Kucinich has another debate like this and we will have a race.

[inthebrain]

A REAL race.

Will see how this turns out tomorrow but I think Kucinich just elevated his numbers BIG TIME!!!!

I think he has the Union endorsement coming his way as well. He fielded that question BRILLIANTLY.

"Uninons are essential to the extension of human rights!!!!"

I think he did a great job on the immigration issue as well. He turned it around on NAFTA and used that as another opportunity to talk about labor. One could easily say, "IT'S NAFTA, STUPID!!!!!!"

Excellent!!! Just EXCELLENT job by this guy tonight. Very different than 04 with Kerry who had a difficult time dealing with the attacks on his record. Dennis is not afraid to throw his voting record on the table and doesn't lose composure when people attack him.

As a matter of fact, I liked how he threw some barbs at the others on the stage and sat back while they all strained not to attack each other. Next debate Kucinich needs to take time on the mic and really establish himself. So far he's done an awesome job.

This party needs a real fearless candidate like that.

[Capn Sunshine]

1. I thought he did great tonight

I don't know what it will take for the voters though. He's way back there and I don't know if eight weeks is enough time to make it up. But he's definitely qualified without argument.

[inthebrain]

3. He continues hammering at Edwards, Hillary and the pack

on their voting records while standing on his, people will come around. I really don't think he's as far back as people really think. I think he has more supporters on this board than most people realize.

Another Debate like this and he will be right up there. Dennis does a great job of ratteling the other candidates as well.

[aquart]

7. Definitely keeps them on their toes.

[Bluebear]

2. Love the guy, but he appeared sullen and irritated.

For someone seeing him for the first time, I dno't think he did himself any favors tonight. YMMV.

[inthebrain]

5. I highly doubt you know that

Sounds like wishfull thinking.

Wanna know what sullen is?

Try the look on Edward's face after Kucinich nailed him on that trade agreement.

[Bluebear]

8. You don't have to be an ass about it, & it's not "wishfull" thinking.

I said I love the guy, didn't I?

[inthebrain]

11. I'm not trying to be an ass about it

Just a little humurous.


Seriously, you really don't know what other people think. I don't think "sullen" is a word that applys here. I might agree with irritated but in this case not in a bad way. Edwards, Hillary, Obama and Biden tend to waffle too much. They all also have some very inconsistent records in regards to their votes on the issues.

Kucinich really is the best candidate in that field and lines up with just about every liberal, Union memeber and most Democrats on the issues. His record is his strength and the other candidates should stop trying to be something they are not on those issues.

[Bluebear]

12. Okie dokie.

I wish he had more organization in New Hampshire.

[inthebrain]

13. New Hampshire

Is a crazy state politically. They tend to move all over the spectrum.

Isn't Sanders from there?

[Bluebear]

14. Sanders is VT. New Hampshire is becoming reliably blue, happy to say

[LeftCoast]

10. It's interesting you use the phrase "wishfull thinking"

[sufrommich]

39. "Wishful thinking" sounds like it should be

the subtitle of the OP .Can you not see the irony?

[laconicsax]

6. Wouldn't you be a little sullen and irritated

if you were consistently given the least amount of time to talk at the debates, not be invited to events, and get almost zero media coverage?

[Bluebear]

9. ABsolutely.

It's a disgrace. I was just trying to convey that if someone had never seen him before tonight I don't think they would get the true picture of what the man is about.

[silverweb]

24. That was my impression, too.

Anyone who knew nothing about him beforehand would be unimpressed.

[silverojo]

33. Sadly, he came off as shrill and bratty

Even while I agreed with him, I was getting sick of him. Only Hillary annoyed me more....

[MaineDem]

37. I agree about Kucinich

Not so much about Hillary. There were a few occasions I was thinking she should stop talking. And she did appear a bit overbearing at times.

[The Traveler]

4. Dennis is proud of his record

and rightly so. If Edwards' story is that of a man rediscovering his early convictions, Kucinich's story is that of a man who was never seduced away from them.

[inthebrain]

16. I think he shouldflaunt it more often

In 04 Kerry was constantly accused with running from his.

The other candidates don't seem to respond to well when attacked on theirs. This election is not going to be any different than the 04 election. The Republicans have a weak field of candidates. I hope people don't make the mistake of picking another candidate that won't be able to take that on. Not to mention afraid to not only throw mud but the right kind of mud.

I'd love to see Kucinich go against Romney, Thompson or Guillianni.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

27. Kucinich against Romney, Thompson or Guillianni? That would be no contest!! DK would wipe them up!!

[Phunktified]

15. I wish he'd not waste our time appearing in these debates

He's not a serious candidate, he shouldn't be up there.

[Jim Sagle]

17. Sez u.

[Bluebear]

19. Welcome to DU, I'm sure you'll be a big hit here.

:silly:

[Phunktified]

21. I just remember Feb '04

With Kucinich bugging Larry King for more time and Al Sharpton there too. When who we really wanted to hear from was Kerry and Edwards. It was a disgraceful and an afront to our democracy. Presidential debates are not supposed to just be free television time.

[RebelSansCause]

25. you might need to learn the

definition of democracy. and why should he not be able to give out his message? he is trying to help shape the minds and hearts of voters by introducing to a way of thinking or viewing of a situation that they might never have been introduced to. it is not our fault that someone who stands by their convictions and wants to hold our country to the level of greatness upon which it was founded is today considered a useless, marginalized candidate. go back to the MSM, let them tell you what to think and who the true front runners are. you and wolf i am sure will get along oh so well together. just do not think about the fact that you are getting played by corporations who exist for the sole purpose of making money by exploiting you and others of the american public.

[inthebrain]

26. Who's we?

Dennis was virtually ignored in 04.

Anyone saying that if they could do it all over again and nominate Kerry/Edwards is crazy. Those two ran the worst campaign I've ever seen.

At the end a lot of the people who worked for those two I found saying they really wish they nominated Dean. I recall Kerry conceding that election even in the midst of Olberman reporting widespread voter fraud.

To top it off Kerry kept talking how he enjoyed working with the president and that he LIKED the guy.

TERRIBLE!!!!

To mirror that we have hillary offering to work hand in hand with Republicans. YOU CAN'T COMPROMISE WITH CRAZIES!!!!!!

Know why Dennis seems a little weird next to those people?

BECAUSE HE"S ONE OF THE FEW SANE PEOPLE ON THAT STAGE.

The only people that think you can compromise with uncompromizing nutters are freakin nutters themselves. Even worse, when yu take a stand on an issue like blocking a crazy judge or attorney general, the crazies do a great job of using that election strategy against us.

[eridani]

34. "We" did? Whatchu mean "we" Kemo Sabe? n/t

[LWolf]

38. Actually, I never wanted to hear more from Kerry and Edwards.

I preferred Sharpton to both of them and DK to all.

Your "we" is not universal.

[progressive_realist]

20. Here

You might need this:

:hide:

Oh, and define serious, please.

[Phunktified]

22. Serious?

Serious? like a) worked to build support in the democratic party among elected officials, major unions, or other large vote getting groups. b) raised even a fraction of the amount of money neccesary to run a complex modern presidential campaign c)looking to build support, as opposed to angrily asserting your message or perhaps d) having the dignity and humility to know that you've gotten lots of free airtime the last couple cycles and maybe, just maybe, democratic voters deserve to hear from candidates that are more than a .01 blip in the polls.

[Mythsaje]

29. Welcome to DU...

And, yeah, as much as I like DK, I can't consider him a serious candidate either. It's hard to believe he's even trying very hard.

[inthebrain]

30. Everyone on that stage wishes they had his voting record

That's why he's a serious candidate.

The other are clearly just faking it.

Who, on that stage, do you think is in line for the Union endorsement?

[Mythsaje]

31. A serious candidate polling in the single digits?

Hard to believe.

[eridani]

35. The MSM decides who's "real"

Why are you going along with it? I suppose you like the constant focus on Edwards' hair and similar bullshit as well?

[inthebrain]

44. isnt it?

Kinda tells you some people really have their priorities screwed up.

Edwards, Hillary and Obama have done nothing but sell out the base and talk out of the other side of their mouths on campaign trail.

Meanwhile, a guy whose been right on every single issue THE FIRST TIME polls in the single digits. I have a habit of remembering this stuff come campaign time. Hillary, our so called front runner, has done nothing but waffle on the war. Obama hasn't the teeth to take on the Republicans in a national campaign or in the senate.

Kucinich has fought these battles tooth and nail in the house.

He's the most qualified candidate up there.

The other candidates can pretend they have his voting record but the they don't. The republicans are going to call them on it too.

[dweller]

23. weel, aren't you special !

dp

[bvar22]

40. If Kucinich is eliminated from the debates,

who will tell America that:

*Single Payer Universal HealthCare is not only possible, but cheaper.

*that "For Profit" HealthCare is obscene

*that Mandatory Health Insurance is NOT REALLY Universal HealthCare

*that the Democratic Party and American taxpayers should NOT be forced to subsidize some of the richest CEOs in history by subsidizing the HealthCare Insurance Corps and HMOs.

*that the USA SHOULD give the Imperial Palace (Green Zone) back to the Iraqis, close the permanent bases, expel all Corporate Consultants, withdraw ALL US Troops, and begin paying reparations NOW.

*that redeploying some troops at some future date is a PRO-WAR position.

*that the "Oil Law Benchmark" supported by the Democratic Party is a War Crime

*That we can have election accountability with "Paper Ballots publicly hand counted at the precinct".

*that we CAN cut $Billions$ from the Defense Budget

*that the RICHEST Corporations in history do NOT need $Billions$ in welfare subsidies

*that NAFTA (Free Trade) has not been a good thing for Americans who have to work for a living



Who will tell the truth to America if DK is kicked off the Democratic stage? :shrug:
Dennis Kucinich's voice is one of the few reasons I am still in the Democratic Party.

Kicking DK off the stage IS kicking ME off the stage.


”Unlike other candidates, I am not funded by those corporate interests.
I owe them no loyalty, and they have no influence over me or my policies.” ---Dennis Kucinich

[riqster]

43. Worth repeating:

"Dennis Kucinich's voice is one of the few reasons I am still in the Democratic Party. Kicking DK off the stage IS kicking ME off the stage."

I keep trying to get this across to people who feel that DK is somehow damaging the party by running, and this is why they're wrong.

Kooch is expanding the tent, making it more friendly to the Left, and for that matter to a Center-Left guy like me. DENNIS IS DOING GOOD WORK FOR THE PARTY AND THE COUNTRY.

[99th_Monkey]

18. Since I killed my TV, I'm reliant on video clips posted on the net.

Do you know of any links posted yet? ... or if you don't, I'll get about doing a youtube search for myself.

[dkf]

28. He should have shut up about that UFO sighting.

Chem trails...UFOS...sigh.

[ima_sinnic]

32. when did that come up? I missed only about 10 minutes last night

so if it didn't come up then, I don't know what you're talking about. He got the loudest, most enthusiastic cheer of any of them when he mentioned impeachment, which Blitzer rushed in to hush and change the subject as quickly as he could.

[eridani]

36. Carter and Reagan never got asked about the UFOs they saw--

--because the League of Women Voters did the debates back then and focused on substance instead of bullshit.

[Basileus Basileon]

41. Uh...huh. I'm sure his popularity will skyrocket.

Maybe he'll finally break 5%.

Good guy, but let's not pretend he's popular.

[inthebrain]

45. This isn't a high school luncheon.

This is a serious election.

That the problem with them. It's not about voting for the prom king and queen. It's about the issues. Hillary, Obama, Edwards and Biden (who's also a freakin racist) sell this party out every chance they get. All of them voted for the Patriot Act and to give Bush the right to declare war whenever he chooses.

This isn't the time to play popularity contest. Those guys are all fakers and frauds and deserve to have their feet held to the fire.

[David Zephyr]

42. This was Dennis' best night.

Dennis took the little time he was unfairly (as always) given and maximized it and hit every issue he needed to and showcased that he's the only one that was right when it mattered.

[Desertrose]

46. Always fun to watch the spin here when Dennis does well.

Predictable if not especially amusing......


Dennis rocked withthe few minutes given him. Hell, I'd be more than pissed to be passed over the way he always is....and to say he's not serious? Seems to me he's the most serious one up there- to me looks like he cares about people rather than his poll numbers.

DR

[Kurovski]

47. K&R. (nt)