I would have never believed it a month ago, but Obama is more hated than Hillary on DU now

[Herman Munster]

Amazing.

[MethuenProgressive]

1. Obama made his bed. Now he must sleep in it - with McClurkin.

Polotic makes obvious bedfellows, sometimes.

[msongs]

2. disagree with obama = haters? baloney nt

[MethuenProgressive]

5. disappointment = hate? that's cheap baloney, too.

Someone in the Obama tent knocked over a whole bucket of hyperbole ...

[IndianaJones]

3. I don't think I'd make that big a leap. nt.

[Danieljay]

4. Only by /some of/ those who support Hillary so who really cares?

[Lucinda]

6. If you are saying it's only Hillary supporters who are pissed at Obama

You are way wrong.

[MethuenProgressive]

7. yeah, and it's just 'the gays', so who cares?

:sarcasm:

[AtomicKitten]

8. Which is an excellent omen.

[mark414]

9. Obama fucked up, bad...but what I find most interesting

is that Clinton supporters who would whine whine whine about all the "Hillary-haters" have turned the venom up to another level, slinging loads of mud at Obama; some people are even calling him Osama! WTF??

[Basileus Basileon]

11. Link? nt

[mark414]

18. for what?

just check every 1.5 threads

[Basileus Basileon]

23. Haven't seen anyone call him Osama yet. That's a new level of low.

Link for that, so I may be appropriately disheartened?

[dionysus]

68. johnnyblitz said it, i don't the link

[Pirate Smile]

19. I saw that and couldn't believe it.

[jonnyblitz]

20. hey, I call him Osama and I am NOT a Hillary supporter

STOP LYING!

[mark414]

22. oi, i wasn't even referring to you

[FlaxieB]

10. He was always hated. The "undercovers" are beginning to show their true colors

Not suprised at all.

[terrya]

13. "Undercovers"???

Can we make fun of you when YOU'RE outraged about something that matters to you?

[MADem]

21. You hustle on back to the closet now, 'honey.'

Go on, get 'undercover' there, now--we don't want to be hearing from the likes of YOU!!! Just sit down, shut up and don't forget to vote for change!! Because if we SAY change, it must be true!

:sarcasm:

Was this red drippy thing even necessary? Normally, I'd think not, but I'm kind of surprised at how many here don't take issue when the GLBT ox is gored, just because it isn't 'their' issue.

Hell, it's not "my" issue, either--if I can just manage to ignore the reality that some of my relatives and friends live under...!

[goodgd_yall]

26. Paranoia will destroya n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

32. Oh bullshit.

Undercover my ass.

I not ONCE said anything shitty about Obama. I've gone after the knee JERK Hillary bashers. Up to now I've had great respect for Sen. Obama. That ended with this Danny Mc Closet "who's pussy is that?" homophobic asshole.

Do a search before you talk shit.

[Karenina]

34. Obama did this all by hisself

with a little help from Oprah-covering-for-Steadman. :evilgrin:

[Tellurian]

66. Is that you Ethel? Or your monotonous boring twin?

[NMMNG]

12. You reap what you sow.

:shrug:

[MADem]

14. It's not hate. It's PROFOUND cognitive dissonance. Which is probably worse than hate.

Hate is a comfortable emotion--you snarl, growl and loathe the object of your hatred. It's like being on a team--US against THEM. Grrrrrr!!!!!

Cognitive dissonance is a different kettle o'fish.

It's what can happen when someone you idealize, respect, honor, look upon as the answer to your prayers and dreams, suddenly turns out to be a pragmatic bastard, but one with lousy judgment who is tone-deaf to the sensibilities of his core support groups.

The disappointment is profound, too. It's soul-crushing. 'Change' is just poli-speak for 'Tell 'em what they wanna hear.' The Hope for Tomorrow has feet of clay.

[Hekate]

15. It just bears out my observation that DU will turn on a Dem like a pack of dogs...

...when a political hero turns out to have feet of clay. Not a god in human form. Not the Second Coming. Just another flawed human being with ambition and good, even excellent, ideas.

WHY, knowing the fickle winds of political life better than ANYone else, would Al Gore subject himself to another presidential campaign? Why?

Hekate

[tkmorris]

16. I don't hate him

This is all just politics, and I happen to understand his thinking from a purely political standpoint in keeping McClurkin in the show.

I just happen to think he's wrong, and further that there are times when you make a stand on principle regardless of the politics involved. This should have been one of those times and Obama dropped the ball in not seeing that.

[monmouth]

17. Yeah, but Joe Biden is getting more lovin' all the time.. Obama had

a misstep. Let's not make it more than what it was..Bad decision? Yes...End of the world?? Hardly..

[LSparkle]

24. I'm with you there -- if you want slick, that's not Obama. He made a mistake

because this is his first campaign. Doesn't mean he doesn't have some good ideas; just means he's not as polished at damage control as he needs to be in this political atmosphere.

[ShortnFiery]

51. Yes, because we all know that *Polished Politicians* make the best Presidents.

Why, look at our present occupant of the oval office? :shrug:

[Yael]

25. I don't hate him in the least, but I maintain (as I have all along) that he isn't ready.

[Bitwit1234]

27. Well Obama supporters started it, the basing I mean

I suppose now they have an opportunity to tell the world Obama is FAR FROM A SAINT.

[depakid]

28. I don't think he's hated- he just made the sort of rookie mistake

that many people expected. He's shown poor judgment in the past (criticizing the Alito filibuster for example) -and is likely to again.

IMO, it was a mistake for him to run this time- and he's been showing why.

Better that he showed some leadership and inspiration in the Senate before launching off on a presidential bid.

[rucky]

29. That's my attitude, as well. n/t

[Grandrose]

30. It's pretty disheartening!

I have never felt such venom and hatred for one person, it's unrelenting and as a supporter it hurts.
It's at the point of swift boating, criticism and anger is one thing, the piling on is another. Some campaigns are deliberately taking advantage, but what goes around...comes around!
Too bad Obama is human, I guess the other candidates are above reproach..not!
:eyes:

[LWolf]

31. I don't hate either of them.

Neither do I like either of them.

I don't do "hate." I find it unproductive and self-defeating.

I oppose HRC and Obama equally, and have done so since before they announced.

[Mellowtone]

33. The Hillary folks have totally taken over this forum

There's no excuse, other than Hillary being such a controlling woman.

She's probably paying people to post here. I don't see evidence that she's not, and I wonder how people can support a person in a primary who voted to authorize George W Bush to go to war.

No excuses for Obama hiring a bigoted gospel singer, but a war in Iraq, which is worse?

[goodgd_yall]

35. "Controlling woman"?

Your time here may be short. Enjoy it while you can.

[Mellowtone]

39. Are you the gender police here?

Controlling men, Bush, Rove, Rumsfeld you're OKAY with comments like that, but controlling "women" that's your cue to spring into politically correct policing???

Hello, wake up, your life should not be controlled by anyone of any gender, but you are okay with it as long as it's a woman??? You really are a piece of work! When did you sell out your logical brain to the female gender?

[CyberPieHole]

44. Psssssssst....

Your fly is open.

[ShortnFiery]

49. Don't take it personally Mellowtone, "the machine" is all rev'd up.

It may be time to fly for many of us ... for the short term. At least until "the drama" and IMO, false outrage blows over?

[CyberPieHole]

42. "I don't see evidence that she's not (paying people to post here)."

Care to provide a link? How exactly does one go about proving a "negative"? Please advise.

[oasis]

69. If Hillary's "paying people to post here", who's paying Obama to make political blunders?

:shrug:

[Imagevision]

71. The repugs would favor Hillary over Obama to run against simply because Hillary will easier to smear

[Vickers]

73. "She's probably paying people to post here. I don't see evidence that she's not"

That's some truly fucked up logic. I hope you never serve on a jury.

[CyberPieHole]

36. This too shall pass...

Given enough time. Damage has been done, but I assume there is a possibility of redemption.

[ShortnFiery]

50. Good luck at cheerleading us back on that bandwagon ... many bridges have been burned.

:evilgrin:

[JackBeck]

37. When did pointing out a candidate's support of bigotry turn into hate?

I guess we should just sit idly by while Democrats experiment with voter outreach with homophobes.

[Mellowtone]

40. And I guess we should just sit by

While Hillary endorses our lauch into WW III?

Priorities, my friend..find a lover and enjoy your life, whatever it may be, But don't sell your gender-based political absolutism and intolerance of differences out to another world war for the rest of us.. who love life, and want us ALL to be free, not just you!

[JackBeck]

48. Unlike you, we can multi-task.

The LGBT community has been anti-war and pro-civil rights before it was cool.

Ask Bayard Rustin. Start there, then let's talk.

Oh and as far as finding a "lover", we've been together for ten years. And here's one of the many ways we've confronted bigotry:



On edit: Where did I endorse Hillary?????

[zulchzulu]

38. I've come to the point where DU is becoming less valuable as a political resource

When you have two sentence flamebait posts making the Greatest Page category ad nauseum and without any real political insight or anything to truly make it seem like an effort was made by the dozen a day, it makes you wonder about the way threads get appointed as "valued".

When you are accused of being a homophobe because you are for a particular candidate who has made it known through voting records, statements and otherwise, it puts it all in a perspective that maybe DU is more a place for shy losers and malcontents that are too lazy to really get out in the street and try to do something to make a difference.

When you see people get venomously hateful at others that they would otherwise recognize as political allies on the street, it sends a message that perhaps logging on DU in the political forum is just a complete waste of time.

Better things can be done by all of us for whatever candidate we support than to quibble like rats on crack in a tiny cage like many do here.

My countdown to leave DU is probably beginning.

[Disturbed]

41. Overblown BS.

I have not read any posts that say that they now hate Obama. Most are highly disappointed in him, though.

[jmp]

43. You seem to blame everyone but the man responsible.

Obama did this. He did it to himself, and he did it to his supporters. Nobody forced him to do it.

He screwed up royal, and when the stuff hit the fan, he responded just like Hillary did regarding her IWR vote (to name one) ... he dug in his heels and made it clear that he would not be moved.

Well good for him. But there is already an intransigent fool in the White House ... and I for one don't look forward to a sequel.

And I suspect that you too are angrier at Obama for creating this mess than you care to let on.

[zulchzulu]

53. Like I said...

...here at DU, people take a story that was actually pretty minimal and is seen otherwise away from DU as a non-story and turned it into a reason to want to call someone who's been HELPING THE LGBT COMMUNITY since the 1980's a "homophobe" for supporting a candidate who expressly made a point saying he disagreed with Donnie The Butthead.

It goes on deaf ears.

A lot of DU people here are simply lazy and are whiny malcontents. They are too preoocupied to do any grassroots work for their candidate and don't appreciate those that do such a thing. It seems that a surprising amount of people are fairly incapable of understanding basic Civics 101, basic political thought and offer nothing more that twisted, sophmoric accusations typed from their obese fingers on a shitty computer.

Your response illustrates perfectly how you don't know what you're talking about and you don't want to know what is really going on. You made up your mind based on fallacies and innuendo and you feel just great.

No need to respond to me. Really.

[ShortnFiery]

45. Amen zulchzulu!

A number of not only good people but also thoughtful souls have already departed within the past week. I'm not leaving but I'm fading until a semblance of sanity returns.

Right now it seems like a mean-spirited Rovarian free-for-all.

I can understand disappointment with Obama but the hyperbole from OPPONENTS of Obama can not be seen as "on the up and up."

I'm backing-off until the HYPE subsides ... if that doesn't happen, it's a sad commentary of the state of American Politics today.

[zulchzulu]

55. Agreed...

I'm going to send another $25 to DU just for the Ignore feature.

[ShortnFiery]

57. Excellent Idea!

I'm not inclined to leave permanently because "God hates a quitter." But that Ignore feature is looking quite appealing. ;) :hi:

[AtomicKitten]

72. I'm giving it a work-out starting now.

[jonnyblitz]

46. COOL!! see ya...

:hi:

[CyberPieHole]

47. Snaps *for drama*

:rofl:

[mondo joe]

52. Anything we can do to help you on your way?

[zulchzulu]

54. Thanks for that...

Just adding all the assholes on ignore. Good job!

[Catherine Vincent]

56. You're acting a bit juvenile.

And to think I complimented you on your sigline. You're going to have to grow some thicker skin. Just imagine if or when Obama becomes President. The republicans will hate on him 24/7.

[ShortnFiery]

58. You're piling on a bit?

:shrug:

[Catherine Vincent]

60. I don't know what you're talking about.

I simply think he's acting childish by putting everyone on ignore because he doesn't like what's being said about O'Bama.

[zulchzulu]

61. Now it's just getting to be what I need to do

I'll weed through the Ignore list a day or two from now.

It's not that I put people on Ignore for just not agreeing with what they say about Obama. It's when I feel that the level of respect and sincere dialogue has hit a wall at 100mph metaphorically that I click on the Ol' Iggie Icon. It saves me some time too...otherwise I'd never get anything done... :hi:

[ShortnFiery]

62. Well, just between the two of us, just perhaps, sending this concern ...

wait,... make that - conveying this genuine concern would be better received (and just perhaps acted upon) if you would thoughtfully send it PM. But hell! That's just me thinking that courtesy is always in vogue. :shrug:

[zulchzulu]

59. LOL

My skin is plenty thick. However, my patience is rather thin for people that I find a waste of time.

I've had it with people calling me a homophobe without them knowing what I've done for LGBT rights over the years. That goes way over the line for me. No point in even discussing anything with people that shallow and malignant.

When Obama is president, I fully expect the usual crap the MSM does. I worked in TV for a few years to know how that works. Barack is a big boy and will be able to handle them just fine.

[Imagevision]

63. Totally disagree, Obama would run circles around Hil in a debate, the guy is a professor and

Hillary has always been a student/observant

[woo me with science]

64. Um, how many debates have we had already?

Quite a few, if I'm not mistaken, and I have not seen this yet.

Maybe you are talking about a REAL debate, but we aren't likely to see one of those in the media we have today. Frankly, I doubt Obama would run circles around her in one of those, either.

[last_texas_dem]

65. Just wait a couple of weeks...

I'm sure whichever Dem candidate gets involved in the next mini-scandal will become the new candidate to hate for a while, until the next one screw sup, and so on and so on...

One thing I've learned is that the popular opinion towards politicians of both parties on this site is anything but consistent.

[youthere]

67. I don't hate Obama...

Just the opposite. I WANT to support him, but the way he handled this McClurkin ordeal is another illustration to me why he's just too wet behind the ears to assume leadership of this country. I actually really like Obama and really wish he had waited another cycle or two to throw his hat into the ring for POTUS. A very unfortunate stumble for Barack. If Bushco hadn't fucked things up so abominably in the last seven years, I could overlook Obama's "greenness" but right now, we're going to need someone who can walk into that oval office that can hit the ground running. I really hope that whoever gets the nomination (assuming Obama doesn't) recognizes the incredible potential there and taps him for a cabinet position where he can politically mature.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

70. he deserves it.

[bigwillq]

74. It was his own doing.

He has no one else to blame but himself.