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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 01:33 AM
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Wolf made a statement on triangulation as it applies to Hillary and he added "Whatever that means."
I agreed with him on this point. I have heard people calling Senator a triangulator and I aask "What does that mean?" I get a response that is always less than adequate. Can we dump this baseless accusation now?
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 01:38 AM
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1. It means Leslie Wolf Blitzer is a raging idiot?
Oh, I guess that was not the question, yet, it is the answer to every question I believe (at least for tonight) ...:evilgrin:
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 01:39 AM
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2. Yet another inadequate response.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 02:02 AM
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3. sorry.. you may like this no better, but I'll try
Edited on Fri Nov-16-07 02:04 AM by hlthe2b
to me it means she is being accused of always finding a position equidistant between the three opposing positions so that she may remain the 'centrist' with the hope of offending the least by so doing. So, the REPUG extreme view and she finds the two opposing views on the left and seemingly finds the compromise between the three.

Perhaps that's more obvious than what you had in mind...:shrug: I don't know why it would only apply to Clinton, except that she is seemingly a more centrist candidate than the others..
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 02:28 AM
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4. A winning strategy is a great crime.
At least, to the losers.
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 02:33 AM
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7. Hillary's strategy flat out loses elections for other Democratic candidates
Bill Clinton did this when he ran and it's killed us ever since.

The Republicans call us "obstructionists" and claim we are "destroying progress" so they can't get anything done in Washington.

"The mood is so sour"

"Give the guy an up and down vote"

Hillary's promises to "work with the other side" has always proven a recipe for disaster for all subsequent candidates who take a stand on an important issue.

Fact is that you can't compromise with crazy freakin people. Hillary does that and it makes it much harder for everyone else. Bill Clinton did the same damn thing in the 90's and we continually lost seats on the local and federal level.

She's giving the crazies in the Republican party and open to seem sane!!!!

That in and of itself is NUTZ!!!!!!!
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 03:02 AM
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8. You have hit tne mos important of the many problems with Hillary's
candidacy. In spite of his own successes at the polls, Bill was unable to carry Democrats in House and Senate races with him to victory. Bill and Hillary are better than the Bushes, better than Reagan, better than Nixon. But they are still Republican lite. A voter could easily and did easily vote for Bill Clinton and turn right around and vote for a Republican for Congress without any contradiction. Hillary and Bill agree with the Republicans on surveillance, on trade, on so many issues.
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 03:11 AM
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10. Those two do a great job destroying the base
They run from the base.

It gets them votes but never anyone else.

It's taken so loooong for the Dems to get to this point and to see Hillary ruin it breaks my heart. Not to mention those who have watched the many times before ACTUALLY FALL FOR IT AGAIN!!!!
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Cobalt-60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 03:11 AM
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9. trusting a republican is like giving a Scorpion a ride in your hat
It's always a real bad idea.
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 02:33 AM
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6. I don't know if this helps either...
Edited on Fri Nov-16-07 02:36 AM by CitizenLeft
...but I first heard, or read, that term in one of the early books about Monica and Bill... that the GOP hated Clinton from the moment he became the nominee in '92 because he hijacked part of their platform by "triangulating," specifically, by advocating fiscal conservatism. They HATED HATED HATED him for that, and they always will - because in one stroke, that removes the "HE'S GOING TO RAISE YOUR TAXES!!!" and "WELFARE, WELFARE!!!" bugaboo that so terrifies rightwingers. That's why they insist on calling Hillary a "liberal." She is no such thing, but they think that just saying that covers up the fact that she is also a fiscal conservative for their halfwitted republican base. And for the dumbasses on the right, it does, and that works. So when I hear "triangulation," if I'm not reminded of the movie "JFK," I think of that: taking away the GOP's most effective weapon against Democrats.

Dunno if that's accurate, but that's my take. :)
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:08 AM
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15. That is a clearer definition - thank you. If she does that (I haven't seen it) it would seem
she is trying to win a nomination. Kind of like the Human Rights and National Security question. Clearly Hillary is smart enough to know theat they go hand in hand. But try saying that to a television audience and there goes Iowa, Missouri,Nebraska,Goergia..you know all the states that DIDN'T GET HIT by 9/11. The only answwer to that question in a campaign is the answer she gave.

And, I thought it interesting that Obama skirted the license issue quite politically. He really didn't want to answer and tried to ditch.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 02:33 AM
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5. It means she doesn't support single-payer health care. NT
NT
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 03:56 AM
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11. Then he's an idiot
Anybody who paid attention in the nineties knows what triangulation means. It's a combination of co-opting the language of the opposition and applying it to your own programs along with being so ambiguous that nobody can pin down what you really mean on anything. Then you just eliminate anything anybody objects to in legislation and end up with whatever pile of crap that's left, never standing up for or committing to anything based on your principles.

Triangulating.

It's very real and Wolf knows it.
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:08 AM
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16. Wow, I thought I was paying attention. Didn't Dick Morris come up with the term?
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 06:07 AM
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12. In essence its where one politico charges another with being a politico. nt
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Captain_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:03 AM
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14. I don't get it. Not a clear definition.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 07:13 AM
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13. I have to admit, I still don't understand what it means. Are there some more specific examples?
Edited on Fri Nov-16-07 07:48 AM by Perry Logan
So far, it just sounds like something terribly objectionable that only Hillary does.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:46 AM
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17. Wikipedia is your friend
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