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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:11 PM
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"a great many African Americans share Pastor McClurkin's beliefs."
"a great many African Americans share Pastor McClurkin's beliefs."

There's a way to influence that, Barack.
Reinforce it, or repudiate it, it's up to you.


quote is from the 'letter from Obama supporters'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/25/obama-campaign-releases-o_n_69892.html
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:31 PM
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1. Sadly, in the past few days we have watched the complete
destruction of not only this campaign but Obama's future.

No one believes Obama is a bigot but he was just handled the whole thing so poorly. Damn. Double damn.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 11:42 PM
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16. I think he's handled it well. nt
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:32 PM
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2. A great many White Americans share Pastor McClurkin's beliefs
I'd like to start seeing links to studies and polls rather than just hearsay.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:42 PM
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3. So what - they are all Republicans. n/t
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:47 PM
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5. link? nt
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 11:18 PM
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13. people of any color who believe this are assholes. wrong is
wrong. leadership needs to step up. Either we are all Americans or we aren't. I don't want to live in a country with a permanent underclass again. I remember Jim Crow and I don't want it for anyone.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:45 PM
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4. So?
It still doesn't make it right and if Obama really was compassionate about gay rights he would first, cancel the McClurkin appearance and then do an embrace the change tour to educate people about how discrimination and bigotry effect, hurt and alienate people.
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DemFemme Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:59 PM
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6. Cherry pick quotes, much? Here's what was really said in full context.
"... Human Rights Campaign's Joe Solomonese ... said he hoped Obama "will move forward and facilitate face to face meetings
with religious leaders, like Rev. McClurkin, and the GLBT community to confront the issue of homophobia."

Now the senator's campaign is trying to show that he's doing just that. An open letter signed by 16 LGBT and black religious
leaders says that Obama is reaching out to bring blacks and homosexuals together."

Here's the full quote in context from Rev. Dr. Otis Moss, Jr. from the Olivet Institutional Baptist Church Chair, Obama National
African American Religious Leaders Working Group in Cleveland, Ohio, for those interested:

"A few things are clear.

First, Pastor McClurkin believes and has stated things about sexual orientation that are deeply hurtful and offensive to many
Americans, most especially to gay Americans. This cannot and should not be denied.

At the same time, a great many African Americans share Pastor McClurkin's beliefs. This also cannot be ignored.

Finally, we believe that the only way for these two sides to find common ground is to do so together.

Not at arms length. Not in a war of words with press and pundits. Only together.

It is clear that Barack Obama is the only candidate who has made bringing these two often disparate groups together a goal.
In gatherings of LGBT Americans and African Americans of faith, Obama has stated that all individuals should be afforded
full civil rights regardless of their sexual orientation, and that homophobia must be eradicated in every corner of our nation.
If we are to end homophobia and secure full civil rights for gay Americans, then we need an advocate within the Black
community like Barack Obama.

At the same time, while Obama has said that he "strongly disagrees" with Pastor McClurkin's comments, he will not exclude
from his campaign the many Americans including many in the African American community who believe the same as Pastor
McClurkin.

We believe that Barack Obama is constructing a tent big enough for LGBT Americans who know that their sexual orientation
is an innate and treasured part of their being, and for African American ministers and citizens who believe that their religion
prevents them from fully embracing their gay brothers and sisters. And if we are to confront our shared challenges we have
to join together, build on common ground, and engage in a civil dialogue even when we disagree.

We also ask Senator Obama's critics to consider the alternatives. Would we prefer a candidate who ignores the realities in the
African American community and cuts off millions of Blacks who believe things offensive to many Americans? Or a panderer
who tells African Americans what they want to hear, at the expense of our gay brothers
and sisters? Or would we rather stand with Barack Obama, who speaks truth in love to both sides, pulling no punches but
foreclosing no opportunities to engage?

We stand with Senator Obama. We stand with him because of the solutions he is proposing for our nation. We stand with him
because of his character and his judgment. But the most important reason we stand with him is because today, as he has
done all along, Barack Obama is causing us to stand together.

That's the kind of President we need, and we are proud to support him.


Sincerely,

Rev. Dr. Otis Moss, Jr.
Olivet Institutional Baptist Church
Chair, Obama National African American Religious Leaders Working Group
Cleveland, Ohio

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/25/obama-campaign-releases-o_n_69892.html
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 06:07 PM
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7. Deeds speak louder than words, DemFemme.
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 06:08 PM by MethuenProgressive
And on this, Obama is all talk.

"a great many African Americans share Pastor McClurkin's beliefs."

There's a way to influence that, Barack.
Reinforce it, or repudiate it, it's up to you.
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DemFemme Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:30 PM
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8. Hillarian Cherrypicking. Your deeds here at DU speak as loud as your spin.
When will Hillary repudiate Rev. Harold Mayberry's endorsement, I wonder? Or that black homophobe minister
she was on a $10K monthly payroll in SC?
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DemFemme Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:35 PM
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9. Deleted
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 07:36 PM by DemFemme
Wrong thread.
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FlaxieB Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:42 PM
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10. They are not interested in the Truth. All they care about is smearing Obama
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:06 PM
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12. Smearing Obama?
How about the way McClurkin smears gay people? Have you listened to the man on evangelical shows? I have. There isn't a smear, it's the justified pointing out of a dumb thing to do, if he goes along with McClurkin's popularity despite the man's rabid homophobia. Stop with the knee-jerk paranoia and back it up sometime.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 11:35 PM
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14. Thank You For Putting the Whole Letter Up, Ma'am
It is very helpful.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 02:40 AM
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18. Where is that "common ground"?
One group says that people should follow god's will and that the other group is not following god's will.

This would be the Venn diagram of that situation: O O

I suppose the common ground would be that those of the degenerate and beastly persuasion will consent to not be considered worthy members of society and leave it at that.

Religion: the biggest and best excuse ever invented.

Got more uses than "Simple Green". Never needs winding. Cleans stains you thought you'd never get out. Isn't that amazing? Just like new. It's all the rage; in fact a lot of it really IS rage.

There's nothing quite like reading a well-constructed, measured and logical endorsement of completely irreconcilable twaddle.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:35 AM
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21. Thank you for posting the entire letter. n/t
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:04 PM
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11. Pastor McClurkin is from the "ex-gay" movement
That, alone, is a minefield. Obama shouldn't buddy up with someone just to get votes, if it means not taking homophobia seriously. Does he want to change things or not?
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 11:39 PM
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15. Homophobia is only one part of his beliefs. Obama is doing the right thing.
By not excluding him from an event that is supportive of gay rights, it will get people at the event thinking. Maybe it will even get McClurkin thinking. McClurkin is a confused gay man who had a tormented childhood. We should not be threatened by him. Only by engagement can we change hearts and mind. The solution is not to shut people out. Doubtless, there are beliefs we have in common. Find the common ground and stand your ground. That's how to open minds to new possibilities. It's the only way.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 11:42 PM
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17. Very nice post. I'm still pretty pissed off about this whole situation,
both his reluctance to shitcan the guy, and the reactions of a lot of people on here. Posts like yours give me hope that SOMEHOW this will be an ultimately productive experience.
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western mass Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:24 AM
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19. If Obama wanted to sing a duet with a Klansman,
why do I having the feeling you wouldn't feel the same way?

Are there any Holocaust deniers that Obama wants to hold an event with? After all, it might get some of those people thinking too...
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:42 AM
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22. Bingo!
There are many Americans with a lot of beliefs and prejudices that we want no part of ... including many that would rather Obama not even be allowed to live in this country, much less be elected President.

All points of view are not equal or equally valid.


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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:41 AM
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20. While I respect your opinion
Obama has lost points with me because of how he mishandled this situation.

It's a given that I would still vote for him in the General, but he probably won't be the one to get my vote in the primary at this point.
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