I don't think Obama is strong enough to be president.

[Renew Deal]

Obama is a great guy. I have seen him in person and I love him as a fellow Democrat. Personally, I feel like he's weak when facing confrontation. He doesn't act strongly. He skittish. The worst part about it is that he plays politics when necessary, and his answer on drivers licenses was terrible (of you can call it an answer). Overall, I don't think Obama is tough enough to run in the General Election.


Edit: The Clinton people think this is pro-Hillary. Let's not even get started with her.

[Colobo]

1. He's exactly what this country need. More brains, less "balls".

[MethuenProgressive]

57. Yeah, that worked great for Dukakis, didn't it?

An Obamarama cheering the fact his guy's "got no balls"!?!? :rofl:

[babylonsister]

2. Since you've been doing so much thinking, who do you think is? nt

[Renew Deal]

4. I hate to say it...

But Biden. And I actually hate to say it. I don't agree with him on a lot of stuff. But when it comes to shear experience and toughness, Biden has it. I'd like to say Edwards too, but I'm not sure if he's willing to be tough all the time.

[babylonsister]

9. None of us are ever going to find a candidate that we agree

with completely, that's a given. I do question the premise. Whomever 'debates' their counterpart, look at the counterparts. They are very bad. I think Obama on his worst day could whup 'em.
He's more cerebral, but I think that's a good thing.

Edit to add: Biden is a love and is smart, as is Dodd. But money talks too much; I wonder how that could even be turned around?

[Renew Deal]

12. He is more cerebral

There's no question. My worry is that he might get run over in a debate.

[babylonsister]

15. Who could possibly run over him? Think about it;

Rudy's a compulsive liar who will probably be outed and fall out, McCain? supports the war, Romney is a pretty boy full of stuffing, and a Mormon to boot, oh my!, and not even the religious right wants to support Huckabee. Did I miss someone?

[Renew Deal]

16. Rudy and Romney

They've got the tough guy thing down. Neither of them mind being nasty and dishonest.

[babylonsister]

19. They lack one trait - "smart". I really think Obama is

way smarter than the average bear, or rudy or romney.

[AtomicKitten]

3. pfft

:eyes:

[Renew Deal]

5. Substantive

Thanks!

[luckyleftyme2]

24. what we need

we need biden,obama,edwards and hillary in the arena. when the chit has settled anyone of them will be better than what we've had for 7 years.
remember the white house is ours to lose in 08-in fighting will do just that,always end your bitch with a good note-like obama doesn't have the experience-but he sure has the gift of gab.
biden is old and loud but-he sure knows what he's talking about.
edwards seems a little soft,but He was smart enough not to vote to keep the war going.
hillary seems to say different things from day to day but she can stand her ground with facts
when its needed.
remember the man in the office now has kept a war going on false information,in two years and american from the city who never held a weapon can be a green Beret or a navy seal,iraq can't train 400,000 soldiers in 6 years? thats a sad administration to admit that.
remember this administration took away your privacy rights. spent your future foolishly and will do anything to smear our candidates including posting in our threads posing as democrats.

stick up for your man/woman but don't smear their opponents and we will have a candidate that will win the whitehouse in 08,and take the others with them.
I see sect. of state,sect. of defense, and the best president and vice president team this country has had in years in our top people!
vote democrat in 08!

[Evergreen Emerald]

6. He is not strong enough to win the general election and he is not presidental material

yet.

[babylonsister]

7. And you're a Clinton supporter so you don't count in this thread.

:hi:

[Evergreen Emerald]

11. actually, I think everyone counts in the threads

I think Biden did the best tonight. I also think that Obama showed how weak he really is on foreign policy and in a clutch situation.

Biden just looked presidental tonight. Obama, Edwards did not.

[babylonsister]

14. How do you think your candidate did? nt

[Evergreen Emerald]

18. My candidate?

He was on his game tonight, but not given enough time. He also looked mad about it.

[babylonsister]

26. Ha! Have you switched candidates? Pray tell! nt

[Evergreen Emerald]

28. actually, if you go back and look at my posts

when I actually say who I support, you will know the answer to your question.

[Renew Deal]

32. Larouche?

:evilgrin:

[babylonsister]

33. Actually, I had a lengthy argument with you about your love for

Clinton. I am just surprised you changed your love. And your name is hard to forget.

[Colobo]

10. Obama > Hillary.

[Adelante]

8. I believe he is strong enough

I didn't think it showed as well tonight except in certain moments, but he's got it.

[calteacherguy]

13. For me, it's just the opposite.

He comes across as the strongest candidate because he has the most integrity.

[man4allcats]

17. I support Kucinich; not Obama, but

come on. After Dubya, anyone with an IQ above 3 is a contender.

[jillan]

20. I have no doubt that Obama will be President - one day.

Give me Obama in 8 years. He's too green.

[babylonsister]

29. Is he too green because Biden isn't? Bad idea imo. I really like

Biden and Dodd, but who will you support if they win nothing, and you have a choice of Clinton or Obama? Would you vote for Clinton because Obama is too 'green'?

JFK was the same age when he was prez...

[incapsulated]

39. It's not his age

JFK had two Senate terms under his belt before he ran.

[babylonsister]

41. So what is it, and who could do it better? I KNOW who could but... nt

[incapsulated]

42. He looks younger than he is....

And he has only been in the Senate for less than a single term. His national experience is lacking and he is making up for a lot of it with his natural political gifts but it is still his major drawback.

Honestly, I think Obama with 4-8 more years in the Senate would be hard to beat. But he chose to run now so he is going to have to deal with this.

[babylonsister]

43. You didn't answer my question. Who could manage this mess better? I'm almost

all ears. You tell me, and I'll either agree or disagree.

[incapsulated]

46. Manage this mess?

What do you mean, the mess the country is in?

Uh, just about most of the dems running with a few notable exceptions, honestly. I could make good arguments for most of them.

[babylonsister]

48. Right. The notable exception being Obama earlier. Got it. nt

[incapsulated]

52. No, that is NOT what I said

I said he would be much better with more experience, politically.

If you want to hear me say he is head and shoulders better than anyone else, though, I won't because he isn't.

FYI, the only person I don't want getting the nomination is Edwards. And Dennis isn't going to so there is really no point in debating that.

[babylonsister]

50. And BTW, what mess did you think I was referring to? nt

[incapsulated]

53. I had no idea, frankly. n/t

[jillan]

54. In that case, I would vote for Obama.

I just wish Obama had waited.

Don't get me wrong. I really like Obama. He is way up there in my little poll.

[incapsulated]

36. I wish he had waited myself

I think he has enormous potential but not enough experience.

And you only get to be the hot new thing once.

[CyberPieHole]

21. Obama's got NOjo; not MOjo...

His candidacy has come and gone. He needs to step aside and support Clinton in her campaign. Kucinich and Biden are both great candidates, but barring their winning the candidacy, I support Clinton.

[Renew Deal]

23. lol, OK

ra ra ra

[CyberPieHole]

35. OK, maybe that was a bit biased...

against Obama. But he didn't do well in tonight's debate. How's that?:shrug:

[Adelante]

31. Oh, please

"He needs to step aside and support Clinton in her campaign"

Spare us.

[CyberPieHole]

37. Perhaps "step aside" is a bit rash...

but I am sure Clinton would like to have his support.:evilgrin:


I'm just funnin here a bit...please bear with me.:hi:

[Adelante]

38. Okey dokey

:hi:

[CyberPieHole]

40. I've been sipping more than one Cosmopolitan since the debate began...

sorry if I step on any toes. I really mean well. I like all the candidates and I would vote for any one of them in the General Election...:toast:

[babylonsister]

44. She is the absolute LAST person I will vote for. UGH!!! nt

[CyberPieHole]

59. I feel the same way about Obama...

Fortunately, that possibility is slim to none.

[jonnyblitz]

22. he has rubbed me wrong from the start and, as time has gone

forward, he hasn't failed to disappoint and re-affirm why i think he is a vapid, empty-suit with a cult-like following.

[Danieljay]

25. And Bush is? n/t

[BenDavid]

27. I tried to tell you all last week to watch

for HRC to come out bold and take no crap from anyone. She did just that against Obama and more so against Edwards. She was the bear, a damn grizzley in the debate. HRC captured this debate within the first 15 minutes, and from there forward she controled the debate and the tone of the debate was changed. I was very proud of the way she came out and in the one instance with an exchange from Obama and the license, HRC answered with a single word NO! Obama got trapped into the exact thing he found fault with HRC in the last debate, and instead of having one answer, he had two. When HRC answered an emphatic NO, Obama was chopped off at the knees..

Great debate HRC.

Ben David

[Renew Deal]

30. What does this have to do with this thread?

IDK

[babylonsister]

34. Are you on drugs? nt

[kelligesq]

45. I think he's a real master of double speak and a bag of hot air. n/t

.

[Renew Deal]

47. That's Hillary

She's got a masters with honors.

[babylonsister]

49. Why, pray tell? I'm curious, because I think he's a wonderful, thoughtful

person who wants to do right by my country. So lay it on me. What's so horrific?

[saltpoint]

51. I've mostly known of Barack Obama from the campaign in Illinois.

Most of the progressive press spoke of his candidacy in that race against Alan Keyes as if there was no real point in Keyes even being in the race, a notion borne out by the final vote for that Senate seat.

Kerry asked Obama to give the keynote address at the Boston convention. Obama delivered a masterpiece. Joan Didion believes that the ability to think for one's self depends on the master of language. I believe she's right, and if she is, Obama's landmark address will be in current DUers' grandkids' and great-grandkids' history books.

It deserves to be. It was a magnificent speech, forcefully and persuasively delivered.

We'll see that Obama soon.

He's been there all along is my guess.

[babylonsister]

56. Thinking about that speech still gives me goosebumps. I

remember thinking,who the heck is that? I was very impressed, too.

[ginchinchili]

55. He really needs more experience.

If he keeps working hard and learning, and making good decisions, I'll be voting for him in the future, but I really wonder about those who are supporting his presidency now. They think just being smart is enough. It's not, for heaven's sake.

[THUNDER HANDS]

58. I think he is

I don't think you'll see him at his best until a few weeks before the caucus.