No more People Magazine candidates (like Hillary); we need an FDR-type (Edwards)

[brentspeak]

Support Edwards and his goal of ridding the White House of corporate lobbying influence. Reject the Entertainment Tonight! politics of Hillary Clinton.

[wyldwolf]

1. Edwards is an FDR type?

:crazy:

[Froward69]

34. I agree Biden is far

closer to FDR, JFK than Edwards... Edwards like FDR? FDR never lost a presidential race. was never a Vice anything. and was vastly underestimated because of his having been crippled by polio. Edwards couldn't overcome being crippled. he would have to give up his "regular guy" $400 haircuts...

[Midwestern Democrat]

48. Uhm...FDR was the 1920 Vice Presidential nominee.

So there goes two of your slams against Edwards - being on a losing Democratic ticket and accepting a Vice Presidential nomination.

[Froward69]

59. Edwards is still no FDR

[ihavenobias]

41. Of the "Big 3" canddiates, Edwards is, by far

People need to stop *looking* at the damn guy and actually start *listening* to him.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2007/10/26/edwards-gets-tough-on-business/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/edwards-move-makes-trade-_b_70243.html

[Think82]

47. Biden reminds me of FDR more than anyone.

Edwards has the most progressive policies, but remember, FDR got elected during the depression, and there was a need for more government intervention. I see Biden being able to accomplish liberal reforms with broader consensus, if he gets the nom.

Then there's foreign policy, where there's no contest.

[surfermaw]

51. Since I lived FDR time, I would say Edwards is

The only difference, is FDR...was raised a little rich boy, but he cared for people, same for Jack Kennedy and Bobby.. I think Edwards shows the same trait. You see the hair cut doesn't really matter, it is what is in the hear that matter. Edward, will have the people to help him in his Cabinet. He has said over and over that he has made it , now he wants to show the others with needs how to make it up the ladder, over and over he has stated we need higher education for everyone , not just a few. What would this world be if we only educate people like GWB.,?

[TwilightZone]

2. Many would consider Edwards a "People mag" candidate.

Just look at the endless attention to his haircuts.

[ihavenobias]

40. Well, sort of but not really

He's been boxed in by the absurd mainstream media, the same people that ruined Dean due to an out of context yell and Gore because he rolled his eyes during a debate (along with made up stories about him investing the internet).

Do people really think the other candidates all get their haircuts from Bo-Rics and Great Clips? That they buy their suits from the local thrift store? That they generally eat 'on the cheap' at fast food restaurants?

No one should CARE how much anyone pays for their haircuts. Great, so let's say Hillary spends $100 on a haircut. She's also taken more money from the healthcare industry than *any* other candidate, democrat or republican.

Besides, FDR was the most progressive president(economically speaking) in US history, despite the fact that he was very rich. In fact, he had a *lot* more money than Edwards.

[surfermaw]

53. I would imagine, FDR, had anything he thought he wanted!

So did Jack Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy, George H.W.Bush,GWB, Jeb, Nelson R., Ronald Wilson Reagen, and the list goes on.. So what the heck is wrong with a man that worked almost day and night for about ten year to get an education that would afford him any price hair cut? No matter what he has achieved he will never forget how he had to work like hell to get his education.

[MethuenProgressive]

58. Edwards and FDR in the same sentence? Johnny couldn't shine his shoes.

What an ignorant comparison.
What's next? Ghandi? Lolita? Jesus? Babe Ruth?

[cuke]

3. Can you translate that into English?

I don't speak brent

[rinsd]

4. The pretty boy who runs on rhetoric vs his record?

I think you may have the wrong cover girl for People.

[brentspeak]

8. Ann Coulter, is that you?

[rinsd]

11. No.

Though I find it odd that people are promoting the good looking white Southerner, who had all of one year in the Senate and pretends that never happened, as some breathe of fresh air.

[brentspeak]

15. ONE year in the Senate? How long have you had this delusion?

John Edwards: United States Senator for the state of North Carolina, 1998-2004.

[rinsd]

17. I screwed up and used the word year instead of term.

Doesn't matter. John Edwards would like us to forget his time in the Senate.

[geek tragedy]

25. John Edwards was in the Senate? n/t

[Catchawave]

52. Edwards had "one year" in the Senate ?

I. did. not. know. that. :silly:

Must have been the year People Magazine voted him "Sexiest Politican Alive" (2000).

[Stop Cornyn]

13. Bingo!

[ronnykmarshall]

37. Matt Drudge is that YOU?

[goodgd_yall]

16. Oh, my

It's this stuff like "pretty boy" that turns the elections into votes based on impressions rather than substance.

I don't apprectiate the OP's characterization of Hillary Clinton as a "People" magazine candidate either.

[BenDavid]

5. In this election the people are looking for someone

that has the intellect and the experience to take this country in a new direction. Of the candidates on the democratic side is HRC and Obama. Of the two I just listed HRC is the one I support. On the republican side if experience counts then mccain is the only one.

Edwards is so far out there people DO NOT move towards him and his campaign. People are moving closer to the ones they honestly believe will lead america back. Those two are HRC and Obama, but since they began polling back in January of this year HRC has naintained a constant lead over Obama and again in my honest opinion HRC will win the nomination and the presidency.

Ben David

[goodgd_yall]

19. How do you think Edwards is "so far out there"?

Is it his attacks on corporations? Or is it some other policy. Is it his personality?

[bvar22]

38. Edwards is not on the payroll.

That makes him "out there".

[Armstead]

20. Edwards is "out there"?

Not sure what you are referring to there.

If his positions are considered too far out, then we're in worse trouble as a nation than I thought.

[goodgd_yall]

27. That's what I was thinking

So I asked for clarification.

[laureloak]

28. Warmongers like Hillary.

[Fresh_Start]

6. You made me choke on my coffee!

Edwards is not an FDR-type and Hillary is not a Peoples magazine either.

[Renew Deal]

7. Hillary is a celebrity candidate like Schwarzenegger

And the US needs to get over this fad.

[brentspeak]

9. Thank you. Somebody gets it.

[goodgd_yall]

23. I never thought of her in that way

Would you say Obama was too? He became a "rock star" after the 2004 Convention speech and once he announced his run for the presidency, the media was all over him.

[brentspeak]

24. Obama is an 'American Idol' - type candidate.

We don't need those types either. We need substance and a willingness to not to be controlled by K-Street and Wall Street.

[Renew Deal]

31. There's a difference

Hillary was a celebrity first and a candidate second. Obama is famous because he is an elected official.

[KingFlorez]

10. Edwards is nowhere close to being like FDR

It's laughable to even try and make the comparison.

[asdjrocky]

12. Yes yes... and by the way... yes.

I'll be seeing John Edwards at a town hall meeting in Reno NV next weekend... any ideas on questions to ask?

[brentspeak]

18. Only a request to keep pointing out that he is the ONLY major candidate who doesn't take corporate $

That message needs to be spread far and wide.

[creeksneakers2]

49. Corporations can't donate

Edwards doesn't take money from lobbyists, but he takes money from the people who hire lobbyists and fat cats from corporations.

[brentspeak]

57. They're called "PACs"

I'm sure you're heard of them.

As for "the people who hire lobbyists and fat cats from corporations" whom you say Edwards "takes money from" -- do you have any names to provide? Surely, the Hillary campaign must have provided you with some names. That is, when they're not too busy making placating phone calls to Hillary's Indian outsourcing donors.

"No, no, no, Mr. Panjib -- please don't worry. Senator Clinton WILL continue to work with you to ship America's livelihoods over to your country. We had to reassure Mr.Moneybags IV of Goldman Sachs this morning on that same point."

[creeksneakers2]

61. Not from the Hillary campaign, but -

JOHN EDWARDS (D)
Top Contributors
ActBlue $1,965,274
Fortress Investment Group $187,850
Stearns, Weaver et al $131,000
Lerach, Coughlin et al $93,950
Goldman Sachs $77,100
Whitten, Nelson et al $66,250
Girardi & Keese $64,400
Beasley, Allen et al $61,850
Watts Law Firm $61,000
Morgan & Morgan $60,050
Skadden, Arps et al $54,950
Deutsche Bank AG $54,750
Citigroup Inc $49,200
Sidley Austin LLP $43,950
Brent Coon & Assoc $42,700
Kramer, Dillof et al $36,400
Motley Rice LLC $36,200
Baron & Budd $35,590
Brayton Purcell $35,100
Weitz & Luxenberg $34,600


http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.asp?id=N00002283&cycle=2008

[cali]

14. no to both

and Edwards is completely unelectable, having decided to take public financing.

[Stop Cornyn]

21. People Magazine candidates = mass marketed candidates with soft positions on all hard issues?

[brentspeak]

26. Yup. You got it.

[JohnnyLib2]

22. Registering disbelief.

Words fail.

[Nutmegger]

29. R&K ...

... for Edwards!

:thumbsup::bounce::kick:

[SaveElmer]

30. That sound you hear...is the OP's cheese slipping off his plate...

Comparing FDR to Edwards is about the most absurd thing I have ever seen on DU...and that is saying quite a bit!!!

[ihavenobias]

43. How much do 1 sentence posts generally explain?

Elaborate! Explain *why* such a comparison is absurd. If it's obvious, it should be easy.

[incapsulated]

32. Heresey

Even mentioning Edwards name with FDR is absurd and makes me ill.

[AlCzervik]

33. Come on, FDR?

[ihavenobias]

42. What does that mean?

Good point.

While Edwards has money, he's not even CLOSE to as rich as FDR was. So maybe we shouldn't compare them, despite the populist policy positions Edwards has (I provided 2 linked examples in a previous post).

But at least we knock off the nonsense about expensive haircuts.

[Yukari Yakumo]

35. No, you got that ass backwards.

Pretty-boy, say-anything-to-be-popular Edwards is the People Magazine candidate. Hill is more of a FDR-type than he is.

[ihavenobias]

46. Really?

Is this based on appearance, because that would just as ridiculous as someone NOT voting for Hillary because she's a woman?

If you look at their actual policies (on trade, health care, corporate America, etc.) it's quite clear who is the more corporate candidate of the two. Just look at the two examples I provided below my post.

But you know what? Even if Hillary did, for sake of argument, have better, more populist policies, so what?

People trumpet the fact that she's raised so much money, as if that makes her a *better* candidate when it's in fact quite the opposite. If you look at *where* that money is coming from, it's clear that she can't be taken seriously on many crucial issues.

The best example? Health care. She's taken more money from the health care industry than ANY other candidate, including any *republican* candidate. I'm sorry, but that's just awful, and that role of raking in money from special interest groups *used* to be a role reserved primarily for republican candidates...apparently that's changed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/edwards-huckabee-the-r_b_71934.html

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2007/10/26/edwards-gets-tough-on-business/

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. Couldn't You Say Something Nice About Your Candidate Without Taking A Dump On Another One?

Just this once I won't respond in kind...

DSB

[saracat]

39. Hillary has been "bought and paid for" by "corporate interests". And she even admits

it. Must be all those years of fighting for corporate rights at the Rose law firm.Edwards fought for people against corporations

[BigDDem]

44. I do see one similarity

FDR was president for 12 years....it feels like Edwards has been
running for president for 12 years.

[HuckleB]

45. What is with these substanceless attacks against Democratic candidates at DU?

First Obama is Reagan. Now Clinton is an airhead blonde?

This is worthless tripe. Please think before you post. Get your emotions under control. And post something that actually means something.

Sheesh.

[creeksneakers2]

50. Edwards is a whore for power whose lust for the presidency

leads him to sink to deep depths of depravity. There is nothing left of the Edwards campaign but slanders against his opponents and populist slogans designed to fool potential followers into believing he actually gives a shit.

Edwards couldn't even finish out the one term the voters trusted him with. He left to run for president right away, because of his power lust.

[surfermaw]

54. Edward could have had all the power he wanted with out

The presidency.. He knows how the other half live, he had Jesse helms stuffed down his throat by ignorant people in North Carolina, and was trying to bring the state up to par, Last week in the republican strong hold I live in at one of my Clubs meetings, we had someone there telling how to get a cheap education, if you couldn't afford a University, by gaining admission to one of the State University's and then getting your first 2 years at a community school, and then finishing by computer, the reason this school was started was because this old republican strong hole, had so few college educated people. Edwards knows this in fact and is only trying to help the backward areas in the State. Former Governor James B. Hunt ran against Jesse Helms and was defeated because the Helms machine got the word out that he was gay. Jame B. Hunt former I think 4 term governor of North Carolina the man who first started head start, was considered for V.P of the U.S., this state grew under Hunt. Edwards came out with fire in his bellie and did win a Senate seat.

[brentspeak]

56. A "whore for power"... who refuses to take corporate lobbyist dollars????

I'd get back to the Hillary campaign to find some new smear talking points, if I were you.

[Inspired]

60. Get a grip dude. n/t

[Naturyl]

55. Edwards is okay, but if you want and FDR type...

There's only one name. DK.

FDR turned this country around with a true progressive vision. Can we really say that Edwards has that kind of vision? Edwards is a very good candidate, but he's no FDR. Only Kucinich has the kind of bold, daring progressive vision that compares to FDR.