People are not attacking Hillary because she's a woman, they're attacking her because she's a

[ddeclue]

weasel wording, DLC corporatist who engages in fearmongering and warmongering over Iran and can't give a straight answer to a question.

[saracat]

1. true enough!

[MalloyLiberal]

2. Hehe

[Harper_is_Bush]

3. That'd be great, if you could talk for "people".

But you can't. You can only talk for yourself.

[Ron Green]

6. And for me as well. That's 2 people right here.

[ddeclue]

8. NEITHER can Hillary then... have a nice day...

[flvegan]

4. YOU ARE WRONG. That coporatist...

She CAN give a straight answer. She just chooses not to.

HMMMM...wonder why?

[dkf]

20. Yup!!! THat is what is wrong with her...

She chooses to be squirrly and misleading. Not leader material.

[Beausoir]

5. Whew! Glad you cleared that up for us! You must be exhausted!

[fadedrose]

7. Don't hold back, say what you really mean :)

[SaveElmer]

9. Ahhh...are we having a tantrum...maybe some nice warm milk and a cookie will make you all better...

[ddeclue]

10. Well ARE YOU going to have a tantrum?? I'm just stating the facts friend..

:)

[SaveElmer]

11. Of course you are...now off to bed with you....nt

[ddeclue]

12. It's past YOUR bedtime, not mine..

Doug D.

[Capn Sunshine]

13. condescension...that's what we get from Hill's Campaign here

it's insulting, its divisive, it's .......typical.
Oh, I left off puerile.

[SaveElmer]

16. Hypocrisy and intolerance...that's what we get from Edwards and Obama's campaign here...

I guess you think the OP was a measured and mature analysis of the debate right?

[ellisonz]

14. And she won't apologize for her Iraq vote...

[emilyg]

22. Some of us don't care.

[Hardrada]

23. Some of us think she is a bloodstained harpie.

[ellisonz]

25. ZING!

:rofl:

[emilyg]

26. Name calling is such a zing.

[ellisonz]

30. Pithy dismissal of the IWR will get your candidate called names...

[ellisonz]

24. Hillary Clinton = GWB's approach to politics.

[blm]

37. Some don't care that she will continue to protect BushInc just as Bill did

for Poppy Bush throughout the 90s.

And that's what makes some of us Democrats who DO care anti-corruption, open government Democrats and makes others 'don't care' Democrats.


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

There is no greater need in this nation than for an honest and open government accountable to the people.

The LAST thing this nation needs is the further protection of secrecy and privilege.

[pnwmom]

34. What do you want, sackcloth and ashes?

She's repeatedly said that she regrets the vote, and wouldn't have voted that way if she had known what Bush would do with it (pull the inspectors out and attack without UN approval), but that she did her best at the time.

[ellisonz]

36. What I want is her to admit that she didn't do her homework...

[pnwmom]

41. Oh, so she should have been a mindreader?

As a member of the Senate, she was fed even more "secret" and "classified" and false information than the general public. But she didn't know that Colin Powell's presentation was a pile of lies; no one could prove that then.

[ellisonz]

46. She should have known better than to listen to Bush/Cheney!

Even Nancy Pelosi knew that!

Just say no to wars of choice...

[Captain_Nemo]

15. She was the best up there. She actually thinks and it shows.

[fadedrose]

17. Too bad her supporters don't follow her example

[eridani]

18. Thinking of ways to avoid answering questions is no recommendation for anyone n/t

[Captain_Nemo]

47. Should she be more like Ralph Nader? Ross Perot? They said what they thought. Where are they now>?

[eridani]

51. Yes.

If your candidacy is annointed by the media, you have more leeway to tell the truth.

[Captain_Nemo]

52. And then a she wouldn't win becasue she would come out strongly in her beliefs about childrens

rights (which a lot of people hate the concept of) and women's rights (ditto) and human rights (ditto).

Even Obama hedged on license plates...he knows that is an emotinal issue and one has to tread carefully or risk losing Iowa.

YEs, I think it would be great if they all spoke their minds. I think it would be great if people like Nader could run and not fuck up the entire election for us.

But, we don't live in that type of country. Maybe one should think deeply about addressing these issues so as to promote ideas and dialogue instead of looking at it from a black and white perspective.

[eridani]

53. She would be far more convincing to me as a candidate if she spoke up on her main issues

The Rethugs don't seem to be paying any penalties for advocation crazy whacked out policies--why can't Dems speak up for more popular ones?

[Larkspur]

28. Hillary doesn't know what thinking is

but she's a great parrot of corporate talking points.

[Captain_Nemo]

48. That's not what I heard at the debate. I heard a person who could actually lead the country out of

this mess. I saw Edwards that way too. I saw Obama as a disaster in the making.

[ihavenobias]

38. The Best Is Right!

The best at raking in insane amounts of special interest money that will (and already have) effected her:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/hillary-clinton-a-bundle_b_70052.html

[The_Casual_Observer]

19. I guess you must think there are simple sound bite answers to

all the problems out there. Dream on.

[emilyg]

21. Don't agree with you.

[silverojo]

27. Thank you for expressing what I was too tired to say

Every time the other candidates attack her on the issues, she claims she's being attacked personally. Put on your big-girl panties and deal with it, Hillary--this is politics!

[pnwmom]

42. Big girl panties? Thanks for the reminder of how, for two hundred years,

it's the male gender card that has always been played in Presidential politics.

[cali]

29. stock sloganeering is not analysis.

people have differing motivations for why they attack her. Some because they feel she triangulates, some because they perceive her as being too cozy with corporate interests and the DLC. Some attack her because of her votes on war, and her ambiguous language. Others attack her because her name is Clinton, or because she's a woman, or some combination of all these things. But here's one thing that's true: She's better than any of her repuke counterparts on.... everything: On the environment, energy, war, choice, the SC, the Federal Bench, foreign relations and separation of church and state- to name just some issues. Anyone who insists that isn't so, is just drink koolaid and hallucinating a boogywoman that isn't there.

[Truth2Tell]

39. She's better than any of her repuke counterparts ??!!

And this is relevant in a Democratic primary how?

I hope that's not the best case you can make for her - that at least she's better than a Republican.

Barely.

[Perry Logan]

31. The more they bleat, the better she does. Americans are sick of anti-Clinton shit.

[Sancho]

32. which is, unfortunately, how the game is played!

so stop bashing and start realizing that the best candidate is the one that can produce a democratic win!

[bvar22]

33. K&R

Hillary would rather PLANT questions than answer them!

[rinsd]

35. Now I know Hillary kicked Edwards ass last night.

When ddclue goes into a complete hissy fit it is a sure sign Hillary is doing very well.

[Progressive Friend]

40. Exactly, Hillary Clinton is too right-wing on both foreign policy and economics

[illinoisprogressive]

43. Have to agree with you, DDeclue.

[williesgirl]

44. Amen - right on. rec'd

[mtnsnake]

45. Pipe down, ddeclue. The Goddess of Peace is about to become our next fine Democratic president

The lady has what it takes and she'll restore the honor and dignity to this country that Bush has taken away.

So show a little respect, will ya. :shrug:

[JTFrog]

50. Respect to the GOP? Not so much. n/t

[JDPriestly]

49. Everyone needs to read Naomi Klein's book, The Shock Doctrine

and then watch Our Brand Is Crisis. Hillary's big fan, James Carville, worked for the campaign of I think his name was Goni in Bolivia. This candidate was of Hillary's ideology -- pro-business, pro-globablization, pro-privatization -- all in the best interests of the people of course. Mind you, the privatization campaign was so extreme that they even tried to privatize the water -- including the rainwater -- pay to use rainwater. The Bolivians went to the streets to end the privatization of water. Goni was ousted. And of course, Bolivia now has Evo Morales. I'm not taking sides on Morales. He is supposedly from a coca farming family. But, James Carville's candidate left with his tale between his legs after his economic plans failed. The problem with Hillary is that she is a right-winger running as a Democrat. The right wing has already ruined the nation. Hillary cannot bring recovery. She is part of the problem. How can she solve the problem?

Everyone remembers Bill Clinton's presidency as the glory years. But what we Democrats need to remember is that Bill Clinton took office with a Democratic majority in Congress -- which he lost, and that Bill Clinton never built a really solid Democratic majority among voters. He was personally very popular, but he was unable to make the Democratic Party popular. That is because he didn't stand strongly for Democratic ideas. He was a lukewarm Democrat on many issues -- especially labor issues, poverty issues, environmental issues. It is not enough to support national parks. He failed to adequately fund clean alternative energy initiatives. He missed so many great opportunities to leave a truly Democratic legacy. It is actually very sad. And then there is NAFTA. We can't deal with any more NAFTAs. We have a few too many already.

[bigwillq]

55. I really liked this post.

I think you are so right when talking about Clinton's Democratic Legacy.

:thumbsup:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

56. You are absolutely right, and all the accusations from the Clinton worshippers

won't change the facts that you cite.

We've had over 20 years of right-wing extremism, and Ms. Clinton's corporation-coddling, warhawk wooing ways are NOT what we need to set things right.

And don't give me that blather about the Supreme Court. What did the Dems do when they had the chance to stop Roberts, or more recently, to block Mukasey's appointment? Yeah, yeah, I know they may not have enough votes to initiate their own agenda, but when they can't even muster the 50% plus 1 needed to BLOCK bad appointees and bad legislation, then it's clear that the party has been infiltrated by corporate puppets.

[itsrobert]

54. LOL; Don't hold back

Tell us how you really feel!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

57. I think she looked too stern in the last debate

she needs to smile more