Fuck Ralph Nader!

[mouse7]

- We needed a matching set.

- Because Ralph Nader deciding he's going to take right wing money to screw things up for Democrats, he deserves to be told to fuck off.

[Red_Storm]

1. the fuck is goings on .........

with all the fuck threads?

[floridaguy]

3. I don't know, but it's kinda fucking funny. (n/t)

[floridaguy]

4. Oh I forgot, Ralph Nader is an egotistical fuck!

[Hav]

5. .

some idiot started a "fuck Kerry" thread,had 100 posts and the rabid Kerry haters here were having orgasms.
I guess these "fuck" threads now are just making fun of that.

[molly]

2. Yea!!

[mot78]

6. Allow me to paraphrase Skittles for a moment

FUCK YOU NADER YOU SCRAWNY SACK OF SHIT. YOU GO OFF AND FUCK YOURSELF AND STOP WARSHIPPING BUSH*!!!

[Feanorcurufinwe]

7. Ralph isn't as bad as the fools who will vote for him.

At least he is so blinded by his own ego that he cares more about self-aggrandizement than the good of the country or the planet.


What's their excuse?

[Hav]

8. .

:: Raises fist ::

Voting against Kerry!!


signed,
The Principled

[GreenArrow]

9. I won't be voting for Ralph this time

but he's no more egotistical, than say, John Edwards. Or George Bush. Or Bill Clinton. He's probably actually less egotistical than those three.

[HuskerDem]

26. Like Hell

He serves no purpose now other than to jack off his own ego. Period.

[GreenArrow]

27. He's no more egotistic than any of the others

and over his career, he's done more good for the country than the others I've mentioned put together. As to his running this year, I think it's a foolish thing to do, but he has the right to do so, as uncomfortable as that makes a lot of people.

[HuskerDem]

38. I reiterate, his sole purpose is to masturbate his ego.

That makes him more egotistical.

Of course it's his right, everybody has the right to jack off, so does he. But to pretend that Nader's past history as an opportunistic whore that happened to have a noble cause somehow makes up for his current self-massage as an opportunistic whore with no clue is .......... :silly: .

He just can't seem to stop himself. Oh well, he is getting really old in more ways than the obvious. We can always hope for heart disease, stroke, aortic aneurysms, preferably something quick.

[littlejoe]

40. Well I wish he would hurry up and cum!

[wryter2000]

10. Is that true?

Is Nadir really going to take right-wing money? I never thought he was that low.

[mouse7]

12. He took oil company money in 2000. n/t

[ozone_man]

18. Looks like Kerry is in the pocket of big oil and labor.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4302564/

(excerpt)

MATTHEWS: How about ANWR? You guys want to see ANWR because you want to see guys working in your business. I guess there‘s a lot of Teamsters jobs up there lined up and organized, if you could put a pipeline up to the Alaska wilderness. He is against that.

HOFFA: Well, we talked about that.

He says, look, I am against ANWR, but I am going to put that pipeline in and we‘re going to drill like never before.

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: What, are they going to run water through it?

(CROSSTALK)

HOFFA: ... more jobs than the ANWR would have ever created.

MATTHEWS: What are they going to run through the pipeline?

HOFFA: And that‘s the position he‘s taking.

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: But he is against drilling up there. What are they going to run through the pipeline?

HOFFA: Well, they are going to drill all over, according to him. And he says, we‘re going to be drilling all over the United States. And he says that is going to create more jobs.

(CROSSTALK)

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS: You got that guy rolling.

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: What position was he in when he made all these promises?

(CROSSTALK)

(LAUGHTER)

[NV1962]

20. Looks like you're in the pocket of pathological liar Hoffa

Haha!

[ozone_man]

28. Kerry just took the support of a pathological liar?

Not that I disagree with you mind you. If you go to bed with dogs, you wake up with fleas.

Also, even if he is a pathological liar, it doesn't mean he wasn't telling Mathews the truth. Does Kerry have a recent position on ANWR, or better yet, has he said anything about this interview?

[NV1962]

30. a few, yes

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2003_1109b.html
"John Kerry has a long history of standing up to special interests on behalf of the environment. He has stood up to stop acid rain, to stop Bush and the Republicans from drilling in ANWR, and has fought for higher fuel efficiency standards. Kerry will bring his commitment to the environment and courage to fight special interests to the White House."


http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2002_0122.html
"When California was desperate for electricity they proposed drilling in ANWR even though only 1% of California's electricity was oil based and not an additional drop would appear for 10 years. I was publically warned by Trent Lott that the lights were literally about to go out in Massachusetts, all my constituents were going to freeze to death in the dark, and I would bear responsibility. For the record, I would like to note that the electricity is still on. In fact, we even had enough power to keep the stadium lights burning as the New England Patriots literally slid by Oakland last Saturday night.

When California resolved its crisis and the economy turned down, they then began to argue ANWR was a jobs program even though studies show far more, far better jobs in other endeavors and that all their estimates were based on false analysis. No matter.

Now the proponents are more interested in arousing our fears than in discussing the facts.

The latest claim cleverly suggests that ANWR can become a replacement for oil from Saudi Arabia or Iraq. The quick reaction of everyone is to welcome the image of freedom from buying oil from those linked with terrorism. The problem is that's all it is - an image. First, the refuge would not even reach peak production until 20 years from now. It cannot possibly impact the war we wage today.

More importantly - recognizing that under the Administration's own proposals we will be more dependent on imported oil in 2020 than we are today and that increasing demand for oil will quickly gobble up whatever comes from small U.S. supplies, it is impossible to U.S. produce our way out of dependency and avoid the increasing demand curve. The United States has only 3% of the world's reserves to be matched against the fact that we use 25% of the world's supply. And guess what - Saudi Arabia has 46% of the world's reserves. The solution is not in ANWR - it's in less dependency on oil itself.

Perhaps the most bitter irony amid all their claims of the need to drill, are the more than 7,000 existing leases for oil and gas exploration in the Gulf of Mexico - 80% of which, covering 32 million acres, are not producing oil because they're being mapped or sit idle as companies wait for the price of oil to rise to maximize profits. Last May the State of Alaska completed a lease sale of 950,000 acres on the North Slope, the largest lease by any state in history and has announced another seven million acres will be put up for lease this year. The Department of Interior is putting three million acres of federal land from the National Petroleum Reserve up for sale. Maybe one day someone could make an argument for the need to drill in the refuge, but the industry's inaction in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska proves that time is not now -- and it won't ever have to come if we make wise choices."


http://www.johnkerry.com/communities/enviros/record.html
“Democratic Senator John Kerry promised to try and block the bill when it arrives in the Senate. ‘I will filibuster any effort to drill in the refuge. It will never pass the Senate.’ ”

[mouse7]

46. Can't insult 3 million Teamsters because their leader is a goof

There's a lot of great Teamsters. Unfortunately, they have a less than optimal leader.

[Catholic Sensation]

31. you know there was another thread on this

and the person who didn't realize Hoffa was joking was flamed into admitting that she messed up. You see the "(LAUGHTER)"? They knew Hoffa was joking. It wasn't that subtle.

[joyautumn]

19. false

don't lie on top of insulting -- the issue was, if you recall, that he held stock in a mutual fund which included oil company and some other unsavory stock. we raised hell with him about it and his response was that he has always worked against the interests of oil companies and would gladly see his stock plummet as the result of his campaigning. his record is clean on that -- he has never pulled any punches on any corporation that he held stock in. he socks it to them no matter what.

on the contrary, part of his plan to take America back from the corporate elite has always been to energize voters, stockholders and consumers in a three-pronged citizens' movement to lay seige to the public commons that have been usurped by the elite.

[NoPasaran]

33. It's all green on the back

The hell of it is that I can remember way back (before half the folks on this board were born) when "Nader's Raiders" were heroes to folks like us.
Whoda thunk he'd end up an even bigger egotistical sack of shit than Ross Perot?

[ozone_man]

11. Politics makes strange bedfellows.

Not many were complaining about Al Sharpton receiving financing from a right winger (Stone). The left fractured itself, as it is so good at doing, by having Kucinch and Sharpton syphoning off Dean votes. And i don't know if this was done as a conspiracy or not.

Now that Dean is out I'm tempted to vote for Nader, but I think I'll stick with Dean as a write-in. ABKB I say.

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[blondeatlast]

14. SCOTUS. eom

[RichM]

15. Darn it, I wanted to say that!

You beat me to it. :-)

[mouse7]

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[absyntheNsugar]

21. A saint?????

A saint like Bernardo de Guy....

He's an egotistical asshole and I wish him ill....

[janx]

22. In that case, Nader would be either a saint--

or an opportunist.

The timing is certainly interesting. ;-)

[mobuto]

24. And Lucifer was an angel

If you vote for Nader, you're voting four more years.

[formernaderite]

29. Bullshit....If all of you democrats actually voted.....

...there would be no issue of Nader "stealing" the democrats votes. The whole notion that he stole votes is putrid. Think about how many first time voters he attracted to the voting process itself.

Yet, it's the green party's fault that their voters don't vote democrat?
I know alot of Libertarians who also vote third party, some of them voted for the Greens just to bump their numbers up. How would you feel if they decided the lesser of two evils were the repukes? This type of whining means you are nervous your candidate won't get enough support within his own party!!!!

[mobuto]

32. Don't tell me what to do,

I'm asking you.

Is defeating George Bush important to you?

If it is, you should vote for the only candidate who can beat him - the Democratic candidate.

For me, beating George Bush is important. I plan of voting Democratic.

[NV1962]

37. Are that poor a GOP plant that you mix up Nader and the Green Party?

Study you facts and the RW's talking points memo a bit better next time.

[formernaderite]

44. That's right don't address my point, call me a repuke instead...

...of asking "why" such a large part of the electorate chooses not to particpate in the electoral process. It's just so much easier to point fingers at third party voters. So in your conspiracy ridden world, the far left progressives who decided they would actually bother voting for a candidate in 2000, were more at fault that Gore lost than perhaps democrats in his own party opting out of voting at all.
Frankly, I'm not surprised at the responses...it's so much easier than actually attracting the non-voting public. Of course we had a candidate, Howard Dean, that was attracting non-voters to participate. However, the status quo democrats decided that what they really needed was a "strategic" candidate, not one with real convictions. Fine...that was your choice. I get to vote in the primary soon too. Understand that some of us are still very upset with what happened to the Dean candidacy.

[littlejoe]

41. Hey everybody, it's a "greenie"!

[AgadorSparticus]

50. repeat message

[AgadorSparticus]

53. No, he didn't steal the votes. He SPLIT the votes--and lied his ass off

He appealed to the idealistic voters knowing full well he won't ever have to deliver on his unrealistic promises because he knew he'd never win. He's just a clever liar. It turned out to be, at best, a fucked up political statement. It's such a good scam for the repugs, they couldn't come up with better if they tried.

[NV1962]

17. Screw him and the crypto-fascists that vicariously thrive on misery

Funny that, I keep raising this issue and I only got a single reply from... a Dean supporter! Bless him/her and Dean - for having the courage to say and do what's necessary, and not what simply "looks good" but won't ever be done in one or two terms.

Odd huh, how well the far left is in lockstep with the far right.

Well fuck 'em all.

[janx]

23. That's because the mainstream politicians, the ones

pushed by their own party and given breaks by the media, don't have the guts to do what's right--only what's politically convenient.

[NV1962]

42. Exactly

Which is why I respect Dean and (still) support Clark...

But even without them in this "race" I'll continue pushing for reform from within the Democratic Party.

Too much is at stake for comfort...

[HuskerDem]

25. AMEN BABY ! n/t

[lurk_no_more]

34. And his supporters too!

Assholes!

[mitchum]

35. No thanks...he's one ugly motherfucker

[question everything]

36. Watch it. He may say thank you ;-) n/t

[PVnRT]

39. Nah, I don't swing that way

n/t

[David Dunham]

43. Nader as an independent will not even get on the ballot in many states

[Tinoire]

45. Kerry folks all in arms about Nader. Dean supporters weren't so scared

I wonder if there's a message in there for those who care to ponder...

[mitchum]

47. This Kerry supporter isn't scared because I know that many of you...

don't have any money left to fund Ralph's vanity parade (after you blew it on the Vermont grifter)

Blanket condemnation meet blanket condemnation

[NV1962]

49. Wrong target

Try instead: Dean, Clark, Lieberman, Gephardt, Moseley Braun and Graham supporters have less to fear from Nader because, well, they're arguing over who really coulda woulda won the elections next November.

[Name removed]

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[mouse7]

52. You're not my type.

Nader sleeps with oil companies. I won't sleep with those who are comfortable with using right wing money to screw with the effort to send Dumbya back to his Crawford pig farm.

[Piperay]

51. Rot in Hell Nader

cause you have brought hell to this country by putting in chimp! :grr: :nuke:

[raysr]

54. nader