It's official, Nader is back in....

[INTELBYTES]

or as official as you can get from faux news.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,112049,00.html

How do you think this will effect the General Election?

[Eurobabe]

1. why the white house, ever so briefly?

what the hell is up with the link to FAUX?

[mohc]

13. Its a background layer

That they use on political pages.

[INTELBYTES]

14. used faux cause they had the story first.

I also added the disclaimer.

[afraid_of_the_dark]

2. Might as well prepare for four more years...

I'm sure Nader will split the Dem vote again.

[HFishbine]

27. It doesn't have to be that way

All the dem party and/or nominee has to do is give a sincere nod (policy ideas, VP nominee, platform issues) to the left. Denounce the Iraq war, present ideas for breaking the influence of corporations on Washington -- it really won't be that hard. But it will require a little backbone. Keep insisting that leaders must follow and a Nader candidacy could well mean another four more years of Bush.

[absyntheNsugar]

29. Not necesarrily

I'm hoping lefty Dems and greens learned their lesson. From what I can tell, it seems like they have.

Willpitt is right, a vote for Nader or sitting on your hands on this one is a vote for Bush.

And a vote for Nader is the same as a bullet in a soldiers back (that's mine.)

[0rganism]

37. Wow, you caved awfully quick

Nader didn't split the Dem vote last time, and he won't do it this time either. He won't even receive half the Green votes he got last time, running as the Green party candidate. The notion that "there's not a dime's worth of difference" between Democrats and republicans won't resonate this time.

Nader is the LEAST of your worries in 2004.

[hippiechick]

3. ... as an Independent ? Less than 10,000 votes nationwide

I doubt he'll even register on the % scale. Certainly won't be a distraction to Kerry's annointment as the folks who would support Nader likely would never vote for Kerry anyway.

Not sure if the Greens are running a candidate but if they do, there will be party loyalty there that won't let a 'Rush to Ralph' happen.

Ralph will be a non-issue.


:hippie:

[Faygo Kid]

4. Lots of folks will be happy here. I am not.

Another four (at least) years of Bush, a Supreme Court that, with Bush's appointments, will Rule Us All, the draft reinstated, the end of women's choice, the continual drive to consolidate all money and power in the hands of a small elite, the fulfillment of the neo-con dreams, a Wal-Mart economy, unlimited outsourcing of jobs, alienation from the rest of the world, the final destruction of the New Deal, etc. etc. Thanks a lot, Ralph. Nice ego, there.

[StClone]

5. None

He can wage a war with Lyndon La Rouche for the votes he will be getting this time -- non-factor.

[FreakinDJ]

6. funded by the GOP ?

[Duder]

7. His choice...

People are using Bush as an excuse for why Nader shouldn't run but it wouldn't be any different in 2008 or 2012. There will never be a good time for the Democratic Party for a Nader to run.

If they feel Nader's a threat, then they should make a deal much like some might with the Hoffa's and Teamsters of the world, imo.

[Walt Starr]

8. The Democrats must work overtime for the rest of the cycle

and must clearly and succinctly enunciate the distinctions between the two parties.

It must start yesterday to be effective. We need a pre-emptive strike on the Republicrats meme.

[Tinoire]

28. First realistic & smart comment I've seen all day about Nader's run.

It's the only way to do it.

[edzontar]

9. Nader has the right to run. The DP has to double its efforts now

To reach out to progressive voters.

[maddezmom]

10. wow, FAUX outscooped sludge on this one

:eyes:

[eyesroll]

11. As an independent, Nader has to figure out how to get on the ballot

in all 50 states.

He won't benefit from straight-party voting, or automatic access. I'm not sure how many states have automatic access for the Greens, so this may or may not have been a factor in 2000. But in 2000, he did have the Green Party itself, and its members, to help circulate petitions, etc. This year, he's got his individual supporters (who are not as numerous as they were four years ago), and that's about it.

I think he'll be a non-factor in most places.

[mikehiggins]

16. I agree. I was with the Perot people and getting on the ballot was

hard, hard, hard.

I doubt very much Nader will be a factor at all in this race BUT he will get many thousand of column inches and many, many hours of screen play before this is done.

He really should endorse the Democrat on MTP but I doubt he can, even if he wanted to.

Ralph Nader supporting anyone who voted for the IWR is about as likely as his drag-racing a Corvair on the NASCAR circuit, with a back seat loaded with full gasoline cans.

[Rowsdower]

30. he'll get on the ballot

unfortunately, republicans will see to it

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. OMG....I just lost ANY respect I had for

Nader. Who the fuck does he think he is? THIS election is SOOOOO much more important than 2000. PNAC will destroy us.

Well, guess I'll start packing my bags for leaving this country. I will not live in this country with another 4 years of the fascist Bush regime in office. My son deserves better.

Fuck you Ralph Nader! :grr:

[mikehiggins]

18. Don't start packing yet.

And where did that button come from? Did you design it? Who holds the copyright?

I love it, Mister Frodo, I just loves it!

[Redneck Socialist]

15. Bastard

Someone needs to piss in his coffee cup. Didn't he have enough fun last time around. I've lost all respect for that man and everything he's done. Now is not the time for vanity runs to assuage a bruised ego.

[onehandle]

17. Is anyone credible claiming this? nt

[David Dunham]

19. Nader as an independent will not get on the ballot in many states

[littlejoe]

20. I was just watching MSNBC, and all they said was

that Nader was considering the move, and that top Democratic leaders were meeting with him right now, presumably to talk him out of it.

If he does run, I wish he would get run over by his campaign bus. If he truly hated bush, he wouldn't even consider such a move.

[Pillowbiter]

21. All I have to say is

Though I may never vote for Sharpton or Braun, at least they brought something to the race, to open up the discussion...Nader does none of this.

PB

[FreakinDJ]

22. Posted at Free Republic

To: steplock
perhaps some of us should hit the democrat forums and convince the people there to vote for Nader when the presidential race starts. Encourage the far left dems that haven't made up their mind to vote for him so we can split their vote.

48 posted on 08/11/2003 9:02:43 AM PDT by Johnbalaya
< Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies >

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/961974/posts

[littlejoe]

23. Poetic justice-- Nader getting ran over by man driving a corvair.

Hey, with any luck, it could happen.

[bicentennial_baby]

24. Hoping for someone's death

How progressive of you.... :eyes:

[INTELBYTES]

26. "Lacking in humor"

How progressive are YOU? :eyes:

[littlejoe]

31. Not a fan of black humor? I guess not.

Lighten up!

[INTELBYTES]

32. My post was directed at #23 not yours.

I was making the point that you just made.

[littlejoe]

38. My bad. Please excuse.

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

36. He didn't say anything about Nader dying

Just getting run over.

[IconoclastIlene]

25. Thanks for the Corvair stuff..now please retire like a good boy.

I have seatbelts that I dont want to wear and I am still unsafe at any speed.........please retire, Florida, maybe?

[Adams Wulff]

33. Fool me once, shame on me. fool me twice...

and I kick your sorry ass!

[absyntheNsugar]

34. Who wants to protest Nader Traitor Events?

They're going to picket the DNC in Boston, I'm sure. Let's fight back - here's some ideas:

- Half Bush/half Nader streetpuppets (basically vote for Nader=vote for Bush)

- "Nader, the corvair of candidates" or "Nader - Unsafe at any speed"

just some ideas...

[youngred]

35. He has every right to run

even if it is a foolish and destructive idea. The Greens aren't running a candidate because they recognize the importance in beating Bush, but Nader is in it for his own self-aggrandizement.

[elperromagico]

Some facts about Nader's 2000 percentages.

Nader got his biggest shares of the vote in these ten states. States which could be defined as "at risk" with a Nader run are in bold:

1. Alaska (10.07%) - Gore lost by over 30 points.
2. Vermont (6.92%) - Gore won by nearly 10 points.
3. Massachusetts (6.42%) - Gore won by over 27 points.
4. Rhode Island (6.12%) - Gore won by over 29 points.
5. Montana (5.95%) - Gore lost by over 25 points.
6. Hawaii (5.88%) - Gore won by over 18 points.
7. Maine (5.7%) - Gore won by 5.12 points.
8. Colorado (5.25%) - Gore lost by over 8 points.
9. DC (5.24%) - Gore won by over 76 points.
10. Minnesota (5.2%) - Gore won by 2.41 points.

Of the ten states, only two (Maine and Minnesota) can be defined as "at risk" with a Nader candidacy. Here are the states which could be described as "at risk" with a Nader candidacy:

Maine (5.7%) - Gore won by 5.12 points.
Minnesota (5.2%) - Gore won by 2.41 points.
Oregon (5.04%) - Gore won by less than 1 point.
New Hampshire (3.9%) - Gore lost by 1.27 points.
Wisconsin (3.62%) - Gore won by less than 1 point.
New Mexico (3.55%) - Gore won by less than 1 point.
Iowa (2.23%) - Gore won by less than 1 point.
Florida (1.63%) - The plurality was less than 1 point.

Of course, this doesn't take into account the fact that Gore will not be the Democratic nominee, nor does it predict how much support Nader would or would not have as an independent candidate.

[Snivi Yllom]

39. Statements like this from the Senate Minority leader inspire Nader

Daschle satisfied with war progress
http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2004/02/20/news/local/news05....
By Denise Ross, Journal Staff Writer

PIERRE - Sen. Tom Daschle, D-S.D., on Thursday praised the Bush administration's war and nation-building work in Iraq and said he has no serious concerns about the lack of weapons of mass destruction.

Daschle told state chamber of commerce representatives meeting in the South Dakota capital that he is satisfied with the way things are going in Iraq.

"I give the effort overall real credit," Daschle said. "It is a good thing Saddam Hussein is no longer in power. It is a good thing we are democratizing the country."

He said he is not upset about the debate over pre-war intelligence on weapons of mass destruction, an issue that has dogged President Bush as Democratic presidential contenders have slogged through the primary season.

[elperromagico]

41. Damn it, Daschle.

Take a cue from the Democratic candidates and grow some balls.

[0rganism]

40. Nader is the LEAST of the Democrats' worries, this time around

Nader got 3% of the vote when bush was an unknown quantity and he was running as the Green nominee.

This year, we all know what bush's plan for America is. The Greens probably won't field a candidate at all. Nader's getting into the race pretty late, might not even be on the ballot in many states. He'll be lucky to get 0.3% of the vote.

Forget Nader. You guys want to worry about the election? I can help:

* bush's $200+ million campaign fund
* republican-programmed voting machines
* October Surprise: Osama captured? Terrorists attack? Monica returns?
* GOP whore media pumping bush at every opportunity

That should be enough for now, but if you need more, just send me a PM. The Democratic nominee's only dilemma this time is whether to ignore Nader entirely or welcome him to the race and then ignore him.