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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 08:40 PM
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Which is worse
Obama's McClurkin flap or Hillary's Kyl-Lieberman vote?

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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 08:41 PM
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1. both terrible.
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Sandaasu Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 08:41 PM
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2. Both are bad enoguh to keep my support away.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 08:43 PM
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3. Could You Please Remind Me How Obama Voted On Kyl-Lieberman?
DSB
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 08:46 PM
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5. "not voting" you mean that one?
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 08:56 PM
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11. While co-sponsoring S.970 which declared the IRG a terrorist organization
Edited on Mon Oct-29-07 08:56 PM by cuke
but I'm told that could not be used as a pretext to attack Iran
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Mellowtone Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 08:44 PM
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4. No problem
people in America have allowed free speech for bigots ever since 1787!

Few people have voted for George W Bush to launch another war.. that's novel... Hillary is definitely a novel candidate, voting to give George all he wants to wage another war........Obama, allowing for free speech.... now which is worse?
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 08:49 PM
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6. a vote for war and death - nothing compares
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 08:50 PM
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7. so thats why Obama was "/not voting" instead of coting against he just decided
not to vote.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 08:59 PM
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12. the vote was scheduled at the last minute by H. Reid
while Obama was away.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 09:40 PM
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17. Obama didn't vote because Reid told him there wouldn't be a vote that day
Obama had 2 campaign stops to make and would have had a very difficult time making a flight to DC in between them. Reid (whose son just happens to be working on Clinton's campaign) announced on the Senate floor that he would hold the vote for a week. So Obama went on the trip and was informed the next day that the vote was going down. He at least got a chance to tell the press that he would have voted against it.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 11:34 AM
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20. That is bullshit.
"Reid (whose son just happens to be working on Clinton's campaign) announced on the Senate floor that he would hold the vote for a week."

Now he announced it was off for a week? My this tale grows more fanciful each time Obama supporters tell it. So prove Reid announced on the Senate floor the vote was off for a week. You can simply cite the Senate transcripts (hint the statement you seek does not exist so I would not waste too much time)

"So Obama went on the trip and was informed the next day that the vote was going down."

Ummm Obama went up to ME that evening while planning to attend the NH debate the next day like the other Democratic Senators who are running for President.

"Obama had 2 campaign stops to make and would have had a very difficult time making a flight to DC in between them."

Campaigning was more important than his duties as Senator...we knew that already.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 08:54 PM
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8. I Agree
Can you please link the speech Obama made on the Senate floor opposing the bill before he voted against it...

Thank you...
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BayouBengal07 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 08:55 PM
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9. Huh?
What was Kyl-Lieberman? Either way I don't see either of these stories gaining national traction.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 08:55 PM
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10. It's all politics
Nothing matters except the dirt that can be thrown.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 09:22 PM
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13. So now we're going to compare evils?
Really?
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 09:27 PM
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15. You're wise not to take the hook n/t
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 09:25 PM
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14. Both
I withdrew my support after HRC's vote on Kyl/Lieberman and now there is no question I'll NOT vote for Obama.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 09:30 PM
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16. A war with Iran is much more serious than McCluck.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 09:44 PM
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18. These are the questions I like to ask of our frontrunners.
Democrats: Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory since 2000.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 07:10 AM
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19. They are both unacceptable. n/t
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 11:36 AM
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21. They both should not be tolerated.
Edited on Tue Oct-30-07 11:37 AM by bigwillq
Or accepted. :mad: We have other candidates who are more qualified and more sensitive to the needs of the Democratic party. That's why DK will get my vote.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 11:37 AM
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22. Bad gospel singer vs. thousands dead, millions spent, reputation in the sewer...
There is no comparison.

Apples and boiling villages steaming with the blood of the innocent...

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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 11:39 AM
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23. And then you wonder why so many epithets are being hurled at you
there you go again...minimizing bigotry.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 11:43 AM
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24. It's Sad
It's fucking sad some people here would turn other people's pain into a political football...

Maybe , if they walked a mile in their shoes they would feel differently...
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 11:50 AM
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25. As if this were only about a "bad gospel singer"
n/t
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:00 PM
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26. How about they both suck and people should be pissed about both?
Or do we have to choose just one fuckup to be upset about per campaign?
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:01 PM
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27. Obama's McClurkin flap by a length
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FlaxieB Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-30-07 12:06 PM
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28. Kyl-Lieberman: we don't need 3 wars all at once, risking american lives
Edited on Tue Oct-30-07 12:07 PM by FlaxieB
for dominance and profit.
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