Where have all the heroes gone?

[MellowOne]

Am I the only one who felt let down after the candidates debate? Where's our strong experienced candidate to rescue us from the evil corrupt Republicans. Where's a JFK type when we need him?

I don't know one person, and I know lots of people, who want Hillary.

[MellowOne]

1. no replies

The answer my friend must be blowing in the wind.

[Clintonista2]

2. I want Hillary

There's one person.

[MellowOne]

4. Hillary is not a hero.

She has never stood up against the Bush evil machine during all the years and all the scandals.

[Clintonista2]

6. You said you don't know anybody who wants Hillary

I want Hillary. Now you know someone who wants her.

[MellowOne]

8. I said people I know

I don't know you. I haven't talk to one person who supports her and I'm in broadcasting. It's weird.

[Clintonista2]

9. Ok. I don't know a single person in real life that supports:

Al Gore
Dennis Kucinich
Mike Gravel
Barack Obama
John Edwards


I geuss they don't exist.

[MellowOne]

11. Well, I do know people who support

Edwards
Obama
Gore
Richardson

So they do exist.

[Clintonista2]

21. And I know people who support Hillary

So they exist, aswell.

[Divine Discontent]

12. I said this same thing weeks ago...

I don't know ONE person who supports Hillary and I get out and about. The one person that originally liked her as candidate changed their mind months ago when they saw her connections to corporate ties, how one of the top guy's in her campaign was a union busting Blackwater hired gun attorney and so they left her fast. So, for several months, I've only heard from people I know, they want Edwards or Gore. One friend had Obama as #1 til he wouldn't put his hand on his heart during the national anthem when every other candidate did and said that it offended his father's service to this country and made him look militant Muslim - and he truly was 100% behind Obama instead of Edwards, now he wants Edwards or Gore just like everyone I've talked to for a year.

Of course there are informed folks who want Hillary, Bill, Joe, etc. out there, but, I've not run across them in person. But, look at it this way, think how BAD Repubs must feel about picking someone from that cesspool of candidates! ha

[napi21]

3. What kind of person would you consider a hero? n/t

[MellowOne]

5. John Conyers and Al Gore

People with a strong voice and not afraid to speak their minds even if he caused controversy.

[napi21]

16. I don't disagree with you, but let me tell you what a clos Dem friend

of mine said the other day that REALLY surprised me. We were talking politics as usual, and she said "There's something I really want to know! During the debate (not this last one, but the one before it) all the candidates were asked if they would COMMIT to having ALL the troops out of Iraq by the end of their first term. NONE of the front runners would commit to that! WHY?"

I gave her MY opinion, that it was because there is so many unpredictable things that could happen in FIVE YEARS (there term will end in 2013!) and few if any a President has total control over. I certainly never commit to anything unless I PERSONALLY have the total control to make it happen, and I think any candidate would be foolish to make a commitment like that. They can say I will do everything possible to make sure that happens, but that's about as far as they really can go.

NOW FOR THE PART THAT SURPRISED ME!

She said "Who cares? By the time that came to pass, they'd already be President! I WANT to hear them say it NOW, and if they don't do it, nobody wouldbe able to do anything about it anyway!"


I couldn't believe my ears! I asked her if she really wanted them to lie to her? She said YES! Now, maybe she's an oddball, or maybe it's just me, but how many other voters just want to be told what they want to hear, wether it's true or not?

[China_cat]

14. Somebody who could speak truth to power

and not be intimidated into apologizing later for speaking that truth.

[DesertFlower]

7. IMO, the candidate who comes

the closest is barak obama. at least he's not taking money from lobbyists.

[Divine Discontent]

10. what do you want from someone to make them a hero?

I thought Edwards and Obama handled themselves quite well in the debate, as did Biden. They seem heroic. Obviously, we all would like Gore, but he doesn't want to answer the call millions of people have dialed in to him, so, what does one of them need to do to get your affections as "hero". I thought Edwards Heroes introduction video to Iowan voters that marks his first foray into TV in this election there, was wonderfully inspiring, and tells us we're all heroes if we're fighting for our rights in a corrupt system...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7WbBuukrzo

[MellowOne]

13. No one had the take charge attitude I'm longing for

like John Conyers...think of all he did. We need a president with his integrity, and heart. People who make a difference in the world. Who change the direction of an evil and corrput system.

Edwards did talk about the corruption in the government but will he do anything about it? If he makes me believe then he has my vote.

[Divine Discontent]

18. I agree...

Conyers was quite vociferous against the slimy 'this is how it's done' ways of DC. He's being silenced now somewhat it seems by the other leaders in the party. Edwards, if he will keep up the level of hope & vocal assault on the crime in DC will solidify my vote come primary time. I'm open to changing to Biden or Gore, that's about it. The others have shown me too much to make me question their ability to lead. So, to have 3 people to choose from if Gore would get in before Thanksgiving (which of course he won't but it's a nice dream) is good. I feel kinda bummed that are top 2 right now have so much negative behind them.

I mean, with Edwards they have the hair silliness to gripe about and his big house, but he does all the right things on the stump and is fighting for the working class and for healthcare and an end to war, and when I saw the video yesterday of Barack standing stone still not facing the big flag, while our national anthem was sung, during a time of "war" and all the other DEM candidates either with their hands on their hearts or with their hands on their hearts facing the flag (Biden & Edwards), I thought, oh goodness, there's a commercial they'll run with 24/7, and I've already got the email forward twice about Barack Hussein Obama being raised in a Muslim school, etc...

He offended gay people recently, so I was sunk by that, and thought, greatttt, my backup to Edwards has done two things which makes it very unlikely I'll vote for him. The ability to win plays into my vote - and I don't think he's capable at all of winning, even though I don't like Hillary's politics, I think she's capable of winning if I can't have Edwards/Biden/Gore.


Thanks for letting me have something to respond to, and posting your original thread. Take care! :)

[sandnsea]

15. Somebody has been taking charge

But he speaks in complete sentences and we can't have that.

[Bitwit1234]

17. Hell where are YOU living in the middle of Idaho

Every body.....I know here and on the list and sites I belong to say she is GOING TO BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT..I guess when you live in a red state you pick up their habits.

[Uben]

20. I don't need a hero, and I don't want a Nero!

It's not a hero I'm looking for. There is no one person who can turn this thing around. No president can do what is neccessary without a congress who wants to achieve the same goals, and that seems a very remore possibility at this point. The problem goes deeper than democrats and republicans. The problem is "big money". It influences everything, whether it's democrats or republicans in charge. Until we can find a way to take that influence away, we are going to have big problems.

For a start, we need publicly financed elections, so every candidate is on an even keel with the rest. Where ideology and competence trumps the ability to raise monies for campaigning. Second, we need to strictly limit monetary input by corporations in our government, except for the taxes they pay.


Here is a pretty radical idea that I think would help us out immensely........two-year term limits for both house reps and senators.....with no consecutive terms. I don't think the founders ever thought the corruption would get to the point it is today, thus there were not adequate deterrents to avoid it. It doesn't take a hero to run this country, it just takes honest people with the people's interests at heart.

[Uncle Joe]

19. It seems to me our society has been busy demonizing heroes.

I believe this is because the powers that be want us to remain as non-thinking compliant sheep, when someone of true substance comes along in a leadership position, those in power feel threatened by their own guilt and fear of losing control and thus feel compelled to tear said hero down in order to make them selves feel larger than they are.

I keep thinking of Tina Turner's song "We Don't Need Another Hero" I believe we've always needed them, not to take the journey or carry the load alone, but to serve as a rallying point. You can tell people subconsciously need heroes, because if someone does something that may be good but not great, they are easily labeled as heroes. I believe this dilutes the true meaning of the word but it serves as an indicator of a deep emotional or subconscious need of the people. Ironically another way you can tell, are by the very people that criticize others by what they perceive as hero worship, I believe this is directly related to their fear of being disappointed or hurt. A couple of things to keep in mind, one heroes never tear down the weak and two heroes are not only human, they can be the most human of all.

Thanks for the thread, MellowOne.

[MellowOne]

27. Thank you, Uncle Joe

I love your reply!

[SaveElmer]

22. Hillary is a Hero...

How do you suppose you would have felt about JFK BEFORE the election in 1960...undistinguished Congressman and Senator....father a shady businessman...running for President largely because his older brother who had been tagged for the role by his father...was killed in the war...

Would you classify JFK as a hero before 1960...

Heroes become heroes based on their performance...

Hillary has done that so far, and I think should she win next year, will be a great President...

[iverglas]

23. the "dream candidate"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/18/AR2007051801648_pf.html

... Martin <Sheen> later told me that <Harry Reid> all but begged him to run for the U.S. Senate in Ohio, Martin's home state. Martin didn't have to think about it. In a real-life version of the confident, decisive political style of his "West Wing" character, President Josiah "Jed" Bartlet, Martin immediately declined. "I'm not a politician," he said. "I just play one on TV."

... Now the Republicans are looking to a TV star, Fred Thompson of "Law & Order" fame, as their dream candidate for president. We've been here before, watching uninspiring presidential candidates jockey for the nomination while the dream candidate lurks offstage.

... And the voters look for dream candidates because they crave authenticity. Authenticity is hard to fake. Just ask the presidential candidates. They each face authenticity challenges. ...

... In fact, the two most authentic candidates in the field are Democrats Chris Dodd of Connecticut and Joe Biden of Delaware. Unfortunately for them, they are authentic senators -- not a group that voters usually promote to higher office.

... In each episode <of West Wing>, they have seen either a president played by Martin Sheen or a presidential candidate (the tax-cutting Republican played by Alan Alda, the liberal Democrat played by Jimmy Smits) who was always at least trying to be true to his ideals. For the audience, it's the trying that counts. As voters, it's all they ask. If they saw a candidate like that -- a real-life Bartlet, whether a Democrat or a Republican -- in a real campaign, it would be a landslide.

If only photoshop worked in real life, eh? ;)

Or if there were a Wizard, who could hand out hearts and brains and guts to those in need of one or another ...

[CK_John]

24. The winning ticket will be Hillary/K Sebelius. n/t

[LWolf]

25. If you didn't see him up there, you weren't paying attention.

No, he didn't have a rousing night. He didn't get a chance to speak for the first 25 minutes or so, and then he didn't get many chances. When he did, he got the "ufo" question.

Consider that payback for daring to force a vote in the house on H Res 333, impeaching Cheney. Look for that move on Monday.

[90-percent]

26. I WANT

Who among us is the next Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, Thomas Paine, and so on. Those guys had courage and honor. Nobody out there projects any sense of understanding the importance of losing what our elders fought for. The USA used to stand to the World as a shining lighthouse of principals all of humanity should share.

Now we stand for nothing more than being ordered to "go shopping" when the gravest decisions a president could make are not checked by any constitutional mechanism, because our laws apply selectively?

-85% Jimmy