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tobys Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 04:45 AM
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Dean grassroots: Please don't be discouraged
Dear Howard Dean supporters,

I know that this is a difficult time for you when the candidate that led your movement to reclaim America has ended his active campaigning for the nomination. I know what it means to have devoted hours upon hours, day after day, week after week, and month after month, at the expense of any semblance to normal life, to a cause that one passionately believes in.

I want to write to you and reach out to you because I believe that the task of reclaiming our democracy still lies ahead. The corporate controlled media that played a central and crucial role in derailing the Dean movement is now trying to convince everyone that the Democratic nomination race for all practical purposes is over. They are trying to convince people to go along with the front-runner by giving the impression that it is the only option available to them. The truth is that the race is in fact not over, and John Kerry has not won yet, and will probably not win according to my analyses.

Kerry currently stands with 495 pledged delegates, out of the 3520 total delegates that can be won through the primaries. Kerry's opponents currently have a total of 339 delegates. The final nominee needs to have 2161 delegates to secure the nomination. Kerry needs 1666 additional pledged delegates to have the nomination locked up. There are still 2686 pledged delegates that have not been voted on or awarded to anyone. That means Kerry has to get 62% of the remaining delegates to lock up the nomination. Additionally there are 801 super-delegates, who are free to vote any which way they like at the actual nominating convention in July. It is still possible for someone other than Kerry to get to the finish line. It is also possible that none of the candidates will get the required 2161 delegates, leading to the situation of a brokered convention. In a brokered convention the candidate going in with the most momentum and the candidate that convinces the most delegates at the convention that he/she represents the best interests of the Democratic Party and has the best shot at beating George Bush is most likely to win the nomination at the convention.

I would also like to present my brief analyses of the situation on the ground and what I expect to happen in the future. Currently Kerry is the undisputed front-runner. He has won the most states and has the largest number of delegates. The media has prematurely proclaimed him to be a sure shot, or at worst in a two-way race with Edwards. Things can't get any better for him. But they can get worse. He suffers from the same risks that any front-runner does. He has Edwards close on his heels. Edwards has momentum going forward after Wisconsin, while Kerry has lost much of his momentum. Although he won in Wisconsin, he got only a narrow lead over Edwards. The media will give increasing coverage as well as scrutiny to Edwards, as is typical in their horse race like coverage of the primaries. Since Edwards doesn't have a long enough track record in politics, it will be harder for the media to dig up as much dirt on him. I expect that as Edwards' media coverage increases, so too will his poll ratings as well as his performance in the subsequent primaries, possibly knocking the Kerry train off the tracks. During this whole time, I fully expect the media to continue ignoring the existence of the Kucinich campaign, the fact that he is still actively campaigning, and that he is not out despite their attempts to derail him.

Then there is the situation of money. As of January 31st, Kucinich had $2.6 million cash on hand, Kerry had $1.6 million, Edwards had $275 thousand, and Sharpton had $7 thousand. Dean had the largest amount at $9.6 million, which I'm guessing will be useful to his movement in the new PAC that he is considering forming.

At this point, Kerry has the highest burn rate of money, and will quickly run out, unless he can sustain a healthy fundraising from his supporters. His campaign also has a loan of around $6 million that it owes to John Kerry who mortgaged his home in Boston to provide that loan to his campaign. If he has trouble raising funds to keep him in the race, he will have even more trouble raising funds to pay off his campaign debt which he secured by mortgaging his home. The fact that he has opted out of FEC public funding also hurts his ability to maximize his fundraising. It's true that he now has no spending limits, but where is that money going to come from?

John Edwards has even less money than Kerry, but his increasing momentum should help him raise just enough to stay in the race. His eligibility for FEC matching funds will allow him to get additional leverage out his donations as well.

Dennis Kucinich has the most amount of money at hand of the remaining candidates and has the lowest burn rate. He is also eligible for FEC matching funds and thus can get maximum leverage out of his contributions. He is still successfully raising more money from his supporters, despite the near complete media black-out. It is quite safe to assume that he will have enough funds to keep actively campaigning all the way to the convention in July.

Although Dean ran an amazing campaign which will be credited in history books as having transformed politics and campaigning, he was forced into a premature ending of his campaign for President. The circumstances are well known to all Dean supporters as well as anybody with common sense to see what was going on. Despite this, Dean has contributed to keeping the issues that concern ordinary Americans in the mainstream political debates and caused the other candidates to take up those issues too, which they might not have otherwise. Dean can be credited with bringing a lot of new people concerned about their country into politics and taught them that they can change their country and that their voice matters. This movement, and power, must not be allowed to end, even if Dean is no longer actively campaigning for the nomination.

Just like the Dean supporters have experienced and know first hand how the media will conspire to keep issues out of politics and to trivialize political debate into a horse race, rather than a critical discussion based on issues, they have kept another brave and honest candidate out of the public spotlight because he too, just like Howard Dean, speaks the truth. The truth is like Kryptonite to the media and their bosses. Just like the media has caused irreparable harm to the Dean movement for representing the aspirations of ordinary people and speaking the truth, the same media has also tried to cause irreparable harm to the Kucinich movement by either keeping it hidden away, or if they do provide any coverage, it does not vary from the theme of him being a fringe and a long shot candidate, or some other trivial matter such as his personal romantic life. What about the issues? I hope some of you can see that Kucinich is a victim of the media just as Howard Dean is.

Just like Howard Dean, Dennis Kucinich is continuing the fight for the progressive agenda. So far, he has not been forced out of the race, and his campaign is still in place on the ground in all the remaining and he is on the ballot in all the remaining states, where his campaign will keep working to bring the voters out. My prediction is that John Kerry will be dropping out of this race pretty soon, after failing to win over 50% of the delegates in several successive states yet to come. This will leave Edwards, Kucinich and Sharpton in the race for the nomination. Sharpton will remain in the race all the way to the convention simply because he is the only progressive candidate who has shown consistent ability to pick up delegates in black population areas and solidify the black voter bloc. Although he is most definitely a long shot for the nomination, he might have some impact in determining who the final nominee is going to be. This leaves the wide open between Edwards and Kucinich. To progressive democrats the choice between these two candidates should be quite clear. Although a populist to some extent, Edwards is no match compared to Kucinich in terms of platform, and if Kucinich picks up just enough delegates to keep Edwards from locking up the nomination, it will lead to the situation of a brokered convention, where Kucinich will have as much chance as any of the remaining candidates to get the nomination. At this point, Dean supporters have the choice of voting for either Dean in the primaries, or for one of the other four candidates that is remaining in the field. It is something that Dean supporters need to discuss amongst themselves to come to the best decision about their course of action. The end goal would be to send progressive delegates to the convention.

I would like to extend my hand of friendship on behalf of the Kucinich movement and ask the Dean supporters to join us in working to get progressive delegates elected to the national convention. I know that this has been a very competitive primary campaign season where a lot of feet have been trampled upon and lot of feelings hurt on both sides. These sort of feelings lead to bruised egos and can get in the way of reconciliation and working together for a greater cause. For the sake of working together to reclaim America from corporate warmongers, I ask that we bury the hatchet rather than beat each other on the head with it.

There is too much at stake to let the media decide who our next president is going to be. The whole world is looking at the outcome of the US elections for the very sake of the survival of our only planet Earth. The war and occupation in Iraq still continues, the jobs in American keep being outsourced while corporations are continually allowed to keep exploiting foreign workers, millions of Americans are still without health care, and the list goes on and on.

The reasons for why Dean's candidacy was relevant and important are still true today. The task of reclaiming our democracy still lies ahead. Dennis Kucinich is still in the trenches fighting to prevent the media from deciding the nominee. The plan of the Dean movement for the progressive transformation of the Democratic Party as well as helping to elect Democratic candidates to Congress is commendable. But in addition to that, there is still a great need to keep fighting to get a progressive candidate nominated on the Democratic Party ticket. I don't believe that Edwards or Kerry meet that qualification.

I urge and request you all to take a closer second look at Dennis Kucinich. If you have time to check out only one resource, then I would recommend watching his speech to the King County Democrats in Seattle, WA, available at the following site: http://www.kucinich-washington.org/videos/kcdems56.ram

Additional information on the issues is available on his website and I encourage everyone to at least sign-up to keep themselves aware of what is going on in the campaign of the only remaining progressive alternative in the race: http://www.kucinich.us/

I have been paying close attention to what Howard Dean has been saying and one of his best lines, that still holds true is that you have the power. This is a fact that does not ever change. You made the Howard Dean movement the power that it is, and you still have that power.

Hope is still alive, and as long as we the people keep fighting, we will win.

In Peace and Solidarity,
Tayyab Siddiqui,
East Coast Coordinator of Muslims for Kucinich.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 04:58 AM
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1. Thanks For The Laugh!
I've had more than enough looks at Kucinich, and the more I see, the more I loathe him. I feel sorry for his supporters when he mocks the importance of this primary season with his dating stunts (two so far in this campaign). If he can't take his own campaign seriously, why should anyone else?
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:03 AM
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3. ..........
<sigh>
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tobys Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:25 AM
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6. Glad to at least amuse you
Although I disagree with you that Kucinich does not take his campaign seriously.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:34 AM
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7. We Have A Different Understanding of What is Serious
I think running for President is too important to spend any time playing a public dating game, let alone two of them. I think that shows that that that candidate does not take his campaign seriously. I think that changing one's position on reproductive rights right before announcing a run for the presidency shows a lack of sincerity - for either his previously held position or the one he says he now favors. I have read his writings and interviews, and I find it very hard to take this man seriously - an opinion apparently shared by the primary voters, who have to date given him fewer than five delegates.

I am grateful that I will never be in a position to vote in a presidential election where Kucinich's name is listed as the Democratic nominee.
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tobys Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:45 AM
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8. The pro-choice switch makes sense
if you consider his explanation that a lot of women in his life helped him come to that decision. I can go at length about this, but I myself have switched my views from pro-life to pro-choice on abortion for the very same reasons. If it is a change for the better, I would not hold it against him.

I can give you examples where Dean changed his position from a more regressive stand to a more progressive stand, and I will never hold it against him, because it is a change for the better.

The dating game was just another thing that media started, and Kucinich went along with it because short of that, there is hardly any media attention that he gets, and if nothing else, these dating games helped to get his name out to people who had mostly not even heard of his name. The next step for him is to get the media to carry his stand on the issues, which is a much more uphill battle.

If you are in a position where you would rather see Kerry, Edwards, or Dean be the nominee, then by all means vote for one of them, and don't vote for Kucinich because that will be going against your principles.

But for anyone else, who actually likes Kucinich, I would ask them for their support.
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 02:30 AM
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27. Point of fact- purely for accuracy.
The first "dating stunt" had zero to do with Dennis Kucinich or his campaign. Politics New Hampshire (a website based in New Jersey, WTF?!) chose to advertise a "contest" without so much as confirming their promised "prize" with either Kucinich or his campaign. When confronted wit the fact that well over 80 women of varying ages had sent in entries, he chose to be gracious and not disappoint the "winner" of a contest he had nothing to do with arranging.

Mind you, Politics New Hampshire was considerably less gracious given their own rather presumptuous behavior and opted to cut off the entries when the response became overwhelming for them. I have it on good authority that several hundred women sent in responses to that contest.

The second "dating stunt" was accepted as an opportunity to show the voting public that Kucinich is not always the strident serious and occasionally angry man he appears if seen only in a debate setting. It's called FUN. You might want to try it sometime.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:02 AM
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2. I appreciate your post.
I honestly like Kucinich, and I know that I can speak for the rest of Dean supporters in saying that I have the utmost respect for him. He is a man of REAL integrity, strength, and VALUE. He does and will always have a very important place in the Democratic party, for now and no matter what happens in the future.

I'm sorry to say, though, that I think we're going to go ahead with our votes in the primary for Dean. Just as we counted on Dean to speak up for us, he's counting on us now to speak up for him. And we're going to.

But also know that given any unforeseen circumstances in the future that would disallow us from voting for Dean in the primary, the vast majority of us would certainly vote for Kucinich.

We love Dennis and understand the profoundly important role he plays in the party and in fighting for the American people today, and we thank him, from the bottom of our hearts, for his dedication. He's a true American hero. :)
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:15 AM
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4. No, You Do Not Speak for "the Rest of the Dean Supporters"
Edited on Fri Feb-20-04 05:16 AM by REP
I have ZERO respect for Kucinich, and I have no love for him. I am not the only one. You may speak for some, but not all, and not by a long shot.
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boilerbabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 06:14 AM
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12. Am curious, why do you not like kucinich?
I am a Dean supporter, and I would like to know what your viewpoint is...PM me if you want to...I need to know what's really going on here!!
Thanks...
Jo-lee
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tobys Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:23 AM
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5. Thanks for those words
I understand and respect your decision to stick by Dean if that is what you feel is the best course of action. Just don't let go of your power!
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boilerbabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 06:11 AM
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11. You have said it just about how I would have...
I am a Dean supporter, but also like Kucinich, you have pretty much said it how I would have! I don't think either of our guys stand a chance, at this time, though...so we will probably have to take the lesser of the 2 evils so to speak! I don't particularly care for the presentation of the person who is trying to woo us Deanies into his fold. I stayed away from DU during the most dirty fighting for this reason. I have spent a lot of time, energy, and money into Howard Dean's campaign. And I am not so easily swayed over to some one else's campaign...so I will just hang until then...
XXXOOO
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:48 AM
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9. Don't be discouraged... working on taking over the party
like the evangelicals did to the Repugs...

It's time for generational change... and well past time to throw out the moneychangers.
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:48 AM
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10. Kucinich is a good guy
but he has as much of a chance as getting the nod as bob novak.
all these fringe candidates who havent earned but a handful of delegates
arent going to overnight change the electorate and force them to like them.
The primarys as front loaded as they are are picking Kerry he was never my first choice but he appears to be a majority of those who have voted's choice.So aparently they LIKE him the most out of the original 10 candidates.
Support your guy fight for your guy But if you are holding a special bottle of wine to open when they get the nod..That bottle will not be poped.
I hate bursting bubbles Because mine was burst when Wes left.
But i opened my Wine anyway and carried on.
would these ignored candidates make outstanding presidents well yeah!
But everyone dosent see in your guy what you do...
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Carl21014 Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 06:16 AM
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13. I can't help finding the Kucinich plea insulting!
I never really understood why Dean was under pressure to quit when he was in second place in the delegate count, and Edwards still has seen no pressure to drop out. But at least Edwards is viable.

But Kucinich has never, and will never be a serious candidate. So stop already with the plea to have Dean supporters join your protest vote. Most of us actually thought our candidate would win, we weren't making a protest vote.
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tobys Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 11:39 PM
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19. If I thought Kucinich had no chance of winning,
then I would not have spent all my time for the past several months trying to help the Kucinich campaign.

I disagree with you that a vote for Kucinich is a protest vote. I do think that Kucinich can win, and has an actual chance of picking up delegates in the upcoming primaries on Super Tuesday. Almost all the people who are actively campaigning strongly believe that as well.

I am really sorry to be saying this to you, but at this point, when Dean has stopped actively campaigning for the nomination, he is much less likely to reach the threshold of 15% viability to qualify for delegates than even Kucinich. A vote for Dean at this point is more likely to be a protest vote than a vote for Kucinich.

I don't understand why you have to find the Kucinich plea insulting? Isn't this election supposed to be about getting our voice in the government? Isn't it the issues that concern all of us what the "movement" is all about? Does it really matter if the person is leading the movement is Dean or Kucinich?

If, the Dean movement was about advancing progressive politics and getting the government back for the people, then I see that Kucinich is the next best alternative for Dean supporters, now that Dean is out of the race, and unlikely to pick up any more delegates.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 06:38 AM
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14. Here's an unvarnished, cutthroat political observation for you.
If the Dean campaign were to jump ship to the Kucinich camp, it wouldn't be enough to deny Kerry the nomination. Edwards is still in the race and if he were to drop out, it's very unlikely that the support he has would then go to Kucinich. If the Dean campaign were to throw its support to Edwards it might be enough to put him over the top and he would OWE us BIG TIME.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 07:09 AM
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16. That decision need not be made until the convention, though.
If Kerry gets enough delegates prior to the convention, the point is moot. If he doesn't, Dean's delegates will have real value. THAT'S where we make deals, if any are to be made.

Actually, I dislike Kerry and Edwards equally. I think Bush would have a harder time with Kerry, though. I don't know that I want Edwards to be the candidate.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 07:13 AM
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17. Of course.
I don't know that I agree that Bush would have a harder time with Kerry, however.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 07:20 AM
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18. I don't know for sure, either.
I'm basically disheartened that, apparently, Kerry and Edwards are our two choices. Hopefully, Dean can do well enough in the delegate count to show the party that it's the movement that we support, not just the man. If that happens, we have a chance at having a voice in the new administration and the future shaping of the party.
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tobys Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 11:43 PM
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20. If you want to support Edwards
for the reasons that you have mentioned, then go right ahead. Edwards is still a more progressive candidate than Kerry, at least in terms of his domestic and economic agenda, but unfortuntely not on his foreign policy or his social views such as gay right or death penalty. To me, voting for Edwards is a compromise compared to Kucinich, but still better than a vote for Kerry.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 07:09 AM
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15. If only once, just once
Kucinich had pointed his guns at anyone other than Dean.
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Paulie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 11:51 PM
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21. He did, just wasn't reported unless you looked
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tobys Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 11:55 PM
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22. Where did you get this impression
that Kucinich singled out and confronted only Dean in the camapaigning?

Kucinich first of all has targetted all of his positions against Bush on nearly every issue and has unequivocally and uncompromisingly spoken against Bush's policies.

He has also taken to task the establishment Democrats, in the party and Congress for failing to speak up to George Bush and stop him from his mad adventures. In his campaign, he has pointed out the policies of candidates who he felt were incorrect in their stand and persuaded them to change their stand as well as rhetoric. I remember Kucinich challenging Gephardt for not speaking out against Bush's war plans when he met him in the rose garden. He has critisized Kerry, Gephardt, and Edwards for their vote allowing Bush to go to war. In a similar vein, he has challenged Governor Dean to clarify his position on where he stands on certain issues, or challenged him for having a position which he differed from. What is wrong with doing that? It was not a personal attack or a smear, but simply a debate about issues. Isn't that part of the democratic debate process?
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-04 02:38 AM
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28. What guns?
You mean challlenging the Governor on his refusal to cut the defense budget while claiming he can balance the federal budget?

Or maybe you mean the Edwards deal everyone seems to be so stuck on?

I'll ask again, those of the Dean supporters so pissed off about Kucinich breaking from principal ONE time in his entire campaign, were you equally pissed off at your own candidate for abandoning public finance limitations? Both decisions are based in identical thinking and strategy- there are moments when stuck with a system you want to change that working it as is is the sole way to move ahead.

When the Edwards deal went down in Iowa was when I let loose my anger with Dean over public financing. That's when the facts of this f*cked up system became totally clear along with Governor Dean's reasoning.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 11:57 PM
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23. We'll try to not be discouraged.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 12:31 AM
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24. Oh I'm not discouraged
We Dean Supporters and Gov. Dean have already won.

We wrote the democratic platform already.

Without us, you'd still be discussing Gephardt's rose garden stunt.
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tobys Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 03:04 AM
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25. Congratulations!
I do acknowledge the tremendous contribution that the Dean campaign has made on the Democratic Party platform. It is indeed a victory for Dean and his supporters.

My concern is that the job is still not done. We still need to send a progressive candidate to the White House. Even though the party platform has been written, what guarantee is there that the current front runners Kerry and Edwards, who do not have strong progressive records, will stick with that party platform once they get into office?

There is still a war going on that is detrimental to our national security. A war which was based on lies and has turned into an ugly quagmire. If we don't end this occupation and bring our troops home, the draft will have to be reinstated. Jobs, healthcare, economy, education, civil rights are still big challenges that need to be dealt with. NAFTA and WTO are still exploitative bodies representing only the interests of big global coporations that need to be regulated.

The fight is not over, and Dennis Kucinich will take it all the way to the Convention in July, and then all the way to the White House in November. I don't see a good reason for not joining the movement.
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tobys Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 11:58 AM
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26. kick
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