Is Kerry no different from Zell Miller?

[ButterflyBlood]

apparentely people here have claimed this in the past

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

1. This sums up the bulk of the logic used to protest Kerry's candidacy

Along with ABB is not prinicpled but ABK is.
I won't vote for a war and patriot act candidate unless it is not Kerry.
Kerry's too conservative in spite of having one of the most liberal congressional records.

And every other baseless cannard tossed at him.

Everyone can see Miller is far more electable than Kerry...he's from the south don't ya know?

[arwalden]

4. Very Awkward Wording In The Poll Question And Choices...

it's almost as though the poll question were trying to direct the respondent to make a certain desired choice.

But what do I know... I'm controlled by the DLC conspiracy.

-- Allen

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

8. I wasted all that time learning deductive reasoning to participate here

[ButterflyBlood]

9. nah, the reason the first is worded that way

is I honestly wonder if anyone can say flat out there Kerry is EXACTLY like Zell Miller, the rationale some have used for refusing to vote for him. And of course the old straw man: "would you vote ABB if Zell Miller was drafted as the nominee at the convention?"

[ronnykmarshall]

24. Me too Allen

Ya know how we get our daily transmission to help destroy any "true" liberal or progressive candidates via the brain chip?

If I sit just right in front of the TV, I can get all the premium cable channels for free!!!

Try it, it's great!

[saltpoint]

2. To date I do not believe Senator Kerry --

-- has endorsed George W. Bush.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[liberalnurse]

6. There is another way to evaluate that....

Examine his voting record since *bush took office.......

[saltpoint]

15. Liberalnurse, I'm well to the left of Eugene Debs --

-- so I can't go on voting records alone.

Kerry is decidedly more liberal than Bush. Your avatar is Rosa Parks, isn't it? I doubt if she'd throw in with Dubya this coming November.

People need to make clearer, more sure-footed distinctions.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

25. Boy is that the understatement of the day!

People need to make clearer, more sure-footed distinctions.

[BL_Zebub]

32. The opportunity for clearer, more sure footed distinctions has passed.

OK, Kucinich is still out there, and more power to him, but we all know what his chances are, so the DLC and media whores don't bother.

Dean and Clark were forced out, leaving only the DLC candidates. And there simply is not a sure footed (or cloven hoofed,in my case) distinction between their positions and Bush's over the last three years.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

33. Yeah blocking fucking right wing judges was completely accomplished

by Bush....no wait...he nominated them!

I am SO fucking over this complete and utter linear logic...or total LACK thereof!

[saltpoint]

36. Nonsense.

The distinctions are inarguable.

The AFL-CIO today seemed to think a distinction exists.

Nothingshocksmeanymore has it exactly right. I would rather live in a country presided over by Kerry appointees than Bush appointees. Much rather.

[Faygo Kid]

3. With all due respect, give me a break.

You won't get far equating Kerry with the execrable Zell Miller, especially with us older DUers, who remember Kerry's leadership in opposing the Vietnam War. C'mon (again, with all due respect).

[ButterflyBlood]

5. well I thought it was just as dumb when I heard people said that

but so far 20% appear to think that there is no difference whatsoever between the two

[saltpoint]

18. Bingo.

I want to buy you a cold beer.

[Faygo Kid]

23. Bingo, back at ya. I will take it.

Something British, perhaps? Maybe a Guinness and Bass Ale, black and tan? (Mmmmm). Anyway, you're on, but I get the next one.

[saltpoint]

30. It's a deal. We'll toast to --

-- Bush & Co. leaving office in November.

[Guaranteed]

7. No one's claiming this. nt

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

11. I wish ButterflyBlood could post a thread reference

without breaking the rules. I'll bet my hat, my ass and my overcoat that some mental giant did!

[ButterflyBlood]

10. apparentely 7 DUers

can not tell the difference Kerry and Zell shocking.

Therefore I'm sure if I posted their voting records here you wouldn't be able to identify which is which?

[Guaranteed]

14. I think they're mocking you. nt

[sweetcee]

16. I've noticed a strange psychology

on DU where you get some whacky posts and answers. Methinks they are from undercover repukes and freepers as well as, frankly, from some very unthinking people on the 'trendy' far left.

[seventhson]

12. Not EXACTLY like Zell, but close enough for me to have concerns

It is all in the Bones

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

20. Dear God!

[Walt Starr]

13. I believe I see a distinct "I'm voting this way out of protest" meme here

Looks like a lot of responses are just shear spite, sorta like my vote for Edwards on March 16th.

[ronnykmarshall]

26. What's a "meme"?

I swear there's new terms every day!

[tom_paine]

31. A couple definitions

Noun 1. meme - a cultural unit (an idea or value or pattern of behavior) that is passed from one generation to another by nongenetic means (as by imitation); "memes are the cultrual counterpart of genes"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/meme

www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/tech/computers/TheHackersDictionaryofComputerJargon/chap35.html

n. An idea considered as a {replicator}, esp. with the connotation that memes parasitize people into propagating them much as viruses do. Used esp. in the phrase `meme complex' denoting a group of mutually supporting memes that form an organized belief system, such as a religion. This lexicon is an (epidemiological) vector of the `hacker subculture' meme complex; each entry might be considered a meme. However, `meme' is often misused to mean `meme complex'. Use of the term connotes acceptance of the idea that in humans (and presumably other tool- and language-using sophonts) cultural evolution by selection of adaptive ideas has superseded biological evolution by selection of hereditary traits. Hackers find this idea congenial for tolerably obvious reasons.

[KamaAina]

17. Of course he's different. Kerry is a Democrat.

Far from endorsing Bush*, Kerry is running against him.

[flaminbats]

22. Zell is mostly like Bush...

and Edwards is more like Miller than is Kerry. So to put it simply...no!

[mmonk]

19. ridiculous

[feistydem]

21. here! here!

Exactly like Zell Miller?

Give me a break.

[Guaranteed]

27. Beautiful straw man.

Alright, let's burn it!! :grr: :headbang:

[NewYorkerfromMass]

28. burn this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=374002

[West Coast Democrat]

29. Good Grief!! Some people actually voted yes on this?

Can some people start acting like adults....please?

[jonnyblitz]

34. oh please. n/t

[woofless]

35. Truly insulting notion.

[anti-NAFTA]

37. I'm taking a statistics class.

We learn all about bullshit polls like this.

[Slice]

39. Anti-NAFTA, huh?

I'm guessing by your name that you are anti-free trade. How do you square that stance with Edwards' vote for PNTR China?

[Slice]

38. Let's see

American Conservative Union lifetime ratings:

John Kerry - 6%

Zell Miller - 65%

No, they are very, very different. Anyone who claims otherwise is just being disingenuous.

For the sake of comparison, here are two more American Conservative Union lifetime ratings:

Lincoln Chafee - 42%

Arlen Specter - 43%

Zell Miller is more conservative than some Republicans in the Senate, and Kerry is one of the most liberal Democrats in the Senate.

On another note, Kerry would make a great president.

[saltpoint]

41. I enjoyed seeing the post you have here --

-- of LIncoln Chafee and Arlen Spectre scoring better than ol' Zell.

It's a very effective way of making the case.

Thanks, Slice.

[Slice]

42. No problem

:hi:

[knight_of_the_star]

40. WOAH!

Where did that come from?

John Kerry is NOT Zell Miller, I do not see HOW that conclusion has been drawn.

[GOPBasher]

43. Kerry is not even remotely close to Miller.

Kerry is a definite liberal. He has an incredible voting record on the environment, education, health care, womens' right to choose, etc.

[Moderator]

44. Locking.....

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