At what point did Obama "jump the shark"?

[Clintonista2]

[LittleClarkie]

1. I'd be more convinced of your actual outrage

except for your Hillary icon.

Would this have hit you nearly as hard if you weren't his rival's supporter, I wonder?

[Clintonista2]

2. As a gay man I am offended. nt.

[gateley]

8. So, as a gay man, when do you think he jumped the shark? Thanks. nt

[Clintonista2]

14. Refusing to drop McClurkin

I can certainly understand the fact that he may not personally schedule events such as this. But if it were some staffer who organized the whole thing, why wouldn't he of dropped McClurkin after finding out this guys history? I think that was ***the*** moment he jumped the shark, although pressuring HRC not to criticise him in public certainly didn't help.

[gateley]

19. Refusing to drop him caught my attention and made me question his motives.

I voted for pressuring the HRC not to criticize him in public as when he actually jumped. At that point, his motives became all too transparent.

I have to say I'm surprised - I felt Obama was better than that, and would be intolerant of someone with just hateful beliefs.

[LittleClarkie]

30. As a gay man, then why weren't you offended by this, then?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3634146

[depakid]

4. Kinda begs the question, doesn't it?

In more ways than one.

[jefferson_dem]

17. Of course not.

Hell, not even a peep from this poster about his own candate's relationship with anti-gay bigot Mayberry.

[DemFemme]

29. LOL

:thumbsup:

[Kagemusha]

3. When he announced his nomination for President.

No black candidate expressing the slightest respect to evangelicals with strong views against homosexuality would have escaped this push for ostracizing him (or her) from the Democratic Party.

[peacebird]

5. at what point did HRC "jump the shark"?

that's a post that would be every bit as meaningless....

thank gawd for "block poster"

[bicentennial_baby]

6. All of the last 3

[Mass]

7. When he started to run against Hillary Clinton? If you are offended as a gay man,

you should be offended by a number of Hillary's active supporters? Are you or is your offense selective?

[Clintonista2]

10. Hillary doesn't use homophobic supporters to raise money

I understand that candidates don't control who support them. Going campaigning with homophobic "ex-gays" to raise money for your campaign is disguisting.

[Mass]

15. They can control which endorsement they put on their website or not?

Not trying to defend Obama here. I think he should have dropped McClurkin a long time ago. Just amazed at Hillary Clinton's supporters double standards.

[Clintonista2]

18. No double standard

Hillary doesn't control who endorses her, she does control what she does with those endorsements, just as Obama controls who he goes on stage with. There is a clear difference between being endorsed by a homophobe, and endorsing the views of a homophobe by going on tour with one.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

20. Doesn't she control her website?

Plus, her website is used to raise money so it could be said that Mayberry is helping to raise money for her by endorsing her on it.

[Clintonista2]

21. I don't know.. does she charge people a 10$ fee to view her endorsements?

That's the fee Obama is charging for people to come and see him on stage with McClurkin.

[Mass]

22. So I would not go. If people want to send a message to Obama, they just should not go to this show.

But Hillary has made fundraisers with very objectionnable people like Murdoch, for example (No clue whether he is homphobic himself, but he certainly hires people who are definitively very homophobic and it is not because he does not know. It is by design. So, please, ... do not think people are blind.

[BeyondGeography]

23. Do you know how naive this is?

Were all of the HillRaisers vetted for their views on homosexuality before they were "allowed" to bring in gobs of cash for Hilly? Lirwin2 knows for a fact that not a single one of them isn't conflicted in the least on gays?

[LittleClarkie]

31. Like, say, Rev. Mayberry?

Is that the sort of supporter you refer to?

[rinsd]

9. Jump the shark? He's a candidate not a sitcom.

I think the fire is going quite well without you running around with gasoline and matches.

[Clintonista2]

11. Thanks for your input!

:hi:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. I Don't Think This Is Helpful

DSB

[jonnyblitz]

13. it was the "kingdom on earth" fundie babble that did it for me.

actually it could have been his 'Lieberman is my mentor" comment when he came out for Lieberman against Lamont during that campaign. I always thought he was a slick, smooth talking bullshit artist from the beginning.

[bigwillq]

25. Yup

You got that right buster.

:)


:hi:

[yellowwood]

16. When did he stop beating his wife?

The question implies that Obama has "jumped the shark," the way the "when did you stop beating your wife" question works. It's loaded.

I AM feeling the diminuation of his popular strength. This is happening because the right-wing media wants Hillary to win. So maybe he didn't jump the shark. Maybe he was thrown over the shark.

[Moochy]

24. yeah its called a lame alertable poll

[DURHAM D]

26. So right-wing media is to blame for Obama's tin ear? eom

[AtomicKitten]

27. There is ZERO evidence that Obama told supporters to contact the HRC.

That particular allegation is blog blather.

I investigated it utilizing all resources available to me and asked those alleging this to pony up ... and no dice. This has been reported on blogs and picked up as "the Politico says" and "some sources say" but nobody has a direct quote from the Obama campaign, and the Obama campaign denies it.

It's pretty clear this never happened and some HRC sycophants are overplaying their hand in their quest to pile-on.

It is unfortunate that some Clinton supporters are hijacking this most serious issue to use as a cudgel against Obama and his supporters, but that seems to be the way their campaign rolls in their quest to further trash the only contender within striking distance.

[DemFemme]

28. Why is HRC giving aid and comfort to businesses that support pols having a clear anti-LGBT agenda?

More info: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/29/03929/293

Oh, and HRC leadership are in Hillary's camp. Politics as usual. :puke:

[calteacherguy]

32. None of the above.

Still a Clinton supporter, but some the Clinton supporters here are really starting to turn me off.

[Clintonista2]

33. Yup, we know you're a Clinton supporter

I've never seen you post anything without starting out by writing: "I'm a Clinton supporter..."

[Tellurian]

35. Hasn't he supported everyone at one time or another?

I think he wants to be on the side of a winner...

this week anyway!

[FlaxieB]

34. Hillary Supporter Bull Shit Post. Hillary Supporter Bull Shit Post

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