Winners: Clinton, Biden. Loser: Edwards.

[Colobo]

Obama got the 3rd place after Clinton and Biden.

[Captain Hilts]

1. Biden seemed very comfortable and Obama seemed tentative. nt

[monmouth]

3. Biden was awesome...

[PDittie]

57. He makes it tolerable to stand Edwards, right?

You left that last part off.

[TwilightGardener]

2. I agree with your rankings.

[ellisonz]

4. Wah?

Obama, Edwards, Richardson. Loser: Clinton.

[Adelante]

5. I agree with that

I thought Dodd did well, too.

[Cameron27]

6. I agree

but Kucinich and Dodd did great too.

[mtnsnake]

25. Yup, in addition, Kucinich and Dodd did do well, too

I agree with you about that, and of course with the OP that Clinton won and Edwards lost. Obama stumbled a couple times badly, especially on the licenses for illegal immigrants. He's the one of the ones who gave Hillary so much grief for stumbling on it last time, yet his stumbling on the same issue tonight was even worse. OTOH, I thought Obama was good when he was talking about unity, diplomacy, and going after Bush. I don't think we'd have to worry if either him or Clinton win the nod. Both are pretty powerful.

[liberalnurse]

7. I agree..........

Clinton slapped the boys good and Biden showed everyone he is enormously qualified.............Very Presidential!



Joe Biden......:yourock:

[Colobo]

10. I don't rock- I dislike Clinton.

I'm not in your camp.

[Godhumor]

46. I think she was saying Biden rocked n/t

[faithfulcitizen]

8. Agree, but kinda think Obama was a loser tonight too.

:shrug:

[Clintonista2]

9. Obama was terrible

[Joe the Revelator]

16. I think "terrible" is an absurd overstatment.

nt

[wyldwolf]

11. I think the audience reactions swayed people's opinions on the performances

[Colobo]

13. So, what are your rankings?

[Joe the Revelator]

17. It help that it would appear that Hillary planted the "boos"

[Cameron27]

39. That's just sour grapes talking

Democrats generally hate it when other Democrats are compared to republicans.

[Warpy]

12. Lurking in chat tonight

Winner there was Richardson. Yeah, really!

Second was Biden.

People loved what Kucinich has to say, think he looks "weird."

Consensus was that Edwards was having an off night and that Hillary was bobbing and weaving too much.

[butterfly77]

61. Did you have on your hearing aid...

and glasses because, there is no way that Richardson won. He was in last place as always. It was Biden, Clinton, and Dodd. Edwards does not go into specifics he just gets loud. Obama was off...

[Warpy]

63. Honey, hearing aids aren't any good in chat

and I'm just reporting what I read.

You're shooting the messenger.

Shame.

[butterfly77]

65. Honey, Something must be missing if

you really and truly believe that Richardson won, he reminds me of Edwards they just give a list of things they will do with out any type of explaination of how they are going to do it.

[Debi]

14. Just showed Clinton/Campbell Brown back and forth

x( I just don't like it.

[NoSheep]

15. Clinton won? re soc.sec: The firefighter comment? No pay over 90,000?

My god i can't believe anyone thinks she even belongs in the democratic party.

[MissDeeds]

22. She belongs in the DLC

Not the party of the people.

[sandnsea]

24. She's on the DLC leadership team

Bill spoke at this year's convention. They are firmly DLC and for the upper class.

[Yael]

28. Well said

You will likely get shit for this statement, but know you aren't alone.

[NoSheep]

35. Bring it on!

[jsamuel]

18. What do you know? All the Obama people think Edwards lost.

[sandnsea]

21. The booing was awful

I really don't know how that is going to play, it really made him look bad.

[jsamuel]

27. Obama was getting booed too. Probably Clinton supporters booing Obama and Edwards.

[sandnsea]

49. That's what I figured

I was just commenting on those instances where Edwards got booed miserably, and I think unfairly, and that it made him look bad.

I am really sad that some of these candidates don't understand how sick of politics as usual people are and that they do the pander to the "mud slinging" b.s. that isn't mud slinging at all.

[Clintonista2]

23. Edwards DID lose

He was terrible.

[Texas_Kat]

36. Edwards worst moment

When Dodd implied that all the attacks were 'shrill'. Edwards reacted as though Dodd were talking directly to him (and he was).

[Clintonista2]

37. I would say his worst moment was his attempted "plant" joke

Completely wasted it, I felt embarassed for him.

[sandnsea]

19. Clinton had several stumbles

I wouldn't call her the winner any more than Obama. He had several great moments. Don't forget, this is a debate for Democrats and Democrats don't think like Hillary.

Biden did terrific.

[oasis]

66. "Democrats don't like Hillary".

Here we go again. :eyes:

[MichDem10]

20. Edwards - Obama tie , Biden Loser: Clinton

Hillary came across very shrill and venomous. This will turn off southern male voters.(a recipe for GE defeat)

[Texas_Kat]

45. Nope, that meme is history

Elon University poll of 5 southern states....North Carolina, Virginia, South Carolina, Georgia and Florida

On the Democratic ticket, Hillary Clinton has a huge lead over Barack Obama, and John Edwards is in a distant third. Clinton has 45 percent of the vote compared to Obama with 17 percent and Edwards with just 11 percent in his home state.

http://news14.com/content/headlines/589678/elon-poll--clinton--giuliani-lead-in-south/Default.aspx

Edited to add MOE and specifics from another source:

New poll shows Clinton leads in the South
By ROB CHRISTENSEN
Raleigh News & Observer
John Edwards, a former senator from North Carolina, often portrays himself as the Democratic presidential candidate who has the best chance of winning some red states, particularly in the South.

But a new poll of voters in five Southern states shows New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton ahead by a decisive margin.

Clinton leads in the region with 45 percent, compared to 17 percent for Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and 11 percent for Edwards, according to an Elon University Poll released Thursday.

The survey questioned 1,374 residents in North Carolina, Virginia, South Carolina, Florida and Georgia on Nov. 4-8 and 12-14. The poll by the Elon University Institute for Politics and Public Policy had a margin of error of plus or minus 2.7 percent.

http://www.kansascity.com/445/story/362588.html

[goodgd_yall]

47. Shrill and venomous? Didn't see that AT ALL

It was here positions that I didn't care for, but her presentation was fine.

Biden acted eccentric and that I didn't like.

HRC and Kucinich gave the most pissy looks of the evening, but only Kucinich had a right to. Again, he was passed over too many times.

[gateley]

26. I think the Edwards planted question joke was PAINFUL - and stupid. He lost.

[Yael]

29. Which one was that?

My connection kept going in and out and I missed quite a few chunks.

[Clintonista2]

34. Wolf asked him a question and Edwards was like: "are you a plant?"

It was COMPLETELY out of place. You could actually hear coughs in the audience after he said it.

[venable]

31. maybe it wasn't funny but is that what we care about?

or do we care that he is calling things as they are, perhaps the only one besides Kucinich doing so.

[gateley]

40. I thought it was painfully transparent and not needed at all. I didn't think it

was a smart question to ask, didn't reflect well on him.

[Cameron27]

41. He's not calling things as they are

which Kucinich was trying to point out. Dennis was furious with Edwards especially after he tossed his condescending "cute" remark at him.

[venable]

53. i agree about the cute remark, but please acknowledge my prior post

about Dennis being justifiably aggravated at the opponents most like himself who get all the attention - ie Dean in 04 and Edwards now.

You must admit this is clear. I think Dennis is greatly wronged by the msm, and was in 04 as well.

[goodgd_yall]

48. Yeah, it was bad, but most people didn't even notice

Except a few of us.;-)

[MonkeyFunk]

30. I agree

Clinton did very very well, Biden was a joy to watch. Edwards was pure suckage.

[PatSeg]

54. Suckage?

:rofl:

[AtomicKitten]

32. I thought Obama did better than third.

I was really happy with his performance.

Edwards moderated his attack mode but still got in some zingers.

Biden was terrific.

Dodd and Kucinich did well.

Bill Richardson just doesn't float my boat.

And I gotta say I thought Hillary was obnoxious. Funny if she ultimately takes the same knock Edwards did last debate for being that kind of aggressive.

[polichick]

33. Clinton held her own, Biden was very impressive imo. nt

[surfermaw]

38. Biden, was excellent at times

however at time he was kind of silly, still think he will make Edwards an excellent V.P.

[MalloyLiberal]

42. Obama won

[ElizabethDC]

43. I agree with you, Katz.

And I must also thank you for being honest with us about how you feel and not reflexively saying that your candidate won.

[goodgd_yall]

44. Biden was annoying

There, I wrote it. I'm not getting it about all the kudos for Biden. I didn't like him tonight, though I have been impressed in other debates.

My ranking for what it's worth:

1st: Dodd, Kucinich
2nd: Edwards
3rd: Richardson
4th: Biden
5th: Clinton, Obama

[SaveElmer]

50. Biden always does well...but I agree Obama was better than Edwards...

Tonight...and Hillary was most definitely on her game

[ecstatic]

51. Edwards was horrible tonight... totally exposed. And his

"joke:" Is that a planted question? Was not funny, just immature and nasty.

[butterfly77]

62. Correct! he tells us how bad Bush is ...

which we all know but he never gives any specifics about world politics. He was shocked when Kucinich call him on his hypocrisy. He thought that he would gain points by continuing on from the last debate I cracked up when I saw the look on his face when Kucinich called him out...

[William769]

52. As for the debate, I give Biden 1st place.

[PatSeg]

55. I agree

Hillary did very well too, very composed and professional, but Biden stood out from the rest.

[bigwillq]

56. Me too (nt)

[PDittie]

58. It doesn't matter, since

Biden's going nowhere anyway.

[mrfixit]

59. Winner: Kucinich in 5:37. Period. Here's PROOF:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYWWBwf2wHE

Runners up, Biden, Dodd.

Losers, Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Richardson.

The only questions HRC did OK on were those lobbed to her by Blitzen, designed to allow her to re-address her gaffes from the previous debate with memorized talking points. Check her responses like "asbestos pantsuit," "pearls or diamonds" and "boys' club" and CRINGE, America!!! How brainwashed can Dems get? She got a do-over, knew the questions, had responses OBVIOUSLY memorized and STILL managed to lose. Only an obviously partisan MSM could say she won ANYTHING last night.

Next debate, we'll all be looking for the "hump."

[Basileus Basileon]

60. I'd agree completely. nt

[cobalt1999]

64. That's how I score it also.

Biden was the biggest winner (he may see a jump in his numbers), Clinton and Obama probably didn't do anything to gain support (which Obama needs to do quickly), and Edwards was the loser.

[designanddraft]

67. the losers not the winners

honestly i can't believe anyone thinks that any of these people are winners. they all lost; lost their cool, lost my respect, lost their souls for selling out the american people by putting the blame on everyone but themselves to support a government that no longer serves it's people and is killing the world. no one wants to talk about mike gravel because the current government and the media don't want you to know that you/we the people can win. watch some of the videos on the internet of gravel and if you still want to vote for someone else then at least also vote for the national initiative so that this winning you're talking about can stop making everyone else loose.