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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:16 AM
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Who said this? E-mail from the Clinton campaign
Who said this?

“Such a reduced but active presence will also send a clear message to hostile countries like Iran and Syria that we intend to remain a key player in this region.” Later in the same speech, he said: “Make no mistake, if the Iranians and Syrians think they can use Iraq as another Afghanistan or a staging area from which to attack Israel or other countries, they are badly mistaken. It is in our national interest to prevent this from happening.”

George Bush? Nope.

The latest from Dick Cheney? Guess again.

Language from Kyl-Lieberman? Sorry.

That was Senator Obama in late 2006 making the case for why maintaining a military force in Iraq is necessary to constrain Iran’s ambitions. But that was then.

This is now: Stagnant in the polls and struggling to revive his once-buoyant campaign, Senator Obama has abandoned the politics of hope and embarked on a journey in search of a campaign issue to use against Senator Clinton. Nevermind that he made the very argument he is now criticizing back in November 2006. Nevermind that he co-sponsored a bill designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a global terrorist group back in April. Nevermind that his colleague from Illinois – Dick Durbin – voted the same way as Senator Clinton on Kyl-Lieberman and said “If I thought there was any way it could be used as a pretense to launch an invasion of Iran I would have voted no.”

Today, in order to justify his opposition to Kyl-Lieberman, Senator Obama says that such language is bellicose and gives the President a blank check to take the country to war.

But if Senator Obama really believed this measure gave the President a blank check for war, shouldn’t he have been in the Senate on the day of the vote, speaking out, and fighting against it? Instead he did nothing, remained totally silent, skipped the vote and spoke out only after the vote to engage in false attacks against Senator Clinton. A Washington Post editorial summed it up best: “Now, trailing in the polls and sensing a political opportunity, Mr. Obama is trying to portray Ms. Clinton as a reckless saber-rattler. That is irresponsible and — given the ease with which the charge can be rebutted — probably naive, as well.”

That’s not the kind of and strength and leadership Americans are looking for in their next President.

Hillary has been clear and consistent in saying that diplomacy backed by economic pressure is the best way to check Iran’s efforts to acquire a nuclear weapons program and stop its support of terrorism, and the best way to avert a war. That’s why she took to the Senate floor last February and warned the President not to take military action against Iran without going to Congress first and it’s why she’s co-sponsored Senator Webb’s legislation to make that the law of the land.

That’s the kind of strength and experience that will lead to the changes Americans want in our nation’s foreign policy.
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:20 AM
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1. So what you are saying is that it is better to vote for the person that is still wrong
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 07:21 AM by Pawel K
and hasn't learned a fucking thing over a person that finally is heading in the right direction and has been right before. remember, Obama opposed this idiotic invasion of iraq.

I doubt I will be voting for Obama and I sure as hell wont be voting for Hillary. But great logic you have, thank you for helping destroy this country.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:22 AM
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2. I think it's those with poor reading comprehension that is destroying the country. So thanks!
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:25 AM
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3. A hillary supporter not addressing a simple point?
No way, I'm stunned. :puke:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:28 AM
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6. a "progressive"* attributing a campaign e-mail to a poster on DU?


No way, I'm stunned. :puke:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:32 AM
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:25 AM
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4. In summary - Hillary votes for wars, Obama is against them.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:29 AM
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7. In summary - Hillary and Obama share the same vision on this issue
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:18 AM
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14. Only a Hillary supporter believes that Obama has the same poor judgement as Hillary on war.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 09:03 AM
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16. only an Obama supporter pretends quotes from Obama don't exist
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:28 AM
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5. All of the "top three" democratic candidates support the current
American Imperial world stance. To paraphrase Neil Young, they just have a "kinder, gentler machine-gun hand". So, yeah, I agree with you, Obama has no better policy regarding Iraq and the "WOT" than Clinton has...
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:29 AM
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8. In any election your choices are doing to be between a bunch of turds
it is up to you to select the best of the turds.

Do I want this to change? Sure. But its not going to change this election so you are better off voting for the best of the top candidates once its time to vote.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:34 AM
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10. I will vote my conscience - this spring and next fall...
:hi:
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:39 AM
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11. A lot of people did that in 2000
and we got Bush over a nobel peace prize winner. I can't force you to do anything, but I ask that you guys learn from our mistakes, mistakes that aren't that far back in history.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:56 AM
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12. I didn't make a mistake in 2000. I voted for Gore. The problem is that
no one who votes their conscience makes a mistake whoever they vote for. They may not vote how I would like them to, but it isn't a "mistake".
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:01 AM
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13. You don't think all the people that voted for Nader in 2000 made a big mistake?
I can certainly understand why they did it, but knowing what we know now its pretty clear that it was a mistake, and a big on at that.

Don't get me wrong, I totally understand what you are saying. And I hope the crazy right wing fundemantalists will vote their conscience too. But any democrat we put up will be a lot better than any republican they put up.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 08:18 AM
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15. Whether or not they "made a mistake" depends on why they voted
for Nader. If they made a mistake in their vote, only they know that. Some of them may be proud of their vote and would vote the same way again - I don't know. But regarding a person's vote, no one else can call it a mistake except the voter him/herself, in my opinion.
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