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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:32 PM Original message |
Seriously, are Clinton's chances of winning less now? |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. no. she will remain the same....or gain. nt. |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
2. You've obviously been pigging out on Halloween candy. |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Gee |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
3. It will make no difference. |
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josh_edwards07 (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
4. Absolutely |
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Welcome to DU |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
6. Yes - she's toast... |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
7. Yes, somewhat. She probably went from 90% chance to 86% |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. You crack me up.... |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
8. Not a bit. Only Gore could change the outcome. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
9. I doubt it. We'll find out soon enough with the next poll though. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
10. No, her chances are the same if not better |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
11. I doubt it |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
12. Doubt it |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
13. I don't believe it will have any impact at all. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
15. I think that will depend both on the resonance of the attacks and the followup. |
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Ninga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
17. A lot more has to happen. |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
33. No I do not believe in invincibility |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
18. I don't see any polling change from this one debate |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
19. Marginally...very, very marginally. |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
20. Clinton really does not stand for much of anything, |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:47 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Welcome to DU |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Thank you my friend. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. So, then, do you disagree with mandatory auto insurance? nt |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. that is WHY I DO NOT PAY IT! |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:06 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Okay. And who has found these laws unconstitutional? nt |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Do you want me to cite individual cases or case law? |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Sure. |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. :) |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. If you live in New Hampshire, South Carolina, Virginia or Wisconsin, you aren't required by law (yet |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. That says nothing of the unconstitutionality of those laws, |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Fail. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Look at post 38...adam is one of those. |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. Not very nice of you. Why so rude? |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. More because you strongly hold a legal opinion |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. All it takes is one ruling. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. That's true for most things. |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. I believe dissent is the HIGHEST form of Patriotism. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. The courts have found it is not dissent. |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #68 |
77. I guess you fear and obey the government even when you know it is in the wrong.... |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. I obey the government, yes. |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #80 |
89. Changeable system? |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. So if you think the Congress is too big-government, |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #92 |
123. I like Congress when it works well and obeys the will of the people |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Sales tax is the least progressive tax method. Bad idea... |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Prove it |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. . |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Not possible to prove. heh |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. It's simple....Sales tax hits the poor at a much higher level than others. the end. |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:09 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. How so? If one is poor they simply save. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. So its the poor's fault your tax system is regressive? |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. Nope. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Uh...huh. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. The poor can "choose" to buy used goods as opposed to new ones. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:22 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Ah, right, that's the problem with the poor. |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #98 |
103. Again, WE INCREASE WELFARE Programs |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Allocation of tax dollars has nothing to do with who has the tax burden. |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #93 |
100. You are not understanding. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. Welfare has nothing to do with taxation. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:31 PM Original message |
No, let him. |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
115. Income taxes are not good. Sales taxes are. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #115 |
118. Dense as iron, you are. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #118 |
125. He's gone.....Tombstone. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #100 |
110. So you would increase the burden on the poor while making them more dependent on the gov't? |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. This isn't hard. |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #73 |
82. That makes no sense. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Oh, you're a laugh. |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #85 |
97. You are off your rocker! |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. lol, it's only an untaxed paycheck |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #101 |
106. Again.... |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. So, then, your plan is for |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #108 |
119. Makes no sense. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Rrrright. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. So what does socioeconomic mobility have to do with the regressive or progressive nature of taxes? |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #86 |
94. The Larouche Pamphlet |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Your failure to understand terminology does not change your incorrectness. nt |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:22 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. Your inability to...... |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. I don't even know what that means. |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #102 |
122. I wish that was an Olive Branch instead |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #60 |
74. How is sale tax progressive at all? Everyone is charged the same rate. |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:09 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. The percentages can be adjusted according to the economy. Very simple! |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. According to the economy? |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Yes. According to the GLOBAL market as well. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #84 |
90. All goods makes it even more regressive. |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. Give me time my friend. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Whether I like insurance is beside the point. |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Do you like the government telling you have to BUY Certain products? |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Again, what I like is not what I find constitutional. |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. Again.... |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. ... |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #71 |
113. Insurance |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. You don't understand how insurance works, do you? |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. Auto Insurance should be structred like Flood Insurance. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #116 |
120. So at-fault drivers shouldn't be held responsible for their actions? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. My troll alarm is going off...How about yours? |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Troll Alarm? |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #57 |
76. Heh, mine just reads "half-baked libertarian." |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:14 PM Response to Reply #76 |
88. You give him too much credit...Half? |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #88 |
109. You are more Republican than I am. LOL |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #76 |
107. My radar says you are centrist leaning republican |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:31 PM Response to Reply #107 |
112. Yes, because I propose progressive taxes, |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:40 PM Response to Reply #112 |
117. No |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #117 |
124. Yeah, because it wouldn't. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Any that have been upheld???? I thought not. |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. I do not pay that one either. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Credibility for adam......ZERO... |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. ? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Income tax unconstitutional?? |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. The income tax has been repeatedly found Constitutional. |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Precisely. It requires a Congressional vote. |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. United States v. Buckner: |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 12:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Coming through that debate, where she was a Target, SHE DID MAGNIFICENT |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. I agree that she was a target |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #26 |
75. Please keep in mind there are Forces out there and here SwiftBoating anything Blue |
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Carrieyazel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
128. I have to disagree. The sound-bites from last night are killing her. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #20 |
42. FYI...Ron Paul is a republican and he's a disgusting nut-case... |
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Basileus Basileon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. Well, seeing as he believes income taxes are unconstitutional, |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #51 |
69. 1. Mike Gravel. 2 Dennis Kucinich. 3. Ron Paul |
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AdamAbeles (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #42 |
72. Saddam should have been left in power. |
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youthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
27. NO. |
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Alamom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
30. No. Probably better. She's the frontrunner and will now be seen as |
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Zavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
48. Unfortunately, no. |
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rufus dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
50. slightly less |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
56. Yes, her position on drivers licenses makes her unelectable. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
62. No. She survived attacks that were a bit desperate and over the top. |
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bullwinkle428 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
87. Thom Hartmann had said the driver's license thing was |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
111. doesn't look that way to me. |
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Bo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
126. Hillary has those RUNAWAY BRIDE EYES....LOL |
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Carrieyazel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
127. YES. The debate itself was watched by very few. But the sound bites from it are killing her. |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 07:00 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. Are these soundbites from CNN, etc. |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
130. She already fell behind Rudy in the most recent polls, and they were taken before the debate |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 07:45 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. Interesting |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 07:48 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. I think her standing against Rudy is going to have a direct impact on her |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-31-07 07:50 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. So Dems are going to rely on the Q poll which shows Rudy beating Edwards and trailing Obama by 1? |
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