Hey Guys, here's to Dean endorsing Edwards & great Kerry/Edwards contest

[WiseMen]

WiseMen usually only does serious and pre-planned posts.

This is a change. Just ramling about Kerry/Edwards. I am reluctant to engage seriously because it is not clear that Edwards is a serious
contender.

Could be wrong but is occurs to me that in both Iowa and Wisconsin Edwards benefited by some artificial conditions which could be expected to boost his type of in-offensive upbeat candidacy.

In Iowa, some estimate that Edwards go an artifical 5 point boost from the deal with DK. Basically most of DK supporter went to Edwards because DK was usually under the 15% requirement at a caucus venue. This is above and beyond the benefits from the backlash from the Dean/Gep slugfest.

In Wisconsin, Edwards seems to have benefited from the completely open primary model. I assume that the Indi and Republican vote was much more influenced by the negative hits on Kerry from Rove than the Democratic vote and thus chose to check Edwards or even Dean rather that Kerry. Whatever the reason, it seems indisputable that
some of vote that went to Edwards was not committed since they said they were quite satisfied with the Bush admin.

What do you think? Dean needs to endorse Edwards for him to have a chance. If Super Tuesday goes to Edwards, so be it, I am ready to throw up my hands on voter sanity anyway.

Just thought: I Dean endorses Edwards, it would become a more exciting around here. Go Howard, before it's too late.

[SerpentX]

1. C'mon.

I am reluctant to engage seriously because it is not clear that Edwards is a serious contender.

Anyone who outpolls dumbellya by 10 points is a serious candidate. Give the man the credit he's due.

[WiseMen]

2. Good Point. How do you explain it. I think it is side effect of Corp Media

doing everyting possible to boost Edwards over Kerry.
Or, am I and my friends the only people that notice that
everytime Kerry wins the pundits spend most of the time discussing
Edwards. In addition to the fact that even the RW pundits are
vouching for Edwards qualities.

I think Edwards is a great candidate and campaigner, but not nearly
as qualified as John Kerry for the job.

So, average Joe does not care about quals? Ok, but I can deal with
that right now.

[ShaneGR]

3. Here's what I think

I think your desire for Kerry to win has clearly clouded your ability to reason and accept reality.

[Sensitivity]

4. You Mean the reality that the guys that don't win are the best candidates

Ok. Let's run DK in November. He is the best on progressive policies.

[SerpentX]

5. Right.

Because we all know that a woman's right to choose isn't a progressive issue.

[robsul82]

6. Truly, bro.

Kerry has been in the nurturing bosom of the media for a couple months now. The media has been shrieking "BUT HE'S ELECTABLE!" for a couple months now. Edwards has been the topic for a couple DAYS now because of the Miracle on Cheese. That's all.

Later.

RJS

[Sensitivity]

12. I suspect "electable" in a way of not giving credit, just like around here

[SerpentX]

7. "doing everyting possible to boost Edwards over Kerry"

I didn't see a whole lot of that before WI.

Or, am I and my friends the only people that notice that
everytime Kerry wins the pundits spend most of the time discussing
Edwards

I think might be the only ones. Most of the chatter had been about Dean or Kerry.

In addition to the fact that even the RW pundits are
vouching for Edwards qualities.

Yeah, I was shocked, just shocked I tell ya. I don't think those blowhards carry a lot of weight among primary voters.

I think Edwards is a great candidate and campaigner, but not nearly as qualified as John Kerry for the job.

So do I. But Edwards deserves a fair shot. Talking about his experience is legitimate criticism. Saying he's not a serious candidate is just a way to get a rise out of his supporters.

So, average Joe does not care about quals

Sounds like last night's "unsophisticated Kerry supporters" thread.

[WiseMen]

8. Pundits were discussing that fact among themselves on MSNBC

They explained it a being driven by the media desire to keep the
race going. I think it is good for us dems, anyway

[SerpentX]

9. Saw it.

But they weren't referring to the pre-WI coverage.

I think it is good for us dems, anyway

Good for the dems and good for Kerry. For whatever reason, he seems to do better under pressure.

[Guaranteed]

10. Dean won't do that.

I promise.

[WiseMen]

11. Endorsements are no biggy compared with what RW is continuing to do

Main reason to shorten the primaries is that Dem can focus on
fighting the massive RW slime campaign against Kerry via net rumors.
This is nothing new (it started from a year ago when Kerry was
the presumed front-runner) but it is really ramping up in the
background.

[HFishbine]

13. I think Dean had it right

when he cautioned previously that his supporters are independent minded and that he cannot guarantee any ability to persuade them to transfer their votes to another candidate.

About the only way Edwards could count on the support of Dean voters would be to announce Dean as his VP nominee.

[WiseMen]

17. Wonder if they will now join Nader effrort.

[edzontar]

14. Nothing could possibly make a Kerry-Edwards race "interesting."

They are both so "electable," after all.

[Sensitivity]

16. "Electable" is a Big Media way of avoiding giving Kerry credit. Insulting

as usual. And of course propagated by those who want to ignore
the campaign he has fought for the last 30 years for the progressive
cause.

I thought Dean was more electable that Kerry originally, because
he did not have the record of lefty positions that the right is
going to hang Kerry with.

I the dems really thought he was "electable" he could have run
long ago.

[revcarol]

15. Here's to Dean doing what Dean wants to do

and his supporters doing what they want to do!!

And no one else need be involved!!

Of course, no one will listen to me, because I am a supporter of one of the "unelectables," DENNIS KUCINCH.

[candy331]

18. Dean better think about that long and hard especially if

he has further plans as far as a progressive movement in mind is concerned because he could alienate a lot that have supported him and the true insiders have shown they want no part of him, just his supporters votes and money. Be careful Dean walk the tightrope very carefully or you may find yourself a man w/o a mission!