Obama fucked up with the McClurkin thing, but his antagonists are about to over play their hand. . .

[wndycty]

. . .which might backfire.

Count me as an Obama supporter HIGHLY DISAPPOINTED in the handling of this McClurkin thing. I really want to see heads roll at campaign headquarters over this, HOWEVER when I see the claims that Obama is a bigot, when I see the claims that not only has Obama lost the nomination but he has ruined his senate career, when I see the claims that if I support Obama I'm endorsing bigotry I just want to scream.

This shit has gotten out of hand.

I completely understand why people are offended, I have voiced my concern to the campaign directly. But his has now evolved from a situation where there was a legitimate issue to where people see a vulnerability in Obama and they will stop at nothing to destroy him.

I will continue to believe that the Obama campaign made a major mistake, however I will also question if this firestorm is about right and wrong anymore, unfortunately I believe its now about destroying the man.

[Colobo]

1. Let's see how all this plays out.

[IndianaJones]

2. I do not think Obama a bigot...however, this was very badly handled and will hurt him. nt.

[KingFlorez]

3. I agree

I can see people not liking situation, but I think the whole thing has gone way too far. Calling Obama a bigot isn't fair, because his position on the issues is clear.

[sniffa]

29. yes, his position is cLear

he says one thing and does the other. now that's audacity (of hope).

[ruggerson]

4. I don't care about the politics of it

I care about the rightness/wrongness of it.

Largely, because he was asking me for my vote and then just spit at me.

[IndianaGreen]

5. Obama's denomination supports marriage rights for gays, yet Obama doesn't.

I am somewhat baffled by that contradiction. Could anyone care to explain?

[terrya]

25. I will never understand that.

He doesn't support same-sex marriage equality because, well, he doesn't. No reason whatsoever why a man versed in the law would deny the same legal protections to gay and lesbian couples.

But, to be fair, Clinton and Edwards feel the same way. They just can't support our legal marriage rights because...well, they just can't. You just have to accept it.

[Connie_Corleone]

6. That idiot basically calling us bigots is a fucking disgrace on DU.

Why don't they just tell us to get the fuck off DU because we're not wanted here?

[MH1]

95. They are telling you that.

I figure that's kind of the point, you know?

Just look at which threads get locked and which don't.

[cuke]

7. Another "fake outrage" thread

If anything, it's the Obama supporters on DU who have played this badly. Several continue to deny the obvious and instead blame everyone but Obama. It's Clinton's fault, uppity gays fault. Edwards fault, Clinton does it too, etc

And the threads you mention as a sign of "overplay", they were rejected by the majority of respondents in that thread. Your evidence consists of two assholes hardly anyone agrees with.

In fact, your entire post is nothing more than "this is all fake outrage"

[KittyWampus]

36. Oh it's not "fake" outrage" it's about "selective" outrage when SOME of us mention Hillary.

[alteredstate]

68. Has anyone but you posted the words "uppity gays" on this site?

[sandnsea]

8. It was always the politics of destruction

Just about everything that opposing campaigns have thrown at him have only been about the politics of destruction. Nobody cares about this stupid gospel singer. 90% of America doesn't even know there's going to be a gospel tour. This is signifcantly less important than Hillary's prayer meetings and nobody has said a thing about that. If it were truly about religion and homophobes and politics, she'd have been rejected on that basis alone.

[mitchtv]

9. No big fan, his campaign did something stupid

His supporters spent a whole lot of capital trashing other campaigns. Payback is a bitch. I don't think he is a hompohobe. They will all throw gays under the bus when necessary except maybe DK

[ruggerson]

10. Hey wndycty

Did you see this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3636161

I'm curious as to your thoughts on it.

[wndycty]

13. I have thoughts however I don't wish to share them. . .

. . .I realize that the discussions of race, gender, religion and sexual orientation on DU are pointless. Although we are all progressive, we are also selfish and if we are Black no one is discriminated against more than we are, if we Christian no one is discriminated against more than we are, if we are atheist no one is discriminated against more than we are, if we are gay no one is discriminated against more than we are. I'm still a proud DUer but I have given up on our ability, especially in election years when we seek to exploit issues for our candidates gain, to discuss issues of race, gender, religion and sexual orientation.

I'm disappointed in the Obama campaign, but I'm currently ashamed of all DUers and I really don't care what side anyone is on. Right now its about defending your candidate to no end or exploiting any issue to destroy the other guys candidate. . .it just disgusts me to no end.

Go ahead, unload, call him names, tell me you will never ever support him, he is the devil, he is evil, he is a bigot. I don't expect you to forgive him nor will I ask you to, just know that I don't agree with the campaigns decision to include McClurkin.

[ruggerson]

15. I've said none of those things

I've said I'm angry at his choices. And this, coupled with the Coburn thing, makes me less inclined to trust him. I haven't called him names, nor do I think he's a bigot, and, as II've said repeatedly, should he be the nominee, I will vote for him next fall.

But for many of us this is sincerely and profoundly upsetting - to have a bright, young progressive Democrat do this. I could care less about whom it hurts or helps.

[wndycty]

16. Its not about you, if you didn't say those things then I'm not talking about you. . .

. . .

[aquart]

11. EVERY candidate is going to fuck up somewhere sometime

And, over time, a whole lot. That's the truth. They must deal with so many conflicting, pushy, pissed-off, me-first interests that there is no way on earth or in hell to satisfy them all and certainly not all at once.

We have a fantastic slate of intelligent, caring, competent, amazingly ambitious people who are willing to sacrifice so much of their lives to doing a job in which they will be attacked daily, and sometimes even killed. Pick one. But use a standard for a human, not a god.

[killbotfactory]

12. I'm about fed up with this place

People are looking at this issue from different perspectives, but by and large we all agree with equal rights for everyone. Just because some people don't see it exactly the way you do does not mean they are bigots, racists, or intend personal offense to you or anyone else who agrees with you.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

14. You understand nothing. This post is a straw man.

A very small number of people have made the sort of personal attacks you seize on to characterize the only side of an entirely one-sided issue.

I have posted a lot on this topic, and you won't find a hint of a suggestion that Obama is prejudiced. (I'm not saying you said I had) I pretty much supported Obama on this thing... urging patience until the campaign reacted. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3631841&mesg_id=3631841

And then they reacted, and there are no arguments for Obama's action and inactions on this. None. I have reads countless hundreds or even thousands of posts and replies that try to defend this, and every one of them is shocking.

Obama may not be a homophobe, his his campaign now represents the willful embrace of bigotry for political gain.

If you substitute any other group in the world for gay in this equation and revisit the situation you would be shocked... really appalled. You would think you were reading about something that happened in the 1950s

The fact that you are not utterly appalled is because you cannot or will not see the issue through a conventional human rights lens. For whatever reason, you think it is invalid to substitute any other group in the equation.

This is like one of those "magic eye" diagrams... either you can see it or you cannot. If you can't see it that doesn't make you a bad person, but ought to temper your willingness to lecture as to when it's "out of hand."

[zulchzulu]

19. Does HIllary Clinton's campaign also have a "willful embrace of bigotry for political gain"

Since her web site features endorsements from Rev. Mayberry, a minister who compares homosexuality to "thievery", do you have such outrage at her campaign?

Let's take this even further.

Does Kucinich support "willful embrace of tax evasion for political gain" because singer Willie Nelson has played at events for him?

Certainly if it could be argued by some that if a musician who plays at an event with three other groups at a rally in a small town one night can derail a political campaign by concocted inference and innuendo, then having someone who endorses a candidate and that candidate featues the endorsement proudly on the web should come under the same scrutiny.

Apply the "moral purity" test completely or admit that it's a false issue.

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[wndycty]

23. Interesting point about Willie Nelson and tax evasion. . .

. . .however tax evasion is not as an emotional of an issue as civil rights.

[rinsd]

62. How was the "endorsement" "featured proudly"?

It was a blurb within a press release about her meeting with black clergyman. The title of the press release doesn't even call in an endorsement or name Rev. Mayberry.

That's how "proud" the campaign was of it.

Stay away from ILP and Ethel, you seem to be catching their allergies to honesty

[silverojo]

17. It's a sad fact of political life

That things like this get overblown in the press and can have a terrible effect on a candidate's chances.

Remember John Edwards' $400 haircut? :(

[Rowdyboy]

18. Horrendous staff work and a big mistake not to drop the guy at once....

This story is enormous online and a big deal to us but its not getting enough media coverage to justify the outrage on both sides of the issue here. If Obama had been gaining any traction, this would have stopped it, but he isn't. :shrug: He made a rookies mistake and pissed off a segment of the Democratic coalition. Thats recoverable. Whether his campaign is salvageable is another question.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

21. The outrage on one side is sincere, not about media coverage

[Tellurian]

56. If anyone thinks this is just going to go away..

from what I understand, once of the biggest Storm of the Century Protests is forming as we type. Obama's indifference to social justice and civil rights ia about to be duly noted.

[William769]

24. I guess one out of two isn't bad.

1. "Obama fucked up with the McClurkin thing". Very true. 2. "but his antagonists are about to over play their hand". Dead wrong. The attention put the focus on Omaba, where it should have been. All Hillary needs to do is run down the clock. I for one hope Obama keeps this stuff up, He's been the best thing for the Hillary campaign this week.

[zulchzulu]

26. As long as Hillary gets a free pass on having a homophobe endorsing her on her web site...

...everything's cool.

:crazy:

[wndycty]

27. That is why as a fucked up as the McClurkin incident is, I feel this is now about politics. . .

. . .has nothing to do with civil rights anymore.

[Karenina]

33. Guess who will attend a function in Las Vegas???

Controversial Boxer In Obama's Corner
Titleholder Floyd Mayweather Jr. Attends Democratic Hopeful's Event

<snip>

Shannon Gilson, a spokeswoman for Sen. Obama, D-Ill., said the campaign did not suggest that Mayweather not participate after questions were raised about his criminal record. She stressed that the 30-year-old fighter is one of many black supporters of Obama in Nevada.

"He's simply a supporter. He's not on our steering committee. He's not an adviser to the campaign," Gilson said. "We know Floyd Mayweather from his philanthropy and his work with at-risk children in Las Vegas schools."

Leonard Ellerbe, Mayweather's top adviser, said the fighter planned to attend the event but that he was not endorsing Obama's presidential bid or getting involved in politics. He said Mayweather is "a great fan who admires the senator's tremendous accomplishments."

<snip>

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/24/politics/main3406178.shtml


The spin

Las Vegas Review Journal: "POTENTIAL BLACK EYE: boxer in Obama's corner"
Edited on Wed Oct-24-07 10:50 PM by Bluebear
When Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama launches his group of black supporters in Nevada today, the headliner will be a superstar: a boxer who won the biggest title fight in recent history, a flamboyant personality who's been on "Dancing With the Stars."

But Floyd Mayweather Jr. is also a convicted batterer with a history of arrests in Las Vegas and elsewhere.

In 2004, Mayweather was convicted on two counts of battery for punching two women at a Las Vegas nightclub the previous year. He was given suspended prison sentences, $1,000 in fines and ordered to complete impulse control counseling.

Mayweather in 2002 pleaded guilty to two counts of domestic violence in one case and battery in another. In 2005, a jury acquitted him of a third domestic violence charge, a felony, after his accuser changed her story. He reportedly was convicted of battery in his hometown of Grand Rapids, Mich., and he has also been the subject of civil lawsuits accusing him of battery.

An Obama spokeswoman said Mayweather has paid for what she termed his "mistakes."

http://www.lvrj.com/news/10761301.html

ALL that need happen now is for Louis Farrakhan to show up at an event! :evilgrin:

[jonnyblitz]

30. not all of us concerned about this issue are part of the Obama

vs Hillary supporters tit-for-tat thing going on that many of YOU are. Some of us actually CARE about this issue and don't appreciate that many of YOU with an agenda have HIJACKED this and turned it into a pissing contest between two personality cults. NOT ALL OF US MAD AT OBAMA ARE FUCKING HILLARY SUPPORTERS AND WE CRITICIZE HER, TOO.

[KittyWampus]

42. Really, you went out of your way to post criticism of Hillary's pandering/acceptance of black

homophobes?

That's the point that the OP is making.

[jonnyblitz]

31. not all of us concerned about this issue are part of the Obama

vs Hillary supporters tit-for-tat thing going on that many of YOU are. Some of us actually CARE about this issue and don't appreciate that many of YOU with an agenda have HIJACKED this and turned it into a pissing contest between two personality cults. NOT ALL OF US MAD AT OBAMA ARE FUCKING HILLARY SUPPORTERS AND WE CRITICIZE HER, TOO.

[Bluebear]

34. I'll go further, I don't think MOST of us are Hillary supporters, yet that's what I keep hearing.

"Clinton did it too!"

[KittyWampus]

41. and where was your outrage then? Hence the term "selective" outrage.

and I'll just post this disclaimer- I support Dodd and Biden.

[Bluebear]

43. "Then" what? She doesn't get a pass on it at all. When is her concert?

[rinsd]

63. A press release about a meeting with Bay area black clergyman vs major concert.

It was a blurb in the middle of a single press release that does not mention endorsements or Rev Mayberry's name in the title.

The outrage can't be selective if the first event was virtually unknown.

[sniffa]

28. y'know what most peopLe do when they make a mistake?

they fix it.

and overpLaying? sure, the hiLLary supporters are jumping on this issue, much to my dispLeasure, since they don't reaLLy care... but the community affected by this shouLd be quiet? he hasn't even fucking apoLogized, and distanced himseLf.

if he thinks he'LL stiLL snag the GLBT vote as it's often taken for granted, he'LL be very surprised.

[terrya]

35. Agreed.

I agree with all that you said.

This was fixable. And Senator Obama chose not to fix it. Even worse, the Human Rights Campaign came out with a wishy-washy statement saying how "disappointed" they were that McClurkin. "Disappointed" in the same kind of tone that a mother would say to her son when little Billy doesn't eat his vegetables.

This will be remembered by the GLBT community. Christ, it's bad enough when Obama...as well as Clinton and Edwards...refuse to support our right to same-sex marriage equality. We're then expected to cough up that cash and support, anyway. But when ANY Presidential candidate cozies themselves up to people like this one, who basically represents the enemies of the GLBT community...it's a little too goddamned much to take.

Obama had his chance to do the right thing. And he didn't. And that has nothing to do with the GLBT community or people who are outraged over this incident.

[Bluebear]

32. 'I have voiced my concern to the campaign directly.'

I appreciate that. I don't for a minute think that Obama himself brought this on, but he can certainly stop it. Thanks for taking the time to make yourself heard, wndy.

[terrya]

38. I appreciate it, also.

I appreciate all you did, wndycty. I don't want to seem ungrateful for your getting in touch with the Obama campaign.

Thanks.

[Odin2005]

37. Ah, the joys of culture war BS...

It's pretty sad that when it comes to a gospel music event an artist's views on social issues are more important then how good his music is. The culture war-based politicization of EVERYTHING is sickening.

[Bluebear]

39. Yes, it's sickening and "sad" to point out bigotry. And "politicize" it.

:silly:

[terrya]

44. Yeah, that's real sad.

That certainly is tragic...calling out someone who is an out and out bigot...who represents groups who refuse to have any kind of dialogue with the GLBT community...said groups who rail against the "homosexual agenda" and who sponsor anti-gay state constitutional marriage amendments and who champion bigotry and hatred. Yeah, that's a damned shame when we get angry about that.

[Odin2005]

46. This guy was invited to sing, not give a speech about gay marriage.

This guy is at the event to sing, not go on gay-bashing rants, hence my comment about the "politicization of everything." I'm sure a lot of the singers (especially country/western ones) and bands I like to listen to don't agree with my views on various issues, but that doesn't mean I don't like them or their music.

[trotsky]

48. Yeah, but Odin...

this isn't like disagreeing with someone on whether states or the federal goverment should be responsible for funding schools. Or on whether the top tax bracket should be 33% or 35%. The issue strikes a LOT closer to home for many of our fellow Democrats - directly to a part of who they are. I know this counter-example is extreme but it does serve to make a point: would you be willing to defend a white candidate if on a concert series they booked Prussian Blue to sing? The girls do have nice singing voices, so what does it matter? "Does everything have to be politicized?"

[Odin2005]

49. Bad comparison.

Prussian Blue is a avowedly political White Nationalist band, they aren't singers that happen to be racists

[trotsky]

50. Fair enough. So...

What if it was a comedy tour, and the white candidate invited Michael Richards to perform?

[Odin2005]

51. Who's that? never herd of him.

:shrug:

[trotsky]

53. "Kramer" from Seinfeld.

Used the "N" word at a comedy club.

[Odin2005]

57. Oh, now, I remember. *smacks head*

And no, I wouldn't really have a problem with him as long as he keeps his mouth shut when it comes to any racist opinions he might have at the event.

[trotsky]

60. Alright, so it doesn't offend *you*.

How do you think African Americans might feel? And do you think their feelings would be justified?

How about an endorsement event by the LAPD in which Mark Furhman speaks? Do you think that as long as he didn't offer up any of his racist opinions it should just be treated as an ordinary campaign event?

[Karenina]

55. It's an old quagmire, "Can the artist and his work

be separated?" Barenboim thought so, creating intense controversy even after so many decades. ;-)

IMHO, Obama should have dropped Donnie INSTANTLY but he obviously doesn't grok WHY. Maybe with the addition of Sitton, we'll some theater. THAT could be interesting...

[Odin2005]

58. Well, I'm sure there were plenty racist or anti-Semetic classical music composers...

But tons of people still listen to Wagner. :shrug:

[Bluebear]

61. We get it, it's no skin off your teeth.

[Chovexani]

80. Donnie McCloset isn't just a singer that happens to be a homophobe

The man has built his career on disgusting anti-gay views and has deliberately marketed himself as "ex-gay" among the Talibornagain crowd. Most of his time in the last few years has been spent demonizing the same men he secretly gets down with.

Please read up on him, it's not like any of this is a secret.

[goodgd_yall]

94. You do know he DID give a speech, don't you? n/t

[sniffa]

47. hey, stop picking on their candidate

it upsets them.

[bigwillq]

40. Obama has a choice.

It's all up to him. He can simply just tell McClurkin not to perform as well as that group, Mary Mary, which has also spoken out against the gay community and then distance himself from known bigots.

Obama's association with known bigots is a vulnerability and a liability. It comprises his integrity and his stance on gay and equals becomes questionable.

It's not about destroying the man. He made his bed and now he can either lie in it or turn down the covers and start over. It's up to him.

I don't think he's a bigot but it is indeed questionable as to why he would associate himself with known bigots.

Either fix the problem or continue to be criticized b/c this is an issue I cannot back down from...we shouldn't back down from it. We need to embrace the change of American opinion on homosexuality. It doesn't seem like Obama is willing to do that yet.

[Karenina]

67. Would that Reverend Andy Sidden

smack all the fundie bigots upside their heads. Diplomatically, of course. :evilgrin:

[sampsonblk]

45. K & R

[NMMNG]

52. Obama is destroying himself

The frantic, rabid behavior of some of his followers is evidence of that. But if he doesn't give a damn then why should they?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

54. I couldn't agree more. This is about destroying the man.

I too think the McClurkin choice was a collossal fuck-up. The campaign was probably not real well versed in the man's views on gay people, but still. The man sang for Bush at the RNC Convention! That alone should have been a red flag! Personally, I'm for a lifelong ban from Dem events of any performer who ever had anything to with campaigning for this corrupt evil administration. I'm looking right at you, Gloria Estefan and Ricky Martin.

Now that Obama is aware of the situation he should remove the man from the lineup as a demonstration of support for civil rights for ALL people. But the outrage on DU was flaring well before any statement was made. It was astonishing to see the way people were calling for Obama's head and accusing him of bigotry before all the facts were in. It was doubly astonishing to see DUers who were incensed about homophobia casually pass off ignorant stereotypes of African Americans as though they were common wisdom.

This is getting uglier by the day and from this point on I will not be weighing in on it anymore. The concert hasn't happened yet and I hope that the campaign does the right thing.

[Odin2005]

59. Didn't he play for Clinton or some similar Dem event in 1992? n/t.

[Bluebear]

64. No, he played for Bush in 2004.

[Bullet1987]

66. The McClurkin thing is a mixture of over-the-top outrage

and politics. But seeing as how Presidential politicians are connected to ALL KINDS of people through endorsements, general support, or something like this...you can make the argument that ALL Prez candidates should be held over the fire like Obama has been. The reason this isn't a major news story is because Obama should not be held accountable for SOMEONE ELSES views. Period! Since this isn't a big news story...this will NOT effect Obama's campaign nearly as much as people WANT it to. And I've said that ad nauseum. And that's why the thread starter is right when he says people are just out to destroy him now instead of voicing their disapproval...hence it being more about culture war politics.

[Bluebear]

69. It's only over the top because you could give a shit about it.

[rinsd]

70. Yes he did. Though he didn't become homophobe "exgay" until around 2000.

[Ethelk2044]

74. Yes, he played for Clinton. Bill attended an event 0/15/07 and Donnie

was there as well.

[Apollo11]

65. Lay off Gloria Estefan - Gloria is the greatest !!!

Gloria Estefan is one of the greatest and most expressive singers in the world and probably the most succesful latin music artist of all time.

Gloria is a figurehead not only for Cuban-Americans but for all of Americas hispanic and spanish-speaking communities.

Her new album "90 Millas" is a wonderful tribute to Cuban culture.

Gloria's father was anti-Castro. But that doesn't necessarily mean that Gloria is pro-Bush.

In fact Gloria has said that she is supporting Hillary Clinton for President in 2008.

La cantante confirmó que votaría por Hillary Clinton a la presidencia estadunidense “porque creo que la política necesita más estrógenos”. :-)
http://www.milenio.com/index.php/2007/09/19/122662/

Also check out this recent interview and discussion on Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jesse-kornbluth/gloria-estefan-like-com_b_63337.html

[mrreowwr_kittty]

72. She has performed for Bush at a gala dinner and was a performer at the 2004 RNC Convention

Glad to see that she's seen the light and I love her singing but we have to have principles! Sorry Gloria, lifelong ban. :spank:

[Apollo11]

79. Please STOP spreading lies about Gloria !!

The google search engine can find nothing to show that Gloria performed at the RNC in 2004.

Except that the Republian Party wished that Gloria Estefan would perform at their Convention.

Maybe there is no trace because the internet was not invented yet in 2004 ???? :eyes:

It is well documented that Gloria has done great work for many good causes.

I have not seen any evidence that she has actively assisted the Republican Party.

I have provided a link showing that Gloria supports Hillary for President in 2008.

Now please - can we stop the smears ???

GO GLORIA!

:kick:

[trotsky]

82. Apparently she at least jumps around the spectrum as the situation changes.

http://www.jerseygop.com/RepublicanBabes56.html
"That message is that we stand with you and all Americans Mr. President as we defend our way of life, the very freedom upon which this nation was founded. The American dream, El sueño Americano - No matter which language you say it in en Ingles o en español. We are behind you Mr. President. Under your leadership along with all our fellow Americans in the battle ahead…"

[Apollo11]

85. That was on the first anniversary of 9/11

In 2002, Gloria Estefan accepted an invitation to perform at an event to remember the victims of 9/11.

She was speaking in that context - before the invasion of Iraq.

OK so she was being maybe "overly" patriotic. Does that mean she deserves a "lifetime ban"?

It's not the same as actively helping to raise funds for the GOP or anything like that.

I never claimed that Gloria Estefan is a lifelong Democrat either.

In any case I will continue to buy her CDs and enjoy her music. B-)

[depakid]

71. It was a rookie mistake

not just on Obama's part- but on the organization's.

Expect to see more of them before it's all over.

[calteacherguy]

73. I disagree that he fucked up. He's practicing the politics of hope and engagement.

And I commend him for reaching out and being strong in his convictions.

[Bluebear]

84. Man is that argument full of crap.

[Renew Deal]

89. lol

Irony

[jenmito]

75. And today Tucker accused Obama of caving to the LW extreme by putting out his statement

:shrug:

[terrya]

76. Gosh, that was predicatable.

:eyes:

[jenmito]

77. He's damned no matter what he does.

If he dumped the guy there would be some Dems. accusing him of giving into pressure just like he's being accused now.

[wndycty]

78. Thursday evening kick since the DU keeps piling on. . .

:kick:

[fightindonkey]

81. Yes, Sure Obama Fan. Obama Is Over. Who's Going To Backfire On Him? Other Dems?

[Renew Deal]

83. Does anyone in the real world (not DU) know who McKlurkin is?

And they don't give a shit who he is either. This is all just fun for people that have nothing better to do, like say volunteering on a campaign.

[sniffa]

86. thanks for minimizing

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3644618

[Renew Deal]

88. It's not minimizing.

It's reaLity.

[sniffa]

90. it's not reaLity

it's caLLed being an heartLess asshoLe.

[Renew Deal]

91. No one is putting food on their table

With McClurkin's money. No one is escaping fires with McLurkin's help. No one is avoiding another tour in Iraq because of McLurkin's help. No one in the real world (outside of DU) cares.

[Bluebear]

87. Thanks a lot for your support.

[ecstatic]

92. yep. Obama is almost tied with Clinton now, in Iowa

There's a right way and a wrong way to get your point across. The right way is a way in which certain listeners will be converted, not put off.

[Bluebear]

93. Yep, in fact it was so important to dredge this thread up after 4 days.

Agenda, thy name is THAL.

[FredScuttle]

96. Because we must reach out to bigots

Thank you Barack for showing us the light...here we thought bigots who proudly proclaim that "homosexuality is a curse" and declare in interviews they're "at war" with homosexuality were to be fought at every turn. Little did we know the ingenious strategy of not only welcoming them, but giving them a microphone and an audience to preach their filth to :sarcasm:

I hope Obama enjoys his 30 pieces of silver.