So the "The MSM is biased in favor of Hillary" meme is disproven.

[Clintonista2]

NEXT?

[Karmadillo]

1. If all who believe in the meme will clap their hands as hard as they can the meme will live!!!!

nt

[Moochy]

2. God Save Our Meme!

[Enrique]

23. the meme is dead! long live the meme!

[Enrique]

3. common sense should have disproven that meme

but a study from the PEJ is nice to have in case common sense is lacking.

[polichick]

4. Is it just me, or do other people hate the word "meme"??? nt

[Basileus Basileon]

5. I like the word. But goddamn, people here don't know what it means.

Same with "frame." It's like, people seem to be under the idea that any illegitimate line of attack is a "meme," and any pithy turn of phase is a "frame."

[Moochy]

6. Have you read George Lakoff?

He explains what he means by the term "frame" pretty thoroughly in "Don't think of an Elephant". Very helpful reading.

[Basileus Basileon]

8. I have. And that's why I object to the misuse of the term here.

An appropriate use would be, "Hillary Clinton, by adopting the right-wing frame of leadership while pushing progressive policies, successfully deflects lines of attack that have traditionally only been functional against those in the left-wing frame (flip-flopping, and the like)."

An inappropriate use is, "Impeachment off the table? More like CONSTITUTION OFF THE TABLE! That's how we should re-frame it!"

[Moochy]

10. Verb vs. Noun?

I think that you are saying in your inappropriate example you are using the verb "to re-frame"?

Or is it that you don't think that the second example is valid because you perceive the "constitution off the table" to be hyperbole?

[Basileus Basileon]

11. No, what I am saying is that

a frame is a cohesive collection of assumptions, values, and beliefs, distilled and bound in a phrase meant to lead the mind towards adoptation of that viewpoint.

Now, here are two more frames:

1. Surge. The "surge" frame implies a brief spike in troop count designed to quickly overwhelm an enemy, followed by a drawdown. It also binds itself to the concepts of power, force, manliness (to an extent), and intensity. The mental image is one of a battleground being won. Any discussion of the war in which the "surge" is accepted must run along these lines.

2. Escalation. The "escalation" frame implies a deliberate long-term increase in the scope of conflict. It binds itself to the concepts of deliberate provocation, calculation, and cold planning. The mental image is one of a passionless policy planner ordering tens of thousands more to fight an unending war. Any discussion of the war in which "escalation" is accepted must run along these lines.


I think most people who read Lakoff got to the part where he talks about "tax relief," and thought, "oh, a frame is a rewording that makes you sound good." Well, sort of, but it doesn't stop there. The "impeachment off the table / more like CONSTITUTION off the table" isn't really a frame. It's a turn of phrase.

[Moochy]

13. Values associated with a frame

I can see what you are saying... People who stop at the "tax relief" section of that book are practicing sloganeering instead of full fledged arguments that evoke the associated frames that support a political position. I agree that's a misuse of the term when it fails to reinforce the progressive values.
Cheers

[KittyWampus]

7. How has it been 'disproven'?

[Clintonista2]

9. .

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_11/012423.php

[Forkboy]

12. I picture the media as a bunch of dumb sharks.

I know there's some bias in the media, but overall I think they just like to stir shit up more than actually favor any one person.They'll prop people up just to tear them down later.It's not that they like or dislike Hillary so much as they just want to see things get bloody.It wouldn't matter who the frontrunner is, you'd be seeing the exact same thing.

[papau]

14. Sorry - but we did not see any "tear down" with Bush in 2000 - We have a "guided" media IMO n/t

n/t

[ruggerson]

15. We have a winner!

For completely understanding the MSM and how it operates, we have awarded you an all expense paid vacation to the lovely weekend retreat of Andrea Mitchell and Alan Greenspan on the Maryland shore.

[Forkboy]

16. Can I reject that prize?

:)

[sufrommich]

30. 24 hour news programming is inherently

over the top because it is a commercial enterprise. What started as a promising idea, that news happens around the world and should be reported on continuously,never happened. Instead of in depth national news and more international news analysis,we got turbo charged "created" news based on invented drama and sound bites and talking heads obsessing over trivial gossip . The bottom line with all the 24 hour "news" channels is commercial viability and ratings.Reality be damned.It's a shame,I'm old enough to remember the start of CNN and I was genuinely exited at the prospect and possibilities.

[goodgd_yall]

17. If anything

the MSM would like another Republican president in order to support corporate interests. I think they'll be set on making the least electable candidate, in their eyes, look good until the nominee is finally chosen.

[Clintonista2]

18. Which means that they believe that Obama is least electable

Since he has the highest amount of positive coverage. I agree with you.

[goodgd_yall]

19. I haven't figured out who that candidate is yet

From this last debate, I thought it might be Edwards.

[goodgd_yall]

20. I'd also should correct my post by saying

The MSM will make the least electable Democratic candidate look good who also has a shot at winning the primaries. That leaves out Kucinich, Gravel, Dodd, etc.

[MLFerrell]

21. Nothing like a baseless assertion with no accompanying evidence, now is there?

:eyes:

[Clintonista2]

22. Yep, nothing more baseless than the "The MSM is biased in favor of Hillary" meme, is there?

Especially when evidence proves the opposite: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_11/012423.php

[MLFerrell]

25. OH, WOW!!!

You mean you managed to find ONE article suggesting that the writer/publisher prefers someone other than HRC? That is HUGH!

Hugh, until you look at the REST of the MSM... As any reasonable person would:

Clinton Comfortable Under Fire:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hedi5_7uR-Jsh0enjinu66VxJkngD8SMH6HG2

Clinton juggernaut looks unsinkable, for now
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/1104robb04.html

Top Ten Reasons to Vote for Hillary Clinton for President in 2008
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/397730/top_ten_reasons_to_vote_for_hillary.html

I could find dozens of other links like this, if I wanted to waste more time making you look foolish.

You posted one.

So my question to you is, "Are you high, or just incredibly stupid?"

:eyes:

[Clintonista2]

26. so The Project for Excellence in Journalism is lying/incorrect?

I'll await YOUR academic study proving so. Thanks in advance.

[TheWraith]

24. Next up is the myth that the MSM is out to get Hillary. NT

[Californian Dreamer]

27. Err not quite

Not so much a meme as a simple observation... I still remember them saying she was the 'clear winner' of a debate when she was the only one who was actually booed. True they did finally acknowledge she did poorly in that recent debate, lets see if they will hold to some thread of credibility.

Not that the media could ever do anything to warm me up to her, she is still the only Dem candidate whom the thought of being in office actually scares me.

[Perry Logan]

28. "Not that the media could ever do anything to warm me up to her." This speaks volumes.

[MGKrebs]

29. A couple of interesting notes from the study:

Just five candidates have been the focus of more than half of all the coverage. Hillary Clinton received the most (17% of stories), though she can thank the overwhelming and largely negative attention of conservative talk radio hosts for much of the edge in total volume.

... Elizabeth Edwards, a candidate spouse, received more attention than 10 of them, and nearly as much as her husband.

Newspapers were more positive than other media about Democrats and more citizen-oriented in framing stories. Talk radio was more negative about almost every candidate than any other outlet. Network television was more focused than other media on the personal backgrounds of candidates. For all sectors, however, strategy and horse race were front and center.

http://journalism.org/node/8187