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DannyRed Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 01:53 AM
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Dean's Rough Ride
I post this as a counterpunch to the piece posted earlier written by Norm Solomon.

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=20040308&s=greider

Dean's Rough Ride

by William Greider

In forty years of observing presidential contests, I cannot remember another major candidate brutalized so intensely by the media, with the possible exception of George Wallace. Howard Dean contributed some fatal errors of his own, to be sure, but he also brought fresh air and new ideas, a crisp call to revitalize the Democratic Party and at least the outlines of deeper political and economic reforms. The reporters, as surrogate agents for Washington's insider sensibilities, blew him off. Dean's big mistake was in not recognizing, up front, that the media are very much part of the existing order and were bound to be hostile to his provocative kind of politics. To be heard, clearly and accurately, he would have had to find another channel.

<snip>

OK, the doctor stuck his chin out, and he got his head knocked off. "Politics is a dirty business," as Hunter Thompson used to say. The Dean campaign--and the candidate himself--failed to define the man and his agenda on his own terms before the media and his rivals defined him, on theirs, as a one-note ranter. (The campaign did try, I know. Back in the fall, when I was invited to contribute ideas, Joe Trippi and others emphasized the need to go way beyond the Iraq war and lay out a far-sighted reform agenda. A few speeches were drafted, but by the time they were delivered the onslaught of attacks by the rivals and daily "gotchas" by the press was already under way, blocking them out.) I am reminded, by contrast, of the great communicator, Ronald Reagan, who early in the 1980 campaign began broadcasting content-rich commercials--the Gipper talking straight into the camera, articulating his views on government, enterprise, the welfare state and other big subjects--educating the public one-on-one, without filters. My hunch, only a hunch, is that Dean and his staff were beguiled by their own press clippings and poll ratings into thinking they would have plenty of time later (after they swept Iowa and New Hampshire) to flesh out their portrait of the man, and what he believes about the country's potential. Never happened.

<snip>

Despite the spectacle of his cratered campaign, Howard Dean did accomplish something real for democracy. First, he confirmed the existence of an energetic, informed dissent within the husk of the Democratic Party. An amorphous force, to be sure, but I do not think it will go away. Don't hold me to the numbers, but one campaign veteran told me 70 percent of the citizens on Dean's much-admired computer list are over 30--a broader base than the stereotype. On the other hand, 25 percent of the money contributed came from people under 30--impressive too. The Dean campaign demonstrated, most dramatically, that people can make their own politics via the Internet and elsewhere by raising lots of money from outsiders, i.e., mere citizens.

<snip>

What the Dean campaign clearly did not accomplish (in addition to formulating a smart countermedia strategy) was to find ways to develop the flesh-and-blood relationships that can become enduring building blocks in politics--de Tocqueville's "associations" or labor's "collective action." The Meet-Ups are a rough start. MoveOn.org is an impressive organizing engine. We may be witnessing the early stages of small-d democratic renewal, in which people impose new technologies and new social realities on tired old institutions. As Howard Dean's rough ride reminds, established power, including the media, will resist change tenaciously. But the doctor may yet be remembered as the herald of something new.

My comments are below:

I find this article immensely more informative and deep-thinking that Norm Solomon's take on the "internet bubble collapse" and his critique of "non grassroots".

I think Greider lays out a case for calling the Dean Campaign "grass seeds" rather than "grass roots" and although I am not entirely sure I agree, I can see his point.

Finally, in the paragraphs I snipped, you will find a pretty definitive case made for the argument that Media savagery and insider gamesmanship had a LOT to do with the campaign's stumbles and ultimate losses and suspension/demise.

Fire away.
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david_vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 02:03 AM
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1. I agree
I was neither for nor against Dean, but I liked what he had
to say and felt - and still feel - that he might make a very
fine President.
I'm in agreement with what Greider has to say, and also with
your interpretation. There's not a shadow of a doubt that
Dean's campaign was assassinated.
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Anwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 02:04 AM
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2. All I can say is:
I agree. This is one of the more insightful articles I've read regarding the media's role in Dean's collapse. Surely he made some mistakes -- he is after all human. But the press demonized his flaws (if you can call them that, I don't call passion a flaw) and ruthlessly brutalized him to the point of no recovery.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 02:06 AM
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3. Actually there's no doubt. The media BOAST about how they tanked him.
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 02:15 AM
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4. Excellent article link DannyRed
I like this part a lot:

"We may be witnessing the early stages of small-d democratic renewal, in which people impose new technologies and new social realities on tired old institutions."

----------------------------
I am ready to smash those tired old institutions like the media and the current primary system. I feel like the energy we have started, in this movement to take back our country, is going to happen in phases. The focus now is simply regime change in Nov. I hope it won't stop there. Whatever Democrat ends up in the White House, I intend to be just as active as I am now. No more cutting these guys any slack especially our own party. Otherwise we are going to take that occupant out just like we will bush in Nov.

Sonia
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eileen from OH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 02:47 AM
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5. I read this tonight and. . .
printed out many copies for our Dean Meetup (along with Molly Ivins piece.) Yes, we ARE having a Dean Meetup in March. We may move on to other candidates, we may change our focus, but we are the genie in the bottle and the toothpaste that can't go back in the tube and (insert your own tortured metaphor here) and hell, we ain't goin' away.

eileen from OH
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DannyRed Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 03:42 AM
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6. A kick
I want to see as much discussion of this article as there was of Norm Solomon's article...

I realize it is in the middle of the night in the US, and I am at a disadvantage due to my residing in Tokyo....

So, a Kick...and I would ask that some kind and enterprising DUer attempt to kick it up until the morning sun shines its light into all y'all's eyes...
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 07:52 AM
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7. kick for the morning crowd
:dem:

Sonia
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Mile Hi Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:39 AM
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8. The Media decided the outcome
When you keep hearing the media tell us the voting public that Dean should drop out (especially Wolf Blitzer) then the General public thinks there is something wrong with the candidate. It's wrong. We the public should decided.

Alan Keyes gave a speach the other day about the election process.
One thing he said I think hit it on the head.
"The difference between a horse race and an election is that the bettor is trying to pick the winner, but no matter which horse he bets on or how much doesn't determing the winner. In an election voters are trying to pick the winner so they can be on the "winning team." They are voting for the percieved winner and fulfilling the result by voting for the "winning" candidate. They aren't choosing the winner they are just voting for the winner."

It's so true. Most of the public get their info on candidates from the media and are influence who to vote for by them. Only a few actually look into what a candidate says and what their recor is.

As long as the media is limiting the field by telling the public that one candidate is more "electable" than another or this candidate can't win, then we truly don't have a choice. If we don't have choice then we don't have a democracy.

It's not only Dean. The media wanted to keep DK and Sharpton out of some debates. I even saw an interview with DK and under his picture read "Dennis the Menace" You think that might have influence a few people?
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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:42 AM
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9. Thoughtful analysis.
Edited on Fri Feb-20-04 08:42 AM by edzontar
Unlike Solomon, who has emerged as a flack for the powers that be.


Thanks
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:44 AM
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10. Fair analysis, in my opinion
eom
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 10:43 AM
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11. The best analysis yet
:kick:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 10:59 AM
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12. Quotes kick
"Too many of our leaders have made a devil's bargain with corporate and wealthy interests, saying 'I'll keep you in power if you keep me in power.'"

"As long as half the world's population subsists on less than two dollars a day, the US will not be secure.... A world populated by 'hostile have-nots' is not one in which US leadership can be sustained without coercion."

"Over the last thirty years, we have allowed multinational corporations and other special interests to use our nation's government to undermine our nation's promise."

"There is something about human beings that corporations can't deal with and that's our soul, our spirituality, who we are. We need to find a way in this country to understand--and to help each other understand--that there is a tremendous price to be paid for the supposed efficiency of big corporations. The price is losing the sense of who we are as human beings."

"In our nation, the people are sovereign, not the government. It is the people, not the media or the financial system or mega-corporations or the two political parties, who have the power to create change."



- Howard Dean

:kick:

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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 11:03 AM
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13. No coincidence, IMHO, that the three candidates savaged or ignored
by the media all want media breakup or media reform. Solomon was way off the mark.

From the outposts of Siberia, I support my ignored candidate, Dennis Kucinich!!

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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 11:27 AM
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14. my take on the cause
howard dean is a good man. maybe it does disqualify him from the presidency, but i just don't think he is able to see through the eyes of the scum that went after him. failure to machiavellian. fatal flaw in a candidate? maybe. sad, sad, but maybe.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 11:50 AM
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15. One of the more interesting things about this is the media punditry
gloating over their power and influence in the matter of taking down Dean.

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SeattleRob Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:17 PM
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16. the most telling paragraph...
For the record, reporters and editors deny that this occurred. Privately, they chortle over their accomplishment. At the Washington airport I ran into a bunch of them, including some old friends from long-ago campaigns, on their way to the next contest after Iowa. So, I remarked, you guys saved the Republic from the doctor. Yes, they assented with giggly pleasure, Dean was finished--though one newsmagazine correspondent confided the coverage would become more balanced once they went after Senator Kerry. Only Paul Begala of CNN demurred. "I don't know what you're talking about," Begala said, blank-faced. Nobody here but us gunslingers.


This article, along with the article about the Dean getting the "We have the Power" T-Shirt from the press corps, pisses me off. When are people going to open their eyes and wake up?


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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:18 PM
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17. You can't remember another candidate so brutalized by the media?
William Jefferson Clinton.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:40 PM
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20. Apparently our media...
have the institutional memory-span of a gnat. :eyes:
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SeattleRob Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 04:37 PM
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21. Clinton got hammered
but it was after he got into office. During his election, he hit that rough spot on Gennifer Flowers, but his interview with Hillary "Stand by you man" on 60 minutes, effectively diffused it.

During the 1992 election, while Clinton was getting press "scrutiny,"
he had the strong backing of the DNC and the DLC. Remember, Ron Brown was the head of the DNC at the time and they did everything the could to crush the insurgent campaign of Jerry Brown. He was the last candidate that posed a threat to Clinton getting the nomination. The establishment press also helped with those phony stories about Brown having pot parties. I seem to remember the story appearing on ABC nightline before an important primary.
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MurikanDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 09:39 AM
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25. Skewered and barbequed!
Clinton is the most egregious example. Gore got brutalized also.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:22 PM
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18. This is why I love Greider
He sums up the unspoken truths so well.

"The reporters, as surrogate agents for Washington's insider sensibilities, blew him off."
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:33 PM
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19. He also had a good point on something else:
Edited on Fri Feb-20-04 12:36 PM by dorktv
"This momentous knowledge is liberating--if people figure out how to use it in other places. I can imagine, for instance, insurgent challenges launched by young unknowns against Congressional incumbents, especially in Democratic primaries. Most of these incumbents haven't faced serious opposition in years. At a minimum, it would scare the crap out of them--always healthy for politicians. In my Washington experience, nothing alters voting behavior in Congress like seeing a few of their colleagues taken down by surprise--defeated by an outsider whose ideas they did not take seriously."


I know of two, myself and another friend, who are doing that. I am going congressional and he is going local. We are both young, 24 and 25 respectively and I have the support of most of the Dean campaign here in Hell.
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DannyRed Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 08:20 PM
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22. thanks for all the opinions...
I am still waiting for Will to post a substantve response...
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chocolateeater Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 10:49 PM
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23. Thank you for posting this good article. n/t
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 09:24 AM
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24. Kick for a Must Read


Except:
What the insiders loathed are the same qualities many of us found exhilarating. I already feel nostalgia for his distinctive one-liners:

"Too many of our leaders have made a devil's bargain with corporate and wealthy interests, saying 'I'll keep you in power if you keep me in power.'"

"As long as half the world's population subsists on less than two dollars a day, the US will not be secure.... A world populated by 'hostile have-nots' is not one in which US leadership can be sustained without coercion."

"Over the last thirty years, we have allowed multinational corporations and other special interests to use our nation's government to undermine our nation's promise."

"There is something about human beings that corporations can't deal with and that's our soul, our spirituality, who we are. We need to find a way in this country to understand--and to help each other understand--that there is a tremendous price to be paid for the supposed efficiency of big corporations. The price is losing the sense of who we are as human beings."

"In our nation, the people are sovereign, not the government. It is the people, not the media or the financial system or mega-corporations or the two political parties, who have the power to create change."

Do you not remember those remarks? Dean's best lines--evocative suggestions rather than explicit policy pronouncements--were not widely reported. In his brisk, scattered manner, he was talking about power, inviting people to contemplate the deteriorated condition of our democracy, expressing his solidarity with their skepticism and alienation. Audiences responded, but this sort of talk was too soft and allusive to constitute "news." Dean's style was indeed "hot"--"angry," the reporters said--but they simply couldn't deal with his reflective side; it didn't fit the caricature.

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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-04 10:23 AM
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26. Dammit, I'm crying again
God, I feel like we lost so much when Dean dropped out. It is nice to see that at least one of the media people "got" who Dean and his supporters are.
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