Is this mere coincidence? NeoTrace these three URL's once

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/t-breaking/browse

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?investky&1

http://www.petitiononline.com/dnc/petition.html

[Goldom]

1. uh.. neotrace?

Not sure what that is, but did a VisualTrace on ip's, and.. FR is in california, PO is in virginia, possibly DC.
...your point?

[lcordero]

2. first URL

Registrant:
FreeRepublic.LLC
Jim Robinson
P.O. Box 9771
Fresno, CA 93794
US
+1.5555555555
[e-mail]

Administrative Contact:
RDC
Tami DeFehr
PO Box 9771
Fresno, CA 93794
US
+1.5592130991
[e-mail]

Technical Contact:
RDC
Tami DeFehr
PO Box 9771
Fresno, CA 93794
US
+1.5592130991
[e-mail]

Billing Contact
RDC
Tami DeFehr
PO Box 9771
Fresno, CA 93794
US
+1.5592130991
[e-mail]

Registrar..: gkg.net (http://register.gkg.net/)
Domain Name: FREEREPUBLIC.COM
Created on..............: 23-SEP-1996
Expires on..............: 22-SEP-2006
Record last updated on..: 13-DEC-2001
Status..................: ACTIVE

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.ROBINSON-DEFEHR.COM
NS2.ROBINSON-DEFEHR.COM

The previous information has been obtained either directly from the
registrant or a registrar of the domain name other than Network Solutions.
Network Solutions, therefore, does not guarantee its accuracy or completeness.

[Spider Jerusalem]

3. All right...

the first:

Registrant:
FreeRepublic.LLC
Jim Robinson
P.O. Box 9771
Fresno, CA 93794
US
+1.5555555555
[e-mail]

Administrative Contact:
RDC
Tami DeFehr
PO Box 9771
Fresno, CA 93794
US
+1.5592130991
[e-mail]

Technical Contact:
RDC
Tami DeFehr
PO Box 9771
Fresno, CA 93794
US
+1.5592130991
[e-mail]

Billing Contact
RDC
Tami DeFehr
PO Box 9771
Fresno, CA 93794
US
+1.5592130991
[e-mail]

Registrar..: gkg.net (http://register.gkg.net/)
Domain Name: FREEREPUBLIC.COM
Created on..............: 23-SEP-1996
Expires on..............: 22-SEP-2006
Record last updated on..: 13-DEC-2001
Status..................: ACTIVE

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.ROBINSON-DEFEHR.COM
NS2.ROBINSON-DEFEHR.COM

OrgName: Verio, Inc.
OrgID: VRIO
Address: 8005 South Chester Street
Address: Suite 200
City: Englewood
StateProv: CO
PostalCode: 80112
Country: US

The second and third:

Registrant:
Artifice, Inc.
PO Box 1588
Eugene, OR 97440
US

Registrar: DOTSTER
Domain Name: ARTIFICE.COM
Created on: 26-MAY-95
Expires on: 25-MAY-04
Last Updated on: 20-MAY-03

Administrative Contact:
Matthews, Kevin [e-mail]
Artifice, Inc.
PO Box 1588
Eugene, OR 97440
US
541-345-7421
541-345-7438

Technical Contact:
Matthews, Kevin [e-mail]
Artifice, Inc.
PO Box 1588
Eugene, OR 97440
US
541-345-7421
541-345-7438


Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.SECURE.NET
NS2.SECURE.NET

OrgName: Verio, Inc.
OrgID: VRIO
Address: 8005 South Chester Street
Address: Suite 200
City: Englewood
StateProv: CO
PostalCode: 80112
Country: US

ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.verio.net:4321/


The only coincidence I see is that they both use Verio for hosting...
the petitiononline server is in northern VA, the FR server is in Sunnyvale, CA...

[NNN0LHI]

4. Did you notice the maps for all three?

They all three appear to propagate from San Francisco and they all terminate in New Orleans. Just more coincidence maybe?

Don

[NNN0LHI]

5. So what do you say? Is that another coincidence? n/t

[Spider Jerusalem]

6. Must be where you're tracing from...

Number of hops and routing for each hop (topology) varies depending on your backbone access point and your ISP's routing.

The petitiononline url traceroute goes thusly, for me: From me (just S of Atlanta) - Macon, GA - Jacksonville, FL - Miami, FL - Atlanta, GA - Washington, DC - Northern VA (Arlington, maybe?) - another point in Northern VA (17 hops in all).

The FR url traces as follows: Same for steps 1-6, thence to Sunnyvale, CA (I would guess on a backbone leased by Verio, host for both URLs), 20 hops in all.

[CivilRightsNow]

7. Heh...Tin foil, anyone?

Propagates? originates? Huh?


tracert.com -you can trace from all over the world. There is no link between these two addresses that one can ascertain from a tracert or whois

[Charlie Grapski]

8. Actually - yes it is MERE coincidence

Frankly - I don't have a clue what you are trying to imply - but whatever it is, it is indeed MERE COINCIDENCE - since I am the AUTHOR of the petition to the DNC.

The DNC has violated its rules and charter - indeed violated its most fundamental rules which are meant to ensure a "democratic" process which leads to a representative National Convention, the highest authority of the Democratic party, which meets once every four years, chooses the nominee, establishes a platform, and sets the rules (including reforms) of the party.

I have put that petition up for the purpose of getting people to support a formal complaint to the DNC for the violation of those rules - as is laid out in the petition.

If anyone doubts my motivation - they can email me personally,

Charles Grapski
[e-mail]

Otherwise - I would encourage everyone concerned about DEMOCRACY to sign it, and to pass the information on to others.

[NNN0LHI]

9. Well then let me ask you something Charlie

Are you the one who contacted Fox news so they would encourage people to sign your petition(s)? Or was that just another mere coincidence too?

Don

[Name removed]

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[NNN0LHI]

11. What makes you so sure that less than 1% republicans have signed it?

Tell me. How do you know that?

Don

[Charlie Grapski]

12. What makes you so sure...

I think think the testimonials speak for themselves.

As for being "so sure" - you seem to be "so sure" that more than this are, on what logical basis, that Democrats would never "criticize" the Democratic Party. No sir - that is what you expect under a FASCIST regime. If you oppose Bush - sincerely - you should oppose similar approaches to politics by Democrats as well. (Or should I say so-called "Democrats").

A TRUE Democrat - would never tolerate what is going on in the party right now. How can one criticize Florida 2000, if one accepts similar strategies within the Democratic party? EVERYONE in the Democratic Party has a RIGHT to have their vote COUNT, for the candidate of THEIR choice (not the party elites's choice) - and to be FULLY and FAIRLY represented in the National Convention.

What made YOU so "SURE" that I was somehow working for the Republican Party or FOx news?

[unfrigginreal]

13. Jeesh

You still haven't gotten that thing tuned? Is there anyone that disagrees with your politics that isn't a Republican *in your mind*?