Why Hillary Clinton must not be the Democratic Nominee

[itsrobert]

Because the Democrats have several better candidates than Sen Hillary Clinton.

And I have faith that substance will win out over an empty pant suit.

[billbuckhead]

If there are so many better candidates why is Hillary clubbing them like baby seals?

[mtnsnake]

2. Bingo! nt

[Froward69]

3. they are capitalizing on the

publics ignorance and misinformation. isolating her supporters from debate. they are told to Ignore others opposition and debate.

[itsrobert]

4. The cream will rise to the top

Good analogy, she has so far use heavy handed dirty fighting to get where she is at today. The seals will rise up and and smash her like a giant beach ball. She is full of hot air. ;)

[Vincardog]

14. Is Hillary clubbing them like baby seals? Just because the Corporate Controlled Media says she is.

Where is she on the issues?
Universal single payer health CARE?
No she wants mandatory INSURANCE.
Ending the illegal occupation of Iraq?
No she wants troops fighting and dieing until 2013 at least.
Full employment at a living wage?
No she supports letting PERU into NAFTA.
Repealing NAFTA and withdrawing from the WTO?
No she supports legalizing illegal immigrants to depress our wages and fatten corporate profits.

What issue does Hill stand with us on?
She is not a registered Republican that is it.

[truedelphi]

19. Universal Single Payer --

If Kucinich was to receive fifty cents for his stnd on Single Payer for
every dollar Clinton receives for her keeping business pretty much as usual,
we could have Dennis taking over her polling numbers and securing the nomination.

We've gotta end corporte sponsorship of the electoral process. It is that simple.

[gateley]

15. Yikes! Your choice of analogy might be very telling.... nt

[derby378]

27. Three simple letters: D-L-C

They chose John Kerry in 2004, and they have no desire to let progressives run the debate this time around, either. Al From saw Howard Dean as a threat to be neutralized, but little did From know that Dean would get the chairmanship of the DNC as a "consolation prize" for being denied the 2004 nomination.

[Froward69]

1. I agree

her campaign is about mis information and front loading the delegates. intimidating opposition within caucus.

[MNDemNY]

5. Yes, If Biden, or Kucinich could only get the Nomination.

[Bitwit1234]

6. Where in the hell are they

Obama sucks...Edwards is better but he doesn't have the cash.....It is a shame that the Obama Cult thinks he is going anyplace.

[MNDemNY]

8. Keep it close.....President Gore!!

[Froward69]

7. I attended Hillary "Leadership conference"

Re con of the "Hillary Machine"

I missed the JJ diner. On C-span, Please fill me in…
I was alerted to the Hillary machine weeks ago, and after receiving a slew of calls concerned me as to her campaigns intentions, motives and potential usurping of the delegate process.
Today I attended a Hillary “Leadership Conference.” To learn about Hillary's political “Machine”,
It was a long affair 6 hours, I learned a thing or two about it.
As the Caucasus and ultimately the election of delegates to the national convention is where the rubber hits the road ( all of us Bidenites know he would simply shred rudy or any other the repubes put against him.) the nomination is the first Goal. This is where The Hillary campaign is concentrating. ( And are in complete denial of her weaknesses Insofar as debating a repube.)
A few points us bidenites should learn from, and develop a plan of our own.
IN no particular order.
The “Leaders” are told to create a personal buzz surrounding their support. Easy for us Bidenites as this is what is happening already.
The "Leaders" are advised that if someone wants to discuss their support of hillary, or to debate for a different candidate, “to simply Ignore them, their candidate, their arguing points” and (inferred to )paint them as crazy or out of the main stream.
This one gives me realization to as why Hillary folk disengage very quickly…
The goal of the campaign is to have precinct leaders in every caucus precinct. NO EXCUSES! And what disturbs me “If there is no precinct leader in a given precinct a week before Feb 5 (I assume that applies to all caucus dates, in all states. feb 5 is when this state goes.) then one will be assigned regardless of residency in that given precinct. “ this one I have difficulty with as to me it is carpet bagging/bombing.
The rest of the “Conference” (it struck me as a get rich quick seminar) was about how to phone bank for hillary out of your own homes. They had lists of targeted dem voters, those who caucus. To call them and mark Hillary Obama or Edwards. (Joe falls under other) and to talk up HHillary's “Experience” and urge for the good of America for them to vote for hillary. Because … and a list of laughable traits of hillarys emphasizing “Experience.” Then advised If you run out of numbers to call, or visit their web site they will furnish more. As well as basic dispositions of the called to be reported back to the campaign.
If they hear of an event in your community at which they think hillary presence would be important to report that event, Along with how many people will be there, the where and what fours.

of the crowd of 250 mostly were angry women. All of those I talked to (7). Were incredibly misinformed, About Joe Biden and Hillary. The presenters were careful not to mention Joe Biden AT ALL! All through the “conference”.
During the “Mockus” Joe Biden was eliminated completely. Never mentioned. Seemed pained to not mention Joe at all. I wanted to rush the gym floor and create a ruckus. It made me mad. Although spotted as a mole by others from the local dem party. I successfully played it off as trying to gather garb for the state office lobby table.
I left before the assignment of phone numbers. So not to arouse more suspicion. However I felt that her campaign is about distraction, insulating supporters from rational debate. And Spiking caucus sites with supporters to slant the outcomes in her favor.
Regardless who would be the better President. It seemed more about putting Hillary in the office she deserves. Rather than the person the office deserves.

[Yael]

9. I haven't seen Biden's speech on YouTube yet

But it was brilliant. No question.

I still think Edwards carried the night though.

Edwards' and Obama's clips are in the Video forum. I will watch for Biden's and post it as soon as I see it if no one else has yet.

[MLFerrell]

10. An empty pantsuit would be more trustworthy than CLIN-TON.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. What Does CLIN-TON Mean?

Is she obese?

She strikes me as having an average BMI...

[MLFerrell]

32. Watch the Simpsons halloween special from 1996...

That should clear up your confusion.

All hail me, President Clin-Ton!

[benddem]

11. Biden?

the guy who is in the pocket of the credit card industry, mbna, corporations???? I agree he makes sense but his voting record is DEPLORABLE. Look who his contributors are.

[Froward69]

12. sure benddem, you too OK??

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=F03

[demommom]

13. Have you actually

researched his record or just a couple of things that you disapprove of or have heard about.

It is not generally thought that Biden has a deplorable voting record.

And I am curious as to who you think his contributors are? The majority of his contributors are folks like me and perhaps you, every day average working people. That is why he does not have the money that the "frontrunner's" do.

If you are for someone else ok, but be sure what you say about another candidate is true because you took the time to find out.

[gateley]

17. Yeah, he's rolling in it. Why, just look at the HUGE war chest he's got!

You need to check out the link Froward provided before you embarrass yourself further.

[lyonn]

18. Damn, I wish mbna, corps, industry would start coughing up the money??

for Biden. What are they waiting for? Or, did they spend it on those that have already performed for them in congress in a Big way?

[PatSeg]

21. No, actually it is just as well that they don't contribute to

Biden. He gets another flack for his bankruptcy vote.

[lyonn]

28. Was just kiddin'. Making a point that some candidates

seem to be getting plenty from the corporations, but it's not Biden.

We have had enough corp. rule in this country, it's our turn to run the country. Pretty sure we can make a fantastic difference!

[PatSeg]

29. I really hope that "it's our turn to run the country"

That time is long overdue. If we don't turn things around soon, it could be too late.

[PatSeg]

20. I have looked at his contributors

Some of them are right HERE and people like us. Corporations are not backing Biden and his voting record is hardly deplorable. Any senator will have votes that people disagree with, but I am looking at the big picture and I don't see what you are seeing.

[paulk]

16. you've really put a lot of thought into this, I take it?

I mean, you've presented such a deep and well put together argument...

[BenDavid]

22. Well hell! Lets break all this down then about what you

say " democrats have several better candidates. Will not comment about the sexist remark. Now it might be true we have candidates that are good on the economy, good on foreign relations, good fiscal discipline, etc etc etc, but HRC has all tjis combined within her and that makes her the most qualified and experienced candidate....

Just watch her on Thursday night when she shows exactly why she will be the nominee and will beat any republican they throw at her.

Ben David

[laugle]

25. I wish people would comment more on the

sexist threads. Read mine up-thread, for a laugh!

It's nice to hear from a male on this subject.....

[Josiah1982]

23. "empty pant suit"?

That is rather harsh. Do you have a more substantive reason for claiming that Clinton "must not be the Democratic nominee"?

[laugle]

24. And I have faith that a pant-suit will win out over a

penis........LOL........I couldn't resist....since your post is silly and lacks substance........

[Rowdyboy]

26. Hate much?

Soon we'll have a nominee and the trashing will have to go away....

[Perry Logan]

31. Why threads beginning with the word "why" must always be ignored...