyes:

[Dawgs]

17. Hannity also says that he thinks Hillary would be the best to run against.

[sufrommich]

19. Yes,I'm sure he really believes that.

Which is why he is devoting his radio program to stopping her now. Makes perfect sense. All it takes to get a feel for how the right really feels is to listen and read what they say.Hannity is obsessed with stopping her now,so is Rush,ask yourself why.

[Tellurian]

77. If Hannity said, Edwards or Obama are a better choice..

you would say, "see, even the Repukes like him.."

Go away, you're getting 3rd degrees burns from all that transparency!

[Froward69]

39. oh come on

Hillary endorses Joe Biden in just about every debate... three times last one in Penn. arent you paying attention? a quote from freeperland.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=404x3798

"Biden is actually looking like somewhat less of an a-hole than usual.
Joe Biden is the worst opponent we could have in the general election. The union guys who will never vote for Hillary would vote for Biden in a heartbeat. Thank goodness he has no chance of getting the nomination."

[sufrommich]

46. You find one quote at freeperland

that proves your point, out of thousands that fly in the face of the "they want her to win"theory.So what.

[Froward69]

64. and yet more from the washington post

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/11/democratic_debate_winners_and_2.html?hpid=topnews
"If Dems don't back Biden I actually think we (rethugs) will win again. 11% approval for Congress means Dems have no upper hand just because they're Dems. washington post
from the Rocky mountain news...
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2007/nov/15/clinton-takes-shots---and-lands-em-too/
"Clinton didn't necessarily win the evening. She didn't have to. All she had to do was play for a draw."
<snip>
There were few highlights. Chris Dodd, who didn't get to do much else, showed off his Peace Corps Spanish to a Hispanic questioner. Joe Biden, meanwhile, answered every question as if he couldn't believe he's not winning the race. And Dennis Kucinich still wants to impeach someone."

[Froward69]

65. so it would really seem you are in denial...

[sufrommich]

66. Your ability to cherry pick blog comments hardly proves

"I'm in denial" The big guns on the right are aiming straight at her,now.Wouldn't it be to their advantage to hold back until after she wins the primaries(if she does) and then go after her? They are trying to stop her from getting that far,and for good reason. Believe what you will.It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the right wing obsession with her.

[Froward69]

67. you really think

those are their "Big Guns" um no they are simply keeping her name in the press. The rethugs think us dems are stupid, and will rally behind whom they target. (rove play book) She is their preferred Dem candidate. Thus their preferred opponent. please see that, at the very least.

[sufrommich]

70. Oy..I'm done,believe what you will. nt

[JohnnyBoots]

42. They are rallying the base for the GE. n/t

[bvar22]

43. According to a Fox poll posted here yesterday,

the majority of Fox watchers WANT Hillary to get the Democratic nomination.

That should tell you something.

[sufrommich]

47. A legitimate poll of republican voters?

I'd like to see it. Do you have a link?

[SIMPLYB1980]

21. Nice talking point. It's getting old.

[Froward69]

40. Check #39

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=404x3798

[zabet]

12. I see it too.

Just my 2 cents. Even though I am not a Hillary fan, I do not understand the rabidness
of hate towards her by some people. I worked for over 20 years as the only woman in a
'man's job', I feel empathy towards Clinton because of this experience. As a woman in a
'man's job', she has to be twice as good, accomplish twice as much, to get one half the
recognition and half the credit. As a woman, she has to watch her stance or she will be
labled bitchy, flighty, emotional etc. All those terms used to make women in the work force
appear weak. She is spotlighted due to the fact she is the only woman in the mix. She is
spotlighted because she is an ex-first Lady, she is spot-lighted because of Bill's past...
etc. etc. etc.
I just think with all that is stacked against her perception wise, she has done pretty
well holding up under fire while under the biggest microscope in political history.

[BootinUp]

14. It was nice

to watch the debate and see her get some audience support from real democrats. :)

[Dawgs]

18. "real democrats"

You were proud of those people? That debate was terrible because of the rudeness of the audience. And, I'm not talking about just the booing.

[BootinUp]

22. The audience

wouldn't buy the bullshit that spews around here, I was very proud, yes.

Obama who is a very skilled politician was exposed for his inexperience, he looked like a rookie a couple times.

Edwards is a snake oil salesman.

nuff said.

[PDittie]

15. When she said

that national security trumps human rights, I stepped off.

And we aren't going to be getting on the same bus again, either.

[MLFerrell]

24. If she said that, then she's not just a rightist, she's every bit the monster that * is.

I hated her before. Now I fear her.

[ruggerson]

41. All you're doing is buying into Wolf Blitzer's line of pathetic black and white questioning

The MSM puts ALL the candidates into a box by reducing complicated issues to yes or no questions. Listen to the totality of what they're saying. Everyone, save Richardson, responded, btw, in the exact same manner to the ridiculously posed either/or equation.

[ellisonz]

79. You wish!

[SIMPLYB1980]

20. Agreed.

K&R

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Jr. Is Pro Choice, Pro Affirmative Action, And Pro Gay Rights?

When did he have this "road to Damascus" conversion?

[unpossibles]

29. thank you

next time I want to hear about how she is Bush lite in drag, or some other offensive crap, I'll go troll a rightwing site.

Hell, she is not my #1 candidate, but the way some of these people act about her - repeating the bullshit of Rush, et al - makes me sick. If you people truly believe she is as bad as Bush and would be worse than Romney, Guiliani, Thompson or Paul, then you are on the wrong website.

I'm not making some blind party-loyalty oath statement, I am saying that any of the Republicans would be so much worse, and that is a fact.

[zalinda]

26. I don't hate Clinton, but I don't want her to be President

And I'm saying that for a lot of reasons. First, I don't like her policies, they are repub lite. Second, I don't think she is going to move the party very much to the left. Third, I think she will divide this country more than it already is, if that is even possible. Fourth, we don't need another "right wing conspiracy" going on distracting the country's business. Fifth, I think if she is President, it will be a very long time before another woman would ever be elected.

I don't know, but for some reason Clinton does not scream woman to me. To me she seems genderless. Now, put in Barbara Boxer, and I could get behind her as a woman and a President.

zalinda

[formercia]

28. I'd vote for Barbara Boxer

She's my idea of a Democrat.

Nobody is perfect but obvious baggage is a magnet.

[Cameron27]

30. Agreed

:thumbsup:

[NavyDavy]

31. i think attacking one of our own no matter which candidate

it is just gives the right wingers what they want....

[mtnsnake]

32. I'll bet just as many lies have been made up about her on DU than all rightwing sites combined.

It's like DU is the unofficial home of Hillary haters. It's been this way since as long as I can remember. Nobody should mind the people who simply can't stand her; it's the ones who preach outright propaganda and innuendo about her 24/7 as if they're on an agenda to help the other party by sticking a stake through the heart of our own party.

[SIMPLYB1980]

37. Yep thats the way I see it to.

[Bitwit1234]

33. Right on...It is mostly one candidate's supporters

He seems to be an honorable man himself. I think if he would just read some of the trash they post he would tell them he never wants them to support him again.

[formercia]

34. B&M beans

It seems Burston-Marsteller is earning their keep today. :rofl:

They should apply for an alternative energy subsidy.

[Armstead]

36. Not terrified of Hillary -- Depressed that we're going to stay on the DLC treadmill

I don't "hate" Hillary.

But I do hate the fact that the same folks who helped put this country into such a mess are going to be given the keys once again.

Thus we will have eight more years of corporate dominance, phony "free" trade, polarization over non-issues and a continuance of Alan Greenspan/Ayn Rand loving Democrats.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. I Thought The Hill Was A Devotee Of Saul Alinsky Not Ayn Rand

DSB

[ellisonz]

80. Actually her senior thesis at Wellesley rejects Alinsky as anachronistic and ineffective...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372/page/2/

[suston96]

44. Here and at Kos...

So much hate, real hate for Hillary. And for a long time.

And so far, no really cogent reasons for this hate, so I must make my own assessment:

She is a woman. She is an incredibly intelligent woman. And she is way ahead in the polls of every state.

Gee that sounds like what she said last night, almost.

[Stop Cornyn]

45. I'm frankly scared of Hillary but only because she's the only likely nominee who'd lose the general

election

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. And The Evidence For That Is

Oh, and put a fork in Johnny Boy... I would wear a disguise if I was beat as bad he was... That's what Floyd Patterson did after he was humiliated by Sonny Liston and that's what Johnny Edwards should do...

[Froward69]

69. see #64 same thread.

[bigwillq]

48. Why can't we disagree with Clinton

and not be called a hater? :shrug:

I don't like a lot of Clinton's policies. I don't like her being a war monger, I don't like her corporate ties, I don't like how she takes money from lobbyists. She's nothing more than a typical Washington insider who, imo, isn't the best candidate to bring our country together.

I will support her if she is the nominee. I don't think I hate on Clinton here, although I do see your point that some are more harsh than others, but I think those people are just trying to argue my point that Clinton has some major issues and we really need to think about whether or not we want her to lead this country.

[Skip Intro]

49. yep

[bvar22]

51. Its good to see so many Hillary supporters...

...becoming aware of how polarizing Hillary is.
Most of the people here and at other Democratic sites who have STRONG objections to Hillary are lifelong Democrats.
It doesn't matter if you believe this polarization is irrational. It is REAL.

If you see this much "hatred" from lifelong partisan Democrats, take the next logical step, and realize that a Hillary nomination will be a DISASTER for the Democratic Party.

Most of the left is willing to compromise and support an Edwards nomination.
Will the Hillary brigade stubbornly continue to support the most conservative candidate even if it brings disaster?

If you think you are seeing "hatred" (I'm using your term) now, imagine the festival if Hillary gets the nom.

Please.

[countingbluecars]

52. I don't hate her,

but she sounded like a republican in the debate last night.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. Like When She Said She Supports Universal Heath Care?

Or when she said she would put pro-choice judges on the Supreme Court?

[bvar22]

56. Despite the "DoubleSpeak",

Hillary does NOT support true Universal HealthCare as it is defined in every other developed country in the World.

Hillary supports Mandatory For Profit Private Heath Insurance which is vastly different from "Universal HealthCare".

She and the DLC have merely agreed to mislabel Hillary's plan as "Universl HealthCare".

[DemocratSinceBirth]

60. It's Still The Most Progressive Plan Of All The Candidates But Kucinich

DSB

[countingbluecars]

57. No, like when she defended

her yes vote for Kyle-Lieberman and hawkish position on Iran and when she said that security trumps rights.

[Renew Deal]

61. Security trumps foreigners rights.

And anyone that says otherwise in a US debate will get roasted. Politically, security is always #1 and everything else is #2.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. Why Are Security And Human Rights Mutually Exclusive?

DSB

[Renew Deal]

68. I'm going to sound like Colbert, but in political reality they are.

You can't go on stage and say that anything is more important than security. We know that they're not mutually exclusive (most of the time).

[Renew Deal]

59. She doesn't support "Universal Health Care." She just supports the term.

It's convenient.

[ihavenobias]

54. You're Right. Average Americans Are Terrified Of Her Too

How in the world can you support the candidate who is, *by far*, the most beholden to special interest money?

People applauding her fund raising efforts need to realize what a double-edged-sword it is.

Is it really something to be proud of you when your candidate has taken more money from the health care industry than ANY other candidate, democrat OR republican? And you trust her to reform health care to the benefit of most Americans, why, because in the early 90's (when she was NOT influenced by all that money and payback potential) she fought?

There's also that matter of taking money from the defense industry, I wonder where she ranks on that...

At any rate, even *if* you think Hillary has the best ideas (a very big if in my mind, particularly when Iran is the topic) she simply can't be trusted to represent the will of the people in light of her funding. *That's nothing against Hillary on a personal level*, that's something against ANY politician of ANY party at ANY level. It's the oldest story in politics.

[Renew Deal]

58. It's not hatred. It's politics.

Nothing personal. People would just prefer someone else. I am one of those people that would prefer someone else.

[faithfulcitizen]

62. I don't hate Hillary, I think she's an amazing woman...

I just don't think she's what this country needs right now. I don't think she can get elected in the general election. And I *truly* don't know where she stands on war- my #1 issue. I know Clark endorsed her, but I don't agree. Of these choices, I have to go with Biden. Peace :loveya:

[Fresh_Start]

71. While I fully intend to vote for the dem nominee

I continue to be an unaffiliated voter because partisans from both parties reek.
The anti-HRC people make me wonder who the hell they are supporting - I suspect that there are many trolls here

[polichick]

72. Wow, I started this thread and then had to be away from my computer all morning...

While I'm no fan of the DLC and find Hillary's Iran vote dangerously misguided, I think there is much to admire about her. All of the candidates have flaws and high points ~ if more posters could discuss both, without either demonizing or crowning someone, this place would be much more useful imo.

Anyway, it'll take me a bit to read all of the comments but I appreciate the interest.

[eridani]

73. I'm terrified of Burson-Marsteller and Rupert Murdoch, myself n/t

[KoKo]

81. Exactly....that's what bothers many of us ....

yet we have people who smear their fellow DU'ers using RW TP of "Hillary Haters." IF they aren't trolls trying to roil the waters...then one would think that they wouldn't be using such tactics against their fellow Democrats.

[DutchLiberal]

74. Why don't Hillary-supporters address the factual criticism instead of blaming the critics?

If only just for ONCE!

[last_texas_dem]

75. I don't hate Clinton myself

and the only thing I fear about her is the polarizing effect I believe her nomination would have.

And I'd just like to add that, while the "Hillary hatred" here may be a bit extreme in some cases, the bile being spewed by some of her strongest supporters on here certainly isn't doing her cause any favors.

[Perry Logan]

78. When she takes office, the Hillary-haters be trotting over here every day with the latest smears.

That'll be REALLY sickening.

[eridani]

82. Nope. We'll back her when she stands up for progressive policies--

--and strongly oppose her when she does not.