Just called CNN......delegate scorecard has Dean out.....not true.

[madfloridian]

The man said they would change it. I told them we had not watched CNN in 3 weeks because they just took too many liberties with the truth about all our candidates.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/scorecard/index.html

CNN POLITICAL UNIT

404-827-1996

404-827-2000

[Dookus]

1. come on...

he's out.

[bobbieinok]

2. Dean has delgates; Clark too

...

[Dookus]

13. I don't dispute they have delegates...

I'm simply saying that they're both out of the race.

[madfloridian]

3. No, he is just not actively campaigning.

We are supporting him in the primaries on March 9 here in Florida.

[Maddy McCall]

21. semantics--He ended his campaign...

Whether or not you think that is "out" to you is a semantical argument.

I would wager that everyone except a few die-hard Dean supporters realizes that his "ending his campaign" translates to "out of the race," whether or not his name is on the ballots.

Still, I don't see anything wrong with voting for him in primaries, but I think it is foolish to plan to write in his name in November, since write-in votes won't be tallied unless the candidate is not from a party on the ballot and has filed papers for write-in status.

And even if he did do those things, it would still be foolish not to vote for the Dem nominee, because our party's most fundamental goal should be defeating the most detrimental force to ever occupy our nation's white house.

[slinkerwink]

5. no, he is not out---he's still on the ballots---what he has done is

that he suspended his campaign.

[AP]

12. so are the others.

[SadEagle]

20. The others didn't encourage supporters to vote for them.

In fact, Clark, Gep, & CMB encouraged their supporters to vote for other candidates. Dean asked his supported to vote for him.

[John_H]

29. suspended his campaign? LOL..

Isn't that ukranian for, "I'm out?"

[madfloridian]

8. Check out this statement from his speech.

http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/003777.html

DEAN: I am no longer actively pursuing the presidency. We will, however, continue to build a new organization, using our enormous grassroots network, to continue the effort to transform the Democratic Party and to change our country. And I...

(APPLAUSE)

And speaking to all of you and all of the hundreds of thousands of people around America who are going to get this word, either by the establishment media...

(LAUGHTER)

... or the Internet, I have some things that I specifically want to ask of our supporters.

First, keep active in the primary. Sending delegates to the convention only continues to energize our party. Fight on in the caucuses. We are on the ballots. Use your network to send progressive delegates to the convention in Boston. We are not going away. We are staying together, unified -- all of us.

[lurk_no_more]

25. Shhhhhhh!

'Dear, dear! How queer everything is today!
And yesterday things went on just as usual.
I wonder if I've been changed in the night?
Let me think: was I the same when I got up this morning?
I almost think I can remember feeling a little different.
But if I'm not the same, the next question is,
Who in the world am I?
Where in the world am I?
Ah, THAT'S the great puzzle!'
- Alice -





And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[AP]

4. He's just as out as Clark, Gephardt, & CMB.

[madfloridian]

6. No.

.

[maddezmom]

9. don't forget Lieberman

he suspended his campaign. Is there a difference? Maybe if you suspend you can collect delegates, and if you drop out you forfiet any you may win. No idea, just a thought.

[ButterflyBlood]

7. come on folks, he's out

why would he suspend his campaign if he wasn't?

[revcarol]

10. He could still vote his pledged delegates at the convention

and he could switch them to another candidate at the convention. No one who has pledged delegates to the convention is out.

[maddezmom]

11. didn't Gep release his?

so his are gone, correct?

[revcarol]

14. Dunno.

Superdelegates can always change their minds, but "pledged" delegates are supposed to remain faithful at least through the first ballot. VERY few have ever broken their pledge over the years.

[maddezmom]

18. thanks for the info revcarol :) n/t

[EXE619K]

15. HE might be "out".

But, WE are NOT!

[Renew Deal]

16. You are never going to win this argument with them.

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. What did the guy say

when you said that?

I told them we had not watched CNN in 3 weeks because they just took too many liberties with the truth about all our candidates.

[madfloridian]

27. He said he would check out the site I mentioned.

It did not bother him at all.

[Slice]

19. Dean IS out

He said that he was no longer actively seeking the nomination. :shrug:

[w4rma]

22. Dean's out of this running.

:(

[Samantha]

23. Don't get mad, MadFloridian, get even

with the DLC and the so-called party elites who choose who we will be allowed to vote for and who we will not. There's no question it is they who StoppedDean, along with the media, in their effort to pull the party to the right and in their determination to run a candidate who agrees with their platform (and that means a candidate who voted yes to the Iraq resolution).

And now that their mission is accomplished, the Carville-like strategy of trying to lay a guilt trip on the voters should we not cast a ballot for the candidate of Their Choice and Bush* win election, is quite transparent. If there is any responsibility for this appalling election strategy, it lies with the Democratic strategists themselves and the so-called party elite, not the voters.

If Bush* gains legal access to the White House through legitimately winning an election, the fault will lie with those who orchestrated this strategy, not those simply trying to cast a vote and gain representation of one's political positions.

I read Howard Dean's message today and you are entirely correct. Dean is encouraging his supporters to vote for him because he is continuing to collect delegates whenever possible. People on this thread who are trying to convince you he is out simply want you to vote for his or her candidate. Stick to you conscience and vote for the person who best represents your interests.

[madfloridian]

26. Thank you.

I appreciate that response.

[DemBones DemBones]

31. Please explain how the DLC and "party elite"

forced voters in 18 states to choose Kerry 16 times, Edward once, and Clark once. Dean never placed better than 2nd and was usually 3rd or lower, as I recall. You love him but the majority of voters don't. All the candidates have people who love them but only one guy can win.

I support Kucinich, who has done even worse in the primaries. I'll still vote for him on March 2, and I'll always believe he was the best this year, but in November I'll vote for the Democratic nominee. The nominee may not be my idea of the best Democrat but next to Bush, he'll be fantastic.

[Samantha]

33. How many reasons do you want

Due to the frontloading of the nomination process, anyone winning Iowa and New Hampshire would have a distinct advantage over those who did not.

the Big Mo, as defined by George Bush the First

the DLC

the "electibility factor" as defined by the DLC and the media (i.e., Dean can't win, whispered Carville repeatedly)influencing voters to vote not on the issues but on who they perceived to be the most electible

the DLC

the StopDean movement as openly discussed in the Washington Post (which I have posted here several times)

the DLC

the influence of Kerry's telecommunications lawyer brother on CBS, ABC and other stations

the DLC

the sleazy ads (Osama) reportedly run at the instigation of Kerry with Gephardt

the DLC

biased reporting by media pundits from the Clinton inner circle, including but limited to the promotion of Kerry by Paul Begala for months now

the drafting of Clark by Clinton, et al, to siphon off anti-war votes from Dean

and finally,

the DLC, who publicly stated when discouraging Al Gore from running again, that while they did not select the candidate the Democratic party ran, it did have a lot of influence over who that candidate would be. Clinton is the honorary head of the DLC. He is the self-proclaimed head of the Democratic party. The DLC has tried to pull the party to the Right for a very long time now. The DLC will promote any candidate who voted yes to the war on Iraq (including Kerry, Edwards, Lieberman, Gephardt and Hillary) and will stomp any candidate voting against the war and tax cuts.

[Samantha]

24. Kicking your thread

MadFloridian.

[Langis]

28. Dean is out!

What will it take for you people to understand this? When Kerry or Edwards are elected next year are you going to still be crying about this? Get over it, he is out.

[madfloridian]

30. We did not say he would be elected.

I know I didn't. That is not what is being said.

[revcarol]

32. I take it your candidate might want votes from Dean supporters if he

were to become the nominee. So a little courtesy might be in order.

I feel for Dean supporters, and they have to do what their consciences tell them. But Dean WILL have his name entered as a candidate for the Presidency at our national convention because he has pledged delegates.

From this Kucinich supporter.

[Samantha]

34. Hey Langis, try getting over this

With the election expected to turn on the vote of six percent of the voters or less, it is not to Kerry's or Edward's advantage to alienate a voting block like the Dean supporters. All they have to do is stand firm and vote for him where his name is on the ballot, continue to collect those delegates, try to amass six million or so voters, (not that big of a percentage) and they have a much, much bigger bargaining tool than an ABB slogan.

You might want to think about that before you go sticking your explanation point in too many people's eyes, particularly if your candidate is Edwards or Kerry....

[Langis]

35. ...

[Samantha]

36. That remains to be seen

I am not a Dean supporter but I will be voting for him Tuesday in the Maryland primary.

He announced he will be going to the convention (and I assume taking his delegates with him) so we shall see what he is able to do with them.