We have the DLC , I think Dean's grassroot will be the opposite

[ProudToBeLiberal]

the grassroots organization isn't going anywhere and the grassroots are starting with influencing local elections. I think eventually they'll become a force in the democratic party, if not already.

[Democat]

1. Good, they can act as a counter balance to their perception of the DLC

This is the way you change the party, from within.

Not like Nader, trying his best to help Bush get elected.

[ShimokitaJer]

11. So how exactly is Dean "within" the party?

He is no longer a governor. The party leadership insured that he failed in his bid for the presidency. So how can you even begin to pretend he's changing from within?

Face facts: change will NEVER come from within. The party is a massive organization with the sole goal of perpetuating itself. Change will ONLY result from pressure from without, like Dean is about to exert, and like Nader has been exerting for the past thirty years.

[DebJ]

2. Gotta take back our party and our country. Can't stop. Change and

revolutions take time. I guess I've got about 35-40 more years I can put in!

[chocolateeater]

3. I think you are right. n/t

[DebJ]

4. Not only that, we're still voting Dean in primaries. Guess what? He is

still running. Just not 'actively campaigning'

[DaisyUCSB]

5. Dean was a DLC member until he retired from his governorship

Of course he never mentioned that when he started bashing it to liberal crowds

[ProudToBeLiberal]

6. and.....?

[DaisyUCSB]

7. And his ultra-negative campaign used congress-bashing, AND DLC-bashing

as a central theme of there campaign

[ProudToBeLiberal]

8. well that would give dean more authority wouldn't it?

Dean experienced the inner workings of the DLC. So he should have first hand experience of what it's wrong with it. DUH

[DrFunkenstein]

12. This Has To Win Some Sort of Spin Award

The rotations per minute is astounding!

[ProudToBeLiberal]

14. by the chance do you take physics?

[arendt]

9. Only Nixon could go to China n/t

[WatchWhatISay]

10. Well as long as I have been listening to him

He has said things a DLC member would never have the balls to say. And I hardly think he's the DLC's poster boy, considering the Al From's May 15, 2003 memo (http://www.rklau.com/tins/archives/2003/05/15/al_from_and_bruce_reed_attack_governor_dean.php)

On the other hand, Amy Goodman played John Kerry's testimony before the Congress given 30 years ago today. The words he spoke would have made all serious anti-war activists proud. Until I remembered how he voted this time around. He certainly forgot how he felt 30 years ago, or he would never have even thought to trust Bush to do the right thing.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/20/1535232

[kiahzero]

13. Sorry

That memo was after Dean started his salvo - it specifically mentions his "Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party" slam. Unless someone has an earlier anti-Dean memo, it appears Dean attacked first.

Is it any wonder the DLC fired back?