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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:39 PM
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Joseph Biden
by JOHN NICHOLS (The Nation)

I'm not in the habit of making campaign endorsements, and if I was, I'd probably urge a write-in vote for Russ Feingold, Joe Biden's colleague on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, who combines Biden's political smarts with a record on military adventurism and civil liberties that's far more to my liking. But I do endorse realism, and as such I can't buy the argument that Biden is significantly less acceptable than the Democratic front-runners. Biden maintains 100 percent ratings from Planned Parenthood, the League of Conservation Voters, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, Citizens for Tax Justice, the Children's Defense Fund and the NAACP; and 93 percent from the AFL-CIO--these numbers are every bit as liberal as his competitors'.

I don't forgive Biden's wrong vote to authorize George W. Bush's attack on Iraq, but neither do I forgive those of Hillary Clinton and John Edwards. Unlike either of them, Biden tried to constrain the Administration when he and Senator Richard Lugar fought in 2002 to require diplomatic efforts before military options could be considered. As Foreign Relations Committee chair, Biden remains far more engaged than his opponents in the debate about how to address the Iraq crisis. That does not mean his "solutions" are better, but it does mean he is more agile than most Democrats when it comes to debating policy.
It is, to be sure, a hard-won agility. Biden has more bruises than his fellow Democrats because he has gotten in the ring more often than most of them. His bruises are the marks of experience and determination, which ought not to be underestimated. At a time when too many Democrats are prone to pulling punches, he knows how to throw them. No Democrat with an eye on the 2008 prize failed to thrill when Biden used an otherwise forgettable October debate to kneecap the GOP front-runner. While the other Democrats poked one another to uninspired effect, Biden ridiculed Rudy Giuliani for waging a campaign based on "a noun, a verb and 9/11." This was Biden at his best: fast on his feet, muscularly partisan, devastatingly effective at tossing barbs. These strengths have kept the Delaware senator on the national scene for thirty-five years, and they make him the most quick-witted of this season's Democratic contenders.

Of course, Biden is not always at his best, as a failed 1988 presidential quest and several false starts since then can attest. He's a big talker, and he's made some big gaffes. But no Democratic contender has been so steadily "on" during this campaign. And even if Biden's poll numbers remain soft, that October debate confirmed his ability to stir things up.

In the blood-sport competition for the presidency, Biden's flair for finding the GOP jugular ought to count for something among Democrats who grumble about their last two nominees' failure to play offense. Of an old breed of Democrats who fought their way out of the back rooms of urban East Coast politics, Biden beat an entrenched Republican to enter the Senate, held his seat during GOP landslide years, used his Judiciary Committee chairmanship in the 1980s to block some of Ronald Reagan's Supreme Court nominees and corporate-sponsored tort "reform," and not only wrote the Violence Against Women Act but got it reauthorized by two Republican-led Congresses. Biden is best understood as a relatively rare political archetype: a Democrat who pays less attention to internal party politics than to winning elections and governing. This skill makes him the one Democrat Republicans feel compelled not merely to attack but to answer. That's because Biden has so far been the one Democrat who has consistently understood the importance of taking the fight to the other guys.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071126/nichols
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:40 PM
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1. The Nation has been beating my candidate up. But kudos to them for doing promos for each candidate.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 08:42 PM
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2. Yeah, I thought that was good, too. nt
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:26 PM
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3. John Nichols nails it on Joe Biden. Biden is the most experienced fighter
As always, thank you gateley. If not for you I might have missed this one. Nichols highlights one of Sen. Biden's greatest strengths, and one that gets little attention. Biden doesn't take any crap from his opponents. He's more like a street fighter than your typical Democrat. He knows how to land a punch and he knows how to take one, and he does it without worrying about the nicities. To be sure, there are risks, but the tactic of mauling Republican opponents has hardly been a tactic Democratic strategists have had to fret over.

Biden has the ability to come across as the most presidential of the candidates, then in an instant, throw a barrel house punch, then go right back to spouting off policy details like a president, and intelligent president. I would also add that many of the points brought out in this rare endorsement regarding Biden's record makes clear that Joe Biden is not compromising, lightweight Democrat. He's smart, proactive, and not even the Party can tell him what to do--and I, for one, like that in my leaders. If Democrats don't recognize the gift they have in Joe Biden, the Party is in long term trouble and this period of Democratic dominance will be short lived.
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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:52 PM
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4. Awesome article... !
Hopefully this will make some who don't think Biden is "liberal" enough take a long hard second look.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:32 PM
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6. Exactly!
Biden's record has enough to please a majority of Democrats as well as a majority of Americans when he makes it to the general election.
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NI4NI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:31 PM
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5. Another Great Post, Gateley, Thanks!
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 11:36 PM by NI4NI
100% rating by Planned Parenthood
100% rating by The League of Conservation Voters,
100% rating by Americans for Separation of Church and State
100% rating by Americans for Tax Justice
100% rating by Children's Defense Fund
100% rating by NAACP
93% rating from AFL-CIO

"used his Judiciary Committee Chairmanship to block some of Reagan's Supreme Court nominee's, and corporate sponsored tort-reform"

John Nichols must got it all wrong!

Because some of our fellow DUers know better and were recently blasting Joe about his record on women's rights and abortion, besides being a corporate crony, along with his relegion faith preceeding his political decision making.

Plus, shame on Joe Biden for voting "NO" on Clarence Thomas after allowing him a democratic up or down vote when Dems were the majority.
And the fact that he was apprehensive in allowing alleged unsubstantiated "he said she said" testimony that could ruin someone's carrer/reputation.

But yet, after voting "NO" against an African American man, while at the same time treating an African American woman harshly, the NAACP still gives Biden a 100% rating too........I quess they must have it all wrong too!

And with ONLY 93% approval rating from the AFL-CIO, Joe must not be a friend of the working man. (SARCASM)
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:16 AM
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7. K/R
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:33 AM
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16. I wish I could nominate a post.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:18 AM
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8. gately, several of you good people in the DU Biden group have pointed me
toward this article and I just read it this evening and have praise for Nichols' writing (the Madison clientele who get to read him all the time in their paper are lucky dogs) and for his subject.

Damn. What a compelling profile Nichols finds in Delaware's liberal senator Biden.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 12:25 AM
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9. I'm voting for him in the primary.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:27 AM
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11. I think I wll too
I don't see anyone who tops him among those running. He's smart and tough and I don't think the GOP wants to run against him.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 07:50 AM
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14. The GOP will poop their britches when Biden gets the nomination.
Karl Rove will be quoted after the election as saying that he knew the Democrats were going to win when they chose Joe Biden. He's simply the strongest candidate.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 04:04 PM
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30. Welcome aboard!!!
AX10 & ginnyinWI.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:24 AM
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10. I am now convinced that he can be the best candidate
He does not try to say what should sound right but what he thins is right. And this includes Iraq, and this is from a man with a lot of experience in this field.

In the last debate, he was the only one speaking about Pakistan, and this was before recent events.

I don't understand why he continues to poll so low, even below Ron Paul on DU, I would guess.
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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:45 AM
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12. kick
He's doing pretyt well on DU, actually. HE recently won the fun "one-on-one tournament bracket"
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renegade000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:00 AM
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13. kick & rec
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baseballhead Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 08:15 AM
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15. Joe is battle tested
and not afraid to say what he thinks. When he made that comment about Obama, he only said what a lot of other people were thinking.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:34 AM
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17. kicked and nominated!
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murbley40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:51 AM
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19. A great endorsement of the complete Joe Biden!
I was surprised that this writer wrote such an endorsement of Joe,but sure am glad he did.

How great it would be to have a President who would fight for what is right for the US and it's people while keeping in mind the total world picture.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:49 AM
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18. kick
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murbley40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:18 AM
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21. Kick
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:13 AM
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20. Kick!!!
:kick:
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:27 AM
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22. Great analysis n/t
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:31 AM
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23. Joe is the only one I feel comfortable with.
I'd like for Biden and Dodd to pair up or, better yet, for Biden and Feingold to top the ticket after the convention. The Repugs would mess their drawers and scream "Uncle!"...a scene I wouldn't miss for the world.

Whoever wins the nomination is not only going to have to be wise in foreign policy, but have the ability to govern and bring both sides of the aisle together. They are being handed a horrendous mess, so there isn't time for on-the-job training...they are going to have to hit the ground running.

Biden doesn't need to be introduced to foreign leaders or take time to read up on the past events that influence today's situations. He could give and take with the best of them. Feingold would be super as veep, and the two of them work well together. I just think that would be a dream team.

Am I missing something here?

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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:49 AM
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24. Kicking
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murbley40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:20 AM
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25. KICK
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:25 AM
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26. A lot of optimism from DUers about Biden's chances...
for a guy who hasn't exceeded 3% in the national polls, nor 5% in the Iowa polls, nor 4% in the New Hampshire polls.

I agree Biden is a smart Senator, and has gotten an undeserved reputation as a blowhard, but he hasn't a chance, IMO.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:45 PM
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27. It's this kind of response that makes us optimistic. And we know we're right.
How many times do you have to hear it, or read it. A lot can change in 1 day during the primary process. Look what happened in 2004. Consider how Hillary's momentum has shifted for the worse since her last debate performance. She'll be sure to really practice her "safe" answers for the next debate, and that could make things even worse for her. We're optimistic because we believe that the American people are coming around to seeing Joe Biden as the logical choice. And he is. With him as the Democratic nominee the Karl Roves of the Repub Party would know they were in deep trouble. Not so if, for example, Hillary gets the nod.
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murbley40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:11 PM
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28. KICK
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 03:56 PM
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29. Wow gateley! What a great article - one of the better ones I have seen on Biden.
:bounce:
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:05 PM
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31. What a difference it would make if Sen. Biden could get a big influx of cash.
It's too bad that money runs our campaigns, but maybe since Biden is lacking in the green he knows he has to try harder, which would explain why he outshines all the other candidates. It also makes clear who is beholden to special interests and who isn't.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:08 PM
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32. Exactly ! I wish Biden would talk more about that, about how he doesn't have alot of corporate
donors.

Also agreed that he outshines everyone.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:28 PM
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33. This deserves another look....
From the article:

"Biden maintains 100 percent ratings from Planned Parenthood, the League of Conservation Voters, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, Citizens for Tax Justice, the Children's Defense Fund and the NAACP; and 93 percent from the AFL-CIO--these numbers are every bit as liberal as his competitors'.
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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:56 PM
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34. kick
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 12:04 AM
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35. This is really an excellent article
I just realized that I hadn't commented on it yet. Thanks Gateley.
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kad7777 Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 10:24 AM
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36. JOE BIDEN the right choice
I'm hoping the American people get it right this time around and elect a REAL leader. Aside from from his expertise in foreign policy, which is so crtical in the election of our next President, Joe Biden has a command of every issue that faces our nation today AND solutions to deal with them. He's respected around the world and on both sides of the aisle. This is THE MOST important election America has faced in decades and we cannot fail as a people. There's too much at stake for our country and people around the world.

God Bless you Joe!!! Our country and this world needs you in these troubled times.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtGCaqOdIJ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUC8LeZ1hM4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HcXkLbRIWw


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