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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:13 PM
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Move Over Mel Gibson: Here's "The Passion of Dean."
Edited on Thu Feb-19-04 11:44 PM by David Zephyr
"Hi. I'm Howard Dean and I represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party." Remember that?

Those were some of the most refreshing words I could have heard early last year from the good Governor of Vermont. Someone had heard us! Someone had sensed our great anger. It was as if someone had grabbed the national public address system and announced there would be revolution in the cafeteria during lunch break.

Doctor Dean became Prophet Dean. He became the voice of one crying in the wilderness against a stupid war. He railed against tax cuts for the lords and rulers. He barked about punitive new laws against teachers. And he raised his voice against the vilest legislation in the last 100 years: the Patriot Act. No doubt about it: Howard Dean's meteoric rise was a direct response to his channeling our passion, anger and disillusionment.

And Dean shook up the landscape like a prophet of old, calling down fires from the heavens and slaying the demons of compromise and fear of the king. But, we all know what happens to prophets who point out the error of their own people's ways, don't we?

There is this marvelous Old Russian Proverb that is applicable here: The tallest sunflower always gets picked first.

Damn. We were a mighty tall sunflower, weren’t we?

But in the darkened, musky and dank hallways of power, the whispers of disapproval had become a snarling roar.

And what a roar! “How dare this rabble insinuate that we are pro-war? How dare these outsiders suggest that we are anything less than caring, liberal, pacifists? How dare them call us "Bush Lite"? And for just a brief moment, Canadian blood pressure medications were reported to be outselling Viagra within the sacred halls of Congress.

Yes, the entire Washington Establishment including the Washington Democrats and the DLC were not exactly, how shall we say, humored any longer by the fact that one their very own had gone off the reservation and was telling tales out of school. “Good God, man, he’s talking about us!” Something had to be done. Things were simply getting way out of hand.

And so, it was then that the long knives came out and were distributed. Everyone dutifully knew what role they would have to play in the slaying of the Prophet.

"Let it be clearly understood that at any minute," it was said, "this mad Prophet Dean might arrive with his swelling mob of the dispossessed and dismissed carrying palm leaves and screaming hosanna, hosanna and cross over the Potomac and sweep us and our privileges all away. Stop him we must. Stop him, now!"

And then, from a place called Iowa came the scream from our prophet. They were killing him. The prophet’s scream was played over and over throughout the land so as to make certain that we all understood that he had been sacrificed.

And so, dear friends, yes they paid us back. Perhaps we poked our fingers in their eyes just a few times too many. In any event, they rolled us. We never had a chance.

And so here many of us are now: bloodied and hanging outside the walls of the city, strung up high in the air so that all who pass by us are certain to get the message, "Don't Mess With Al From and the DLC, Baby".
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lurk_no_more Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:18 PM
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1. I think I'm going to be ill!

And then there were none!
” JAFO”

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WatchWhatISay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:19 PM
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2. Have you ever thought about why
99% of Democrats don't even know who Al From is, and yet he has so much power?
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:30 PM
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4. Mr. From Is Feeling Pretty Smug Tonight.
Al From? Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Hush.
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Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:44 PM
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9. that is a GREAT point
Jax

I hate from and reed...
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:49 PM
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10. Hey, Jax!
INDLC.

In the name of the Democratic Leadership Council.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:20 PM
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3. Great post
Edited on Thu Feb-19-04 11:21 PM by dsc
Very inspiring but ultimately very sad, just like the primary season. Nothing I can add here.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:32 PM
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5. Hey,You Look Damn Good Hanging Over There.
Edited on Thu Feb-19-04 11:34 PM by David Zephyr
It's a bit uncomfortable hanging up here though, huh? Oh well, nice nightime view of the city anyway!

OXOXOX
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:52 PM
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11. I am not sure if it would have been better if he had never taken off
I am vastly more depressed now than I have ever been seeing my candidate lose, well except for Gore. Is it better to have loved and lost than not to have loved at all? Doesn't fell that way now.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:32 PM
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6. The whore media brought him down
For one solid week they played the "I have a scream" speech 24 hours a day....they called him every name they could think of to make people believe he was crazy and unstable. Just wait until we get our nominee...whether it's John Edwards or John Kerry,they will turn on them 180%.....it will be a bu$h love-fest and a Dem smear-fest. It's going to be a nightmare for democrats,the onslaught of all the evil powers in this country is overwhelming,and it will be a bitch to wade through the cesspool of the shit they will put out. Talk about "surviver"..... :mad:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:01 AM
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15. Buff2!
Well, the media did their part didn't they? :hi:
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:38 PM
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7. BRAVO!!!!
:yourock:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:42 PM
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8. Well, It Only Hurts When I Laugh!
Lisa0825, Thanks! Can I offer you a Bush Lite? :hi:
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:55 PM
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12. No thank you... I am drinking a Miller Lite at the moment (no joke!LOL)
I had a love/hate thing with the Bush Lite line... I LOVED it when he said it, and cheered wildly at the rallies, but I always knew it pissed off the recipients of it!LMAO! I felt like it would come back to bite him on the ass, but it was a great rallying line!

speaking of asses... this is a really major digression.... when Dean came to Houston, it was right around his birthday, so I thought I'd give him a birthday card at the fundraiser. I found one I thought was HILARIOUS, but not exactly the kind of card you think is appropriate for a Presidential candidate.. but I said, "what the heck?! He has a good sense of humor!" Anyway, the card had a donkey on the front, and said, "For your birthday, I just couldn't resist...(then inside) giving you a cute little ass." Too bad I didn't get the chance to see him open it!LOL

Sorry to have rambled.... but as I said, I am drinking Miller Lite! NOT Bush Lite!!! :toast:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:59 PM
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13. Texas City!
Gulf Coast girl! I grew up on and off on Galveston Bay before fleeing as a runaway teen to the Left Coast. You're close to Janis Joplin's hometown!

I love your tale about the birthday card. I'm sure he enjoyed it!

And for the record, this boy doesn't drink Bush Lite either, no matter how it's marketed.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:15 AM
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19. Yeah!!! On da blog, I am "Lisa TC" or "Lisa in Texas City."
Edited on Fri Feb-20-04 12:19 AM by Lisa0825
I think Ms. Joplin would have been quite proud of Howie's scream....


Now COME on COME On COME On YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH


LOL

:yourock:
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Ramsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 11:59 PM
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14. I really loved that
Thanks. I feel renewed. From my place on the wall.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:03 AM
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17. Renewed!
Renewed! Dare we say "resurrected" in keeping with our Mel Gibson "Wrap Party" for the "Passion of Dean"?

You look fabulous at your place on the wall. I'm hanging high tonight.
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:03 AM
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16. Do you think Dean was really the right Guy. I have faced bullets and tear
gas and will put my revolutionary credential against any. But
Dean, for me, was clearly not for this time. He was not Che, Mandella,
or even John Kerry.

I know real-deal leaders around the world. I could not see it
in Dr. Dean as good a gov as he was.

I don't need to be doing this. I am doing it for the sake of a saner
future for my kids.

That my totally honest view.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:07 AM
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18. Hmmm....Che and Howard Both Were Doctors of Medicine.
Of course not, WiseMen. Howie's no Che (my favorite figure of the 20th Century, so thank you for bringing his name up here).

Hope you are enjoying my wrap party for "The Passion of Dean" tonight.

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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:17 AM
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20. great post!
:yourock:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:26 AM
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22. Slinkerwink!
:hi:
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:22 AM
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21. Very well done David! Bravo and I love the title! n/t
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:31 AM
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23. Hi Tinoire!
The Sharpton quotation in your sig line rocks! :hi:

Keep the faith, baby!
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:49 AM
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30. Lol... Never knew it would be so apt today
I am totally devastated at what happened to Dean even though he wasn't my candidate.

And now Kerry is asking us if we'd like to go to the dance with him. This whole thing would crack me up if it weren't so painfully heart-breaking.

Keeping the faith & thanks for yours & what you're doing!

:yourock:
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:33 AM
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24. Interesting post. I really like the replaying of his scream to make
certain we all knew he had been sacrificed. As I was watching the scream speech live, I understood it to be Dean defiantly telling the DNC and DLC that after all the crap they threw at him in Iowa, he would not go down quietly.

The amazing thing about Dean is that he tried to bring down three different factions of establishment power: the BFEE, the Democratic Party establishment, and corporate media. I think if he had just stuck to going after bush*, he would be elected President in November. But Dean seemed refreshingly naive in thinking that he could go after all of them at the same time, idealistically believing that because he was on the side of truth and justice, he could defeat entrenched power. Hopefully, as he has said, this is a beginning, not the end.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:39 AM
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26. Mr. Milkyway!
A New Yorker dude named Milkyway! Thanks.

I think it is the beginning of a righteous movement WITHIN the Democratic Party to counter the corporate sleaze and compromise of Al From's oily group of political pimps.

That's their dilemma, isn't it? The DLC would prefer us out of the Party and with the Greens so there is no rivalry to the power of their corrupting influence, but yet they need us to vote with them to keep at least a handful of Democrats still being elected.

Glad to meet you! :hi:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:36 AM
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25. .
Edited on Fri Feb-20-04 12:38 AM by WilliamPitt
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:42 AM
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28. BRILLIANT commentary, Will!
One of your best works to date!!!


(just KIDDING!!!!!! ;-) )
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:46 AM
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29. LOL
Edited on Fri Feb-20-04 12:52 AM by BullGooseLoony
Yeah we love you, Will, even though you're SEVERELY misinformed. SEVERELY. ;)

On edit: By the way, I still think your "why everyone's angry" post was closer to the truth than most care to admit. Like I said before, you just needed to account for the fact that politics is made up of real people.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:41 AM
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27. Nice post
:yourock:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:51 AM
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32. RetroLounge.
Hope you are enjoying our wrap party here for "The Passion of Dean".

Feel free to hang with the rest of us or, if you prefer, to get stoned.

:hi:
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:50 AM
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31. That's the second unbelievably brilliant post that I've read tonight
Ever get struck by lightning twice in a row?

Have a look at this one, too.

EXCELLENT job, David.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=366486&mesg_id=366486&page=


Dean IS basically Jesus. He died for our sins.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:56 AM
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33. Thank You, BullGooseLoony!
And I did get over and read Crisco's very insightful and thoughtful post, thank you.

:hi:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 01:09 AM
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34. Good post.
Nice to see something positive in the mess of pathetic scrap picking by the Dean haters...
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 01:15 AM
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35. Here's a Toga for You, Joshcryer!
Edited on Fri Feb-20-04 01:15 AM by David Zephyr
We're passing them out as souveniers to prove that you were actually on the set of "The Passion of Dean".

Thanks for the kind words. Just keep driving them crazy, Joshcryer!

:hi:
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johnnydem Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 01:48 AM
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36. Uh....no.
Sorry, but can't say I follow the logic here at all. I'll preface my statement by saying I was a Clark supporter, all the way. But although I would have voted for several candidates before Dean, I did respect what he did and I do agree that he put some backbone into the party. However...

Al From caused his downfall? Hardly.

Why don't we put the conspiracy theories aside for a second and just ponder this thought: Maybe a majority of Democrats just didn't want Dean as the nominee. And just maybe Dean's campaign blew it (much as I think Clark's campaign. And maybe Dean shoulders just a little bit of the responsibility for that (as does Clark).

I personally know a lot of Democrats who read a lot about Dean, they just didn't want to vote for him. Even at his peak, Dean was only polling at what, 25%, if that? And that's pretty low for all the money they spent on ads and staff. Dean, or his campaign, should be shot for fiscal maleficence. They were running ads in Texas back in November...and for what? I know that here in New Mexico, a state with a tiny number of delegates, they had something like 12 paid staffers for MONTHS...easily double if not triple the other campaigns. Message and strategy aside, could a campaign that displayed such an alarming lack of tactical sense really beat Bush?

Is it possible that maybe, just maybe, Democrats saw a whole lot of Dean, maybe even respected him, but just wanted someone else?

Nah, couldn't be that...
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 02:11 AM
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37. Yep, it's a big ol' conspiracy to keep the people from having the"powaaah"
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 03:01 AM
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38. Maybe you're just not in on it.
:shrug:

I knows what ah sees.
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johnnydem Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 03:17 AM
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39. Right you are
We're obviously not one of they.

I mean them, we're not one of them.

But be careful, they are everywhere.

(Sorry, "Conspiracy Theory" was on tonight!)
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 03:24 AM
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40. Another Mel Gibson movie.
Coincidence? I think not.
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johnnydem Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 03:37 AM
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42. Hmmmm...
You may be on to something here....it was Aussies that conspired to take down Dean!

Aussies are they...and they are Aussies! It's all so clear now! Put 'em in the Axis of Evil!

(Just for the record, not mocking you or Dean, just kidding around)
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 03:40 AM
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43. Aussies...you mean RUPERT MURDOCH??
We all knew that ALREADY!
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 03:30 AM
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41. So when DID Dean invent virtue; was it on the fifth day or the sixth?
Edited on Fri Feb-20-04 03:32 AM by PurityOfEssence
Here's the essence of the Dean campaign: "You guys are all a bunch of turncoat loser cowards; why don't you like me?"

To even breathe slight dismay at his lying about the votes of the Senators on the tax cuts was an affront to all that was good and pure. Many of the Dean supporters developed such a sense of privilege that mere reality had no place. HE was the one who started the talking about the plight of the poor, even though he wasn't. HE was the only one who talked about race in front of white audiences.

Even at the very end, when he was giving a nice speech, he had to ruin it by congratulating himself for how he'd changed everything; he actually had the effrontery to say that before he came along, the Democrats in Washington were cheerleading the tax cuts. THAT WAS NEVER THE CASE. The party had enough defections to allow the monarchists to get their greasy thievery through, but the party itself never joyously went along with it.

He pissed off everyone, and regardless of much truth, he deliberately lied, misrepresented and went for the throat. He started it, and was the one who attacked hardest and most vehemently; it's nothing more than karma that he got the same in return.

John Kerry may be many things, but he's not a REPUBLICAN. That's beneath nasty.

Lumping Kucinich in with his group smear and not copping to it when confronted directly was a moment of lowness that was inconceivable. Kucinich actually DID what Dean said he would have done. Even now, while reading this, many Dean supporters formulate justifications for such actions. The movement smacked of nothing so much as a religious cult; it was an unshakable belief that transcended anything.

He was not so good that he had the right to repeatedly lie, distort, hector and ridicule his rivals like that without reproach. He deliberately and repeatedly lied about the tax-cut votes of his opponents. His recklessness was exciting to watch, but appalling.

It came down to privilege; he and many supporters thought he deserved the nomination, and to such an extent that he had the right to lie, distort and evade as he pleased. This turned many of us off. Unfortunately, the spikiness of his demeanor just accentuated the vitriol, and for some of the rest of us inferiors who were obviously in the undemocratic wing of the Democratic Party, we wound up preferring a different Democrat to this Autocrat.

Howard Dean did Howard Dean in. He walked into the room and spat how everyone else was morally corrupt and insignificant; how shocking that they didn't like him.

John Kerry, for his many flaws, is demonstrably to the left of Howard Dean; if Kerry's a Republican, what does that make Dean?

His was the greatest performance of self-immolation in American Politics in my lifetime. It was self-inflicted. What's the net effect? It's too early to tell.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 03:43 AM
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44. He didn't invent it- he just brought it back into fashion. nt
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 04:23 AM
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45. He also invented new ways to lose and spent record amounts doing it
Edited on Fri Feb-20-04 04:23 AM by RummyTheDummy
But yeah, he's Christlike. This whole thread is as assanine as his miserable, laughable, failed campaign.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 04:25 AM
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46. He had a national campaign for months and months.
The other candidates didn't. He had a HUGE organization, spanning across the country. It takes a lot of money to payroll that kind of employee base. That's how he spent the money.

Any other candidate with an organization the size that he had would have spent just as much money.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 03:39 PM
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55. Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Hare Rama, Hare Rama.
Wow! You are still that upset with the Prophet to merit all of that?

Are you worried he might resurrect at the Convention or something? No need to.

Or are you just checking in, shall I say, to put your hand in his side...just to make sure he's not going to point his finger at John Edwards, your candidate, again?







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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 06:24 PM
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62. Just stay away from the Kool-Aid
Many lessons are to be had from the whole affair, but among them is this: things and people are often not what they seem or present themselves to be.

Just as many will absolve Junior of many of his actions because they long since decided that he was good, many do the same thing for Dean. At what point does one's actions actually count?

Nobody is more responsible for his flame out than Dean himself. He had a vibrant movement filled with motivated people, the press was his enemy, but it was also his friend, fueling the rise. There was vast and seething frustration looking for a leader.

Qualities many look for in a President are not to be sneezed at: self restraint, accuracy, TELLING OF THE TRUTH, finesse and some form of self-effacing decency. The victimhood of a group of people who's principal activity was deceptive character assassination is a tough concept for me to square with reality.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 04:26 AM
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47. Great tribute
As Joan of Arc would say, "Well done"
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:11 AM
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52. Please pass the A-1
The chick really knew what was at stake...
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:10 PM
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58. Drink Our Blood and Eat Our Flesh.
In remembrance of us.
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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 04:30 AM
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48. I wonder how Terry McAuliffe...
...spent his 30 pieces of silver?

Martin
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 04:40 AM
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50. OOOOooooo
That is ROUGH....
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MSchreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 04:45 AM
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51. I call 'em as I see 'em
Let the chips fall where they may.

Martin
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:23 PM
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59. He Probably Invested It.
Hi Martin! :hi:

You get a complimetary toga!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 04:39 AM
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49. If this is meant to be funny...
...then you are a comic genius- If you are serious, then you are comical!:):)
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:27 PM
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60. Comedy and Tradegy, Dr. Fate.
:hi:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:09 PM
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53. Kicking For The Morning Crowd
:kick:
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SeattleRob Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 12:43 PM
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54. Great Post....
A lot people have short memories. I remember Carville and Begallia - (The Voices of the Democratic Establishment) on Crossfire being very pro war during the run-up to the war. People like Dean and Dennis Kucinich had the courage to speak up even when it was seen as unpopular or not too smart politically. When the rest of the Democrats examined their poll numbers and saw that most of the rank and file members of the party believed the war was bullshit, they started to speak up.

It's too bad that so many of my fellow Democrats are blind to what happened.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 05:28 PM
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61. St. Kucinich!
St Kucinich get my vote in the California Primary.

:hi:
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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 03:41 PM
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56. This is NOT over though--not at all.
I for one am planning to keep up the fight.

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SeattleRob Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-04 04:24 PM
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57. Me too...
this was the 1st Round... There's a long way to go.
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