GROB (not ABB)

[NewYorkerfromMass]

Get rid of Bush. Don't just vote against him. Vote for the Dem.

[krkaufman]

1. "same difference"

I always hated that phrase growing up.

GROB, ABB, they all mean the same thing. A unified effort to vote against Bush, for the opposition candidate with the best chance of defeating him -- that is, whoever becomes the Dem nominee.

Assuming that the Dem populace doesn't entirely jump ship to Greens or Nader, a vote for any candidate other than the Dem candidate is not strictly "ABB"; rather, it'd just be a vote *for* a given candidate.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

3. But they don't mean the same thing

isn't that obvious?

[krkaufman]

13. Based on your definition and my interpretation of "ABB" they do

... mean the same thing.

> Get rid of Bush. Don't just vote against him. Vote for the Dem.

Since "the Dem" will be the only candidate with a chance of removing Bush, voting for the Dem is the only "ABB" vote -- where an "ABB" vote is a vote cast that directly counters a Bush vote. Votes for inconsequential third party candidates or abstaining are NOT ABB, and, in fact, are "pro-Bush" in Blue states -- and moreso in swing states that go Blue.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

14. but some do not seem to understand that

and think a 3rd party qualifies as ABB in the most simplistic sense.

[krkaufman]

20. Yes, some peoples is clueless. n/t

[rucky]

2. FOCSV

Focus on converting swing voters.

[IrateCitizen]

4. HYNAPTDLTGHATALHSA is my strategy

Hold Your Nose And Pull The Democratic Lever Then Go Home And Take A Long Hot Shower Afterwards

Seriously, what are you trying to accomplish here? Anything constructive?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

5. Is getting Bush out of the WH constructive?

It is in my book. and I want to make sure it happens.

[IrateCitizen]

6. And how, exactly, is this thread contributing to that effort?

You say that GROB is not the same as ABB. Ok. Whatever.

Either one, along with my HYNAPTDLTGHATALHSA strategy, are all pointed toward this greater aim.

So I ask again: What exactly is your point? Do you HAVE a point?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

9. Specific action is better.

and yours is definitely more specific, and therefore better.
My point was that ABB doesn't guarantee GROB- We can't just reject him, we have to replace him.

[Paulie]

8. LOL IAGYLMWOMAP

I Am Glad You Like My Way Of Making A Point. :P :P :P

[absyntheNsugar]

7. I like that

Because snotty Nadertraitors will always snivel back with thier "I didn't vote for Bush, I voted for Nader" as if that was any difference.

[tobius]

10. if we end up with Kerry or Edwards we end up SOLD

S: ome O:ne L:ike D:ubya


bush-lite

[absyntheNsugar]

11. Not even.

Keep drinking that Nader Traitor kool aid.

[library_max]

12. That or actual Bush.

Them's your choices. Vote third party and you just leave the real decision to those who vote D or R.

[MoonRiver]

15. I'm sorry but that comment is truly over the top.

Now, I don't from what place in the political spectrum you're coming from, but your persona appears to put you squarely in the Democratic Lite quadrant.

[tobius]

16. I will vote for the nominee in Nov.

but, as I have seen on this board where the feelings run very strong and the members are generally well informed, there is still apathy and resistance to Kerry and Edwards. My take is if this is happening here; imagine the undecideds, the moderates, the independents, the discouraged conservatives-- the election can be framed as bush vs. almost bush. That scenario is not one to look forward to.

[library_max]

17. Well then, what are you trying to accomplish?

It's far from clear. Kerry and Edwards are the only two viable candidates left in the race. If you don't like the election being framed as bush vs. almost bush, stop framing it that way. It isn't that way - neither Kerry nor Edwards is "almost Bush."

Doctor, doctor, it hurts when I do this!

Then stop doing it!

[tobius]

18. Thanks for the advice. The pain won't be self-directed, i'm just

stating an obvious strategy that may be used against either Kerry or Edwards. If National security is what Rove runs on we have 2 candidates that support major legislation pushed by bush with some minor implementation changes. The list of support w/minor disagreements has been gone over extensively.

I'm not trying to accomplish much with my posting, just making some observations. Just ignore them and go hit some other people over the head. It is a very persuasive technique.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

19. Kerry is different enough in important ways

and he represents a credible alternative for moderates just aching for a reason to replace Bush.

[RetroLounge]

21. I believe the voting booth is still private, no?

so none of your business who I vote for...