Shirley McClaine says Kucinich saw -- and smelled-- a UFO at her WA home.

[pnwmom]

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/10/kucinich_had_a_ufo_encounter_according_to_friend_shirley_maclaine.php

In Shirley MacLaine's new book, the actress and longtime friend of Dennis Kucinich makes an interesting claim: During a visit to her home in Washington state, Kucinich said he saw a UFO and heard messages from it.

"Dennis found his encounter extremely moving," MacLaine writes. "The smell of roses drew him out to my balcony where, when he looked up, he saw a gigantic triangular craft, silent, and observing him.

"It hovered, soundless, for 10 minutes or so, and sped away with a speed he couldn't comprehend. He said he felt a connection in his heart and heard directions in his mind."


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He "HEARD DIRECTIONS IN HIS MIND"????? Say it ain't so, Dennis!

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

1. Well, where else would you hear directions?

[Donnachaidh]

2. err, ever visit with a looney relative?

Perhaps Dennis was *playing along* with Shirley's longtime loonie tunes? I'd have to hear his side before I started bashing Dennis over any of this. :shrug:

[pnwmom]

3. I agree -- I want to know what Kucinich has to say about this.

Unfortunately, it appears he's not commenting. Here's a link to the original article.

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1193128634148360.xml&coll=2

Kucinich's campaign and congressional representatives did not return calls and e-mail asking whether the Cleveland Democrat, now in his sixth congressional term, in fact saw a UFO or if there was some other explanation for MacLaine's recollection.

[cobalt1999]

44. Wonder what's taking him so long to respond.

You'd think this is type of thing he'd want to deny ASAP. It reinforces every negative "woo-woo" image people may have of him. He needs to call MacLaine and get her to retract also.

[mikelgb]

4. ...

another rose scent exp from googling:
Back in August of 2004, after I had gotten my car, I decided to drive out to Roswell, New Mexico for a weekend stay.
I saw the UFO Museum and went to a couple of stores and had a great time.
When it was time to go back home, I got up in the middle of the night, packed and then checked out.
I was worried about the journey back, though because of my lack of sleep that night.
As I was driving through the desert in the darkness of the night at around 4:00AM,
I was still worrying about the long drive. I asked God to help me out.
A few minutes later, much to my astonishment, the car filled up with the scent of Roses.
I pulled over off of the highway briefly to see if I could find where the scent was coming from.
I could not find any point of origin for it nor any explanation.
I pulled back out onto the highway and as I did, this incredible feeling of peace came over me.
I drove back home the rest of the way knowing that I as beiing watched over and protected.
I made it back home without incident.

...
weird

[incapsulated]

10. I will bet dollars to donuts

These people have a Catholic background, lol.

[Donnachaidh]

14. wow -- what an offensive comment, even for DU

Guess all those thousands of people who claim to have been *taken* or *visited* by aliens are all Catholic, huh?

Of course, Catholics don't speak in tongues or handle snakes in their services. :sarcasm:

[incapsulated]

15. lol! I was raised Catholic and you missed my other post

The only time I've EVER heard of the scent of roses being associated with the supernatural was with Catholic Saints.

I think people are projecting their own culture into their "alien encounters".

[Donnachaidh]

31. you obviously need to expand your knowledge of other groups

And it's still an offensive comment. :shrug:

[incapsulated]

50. It's a fucking joke told by someone who was brought up catholic

Herself.

But don't let me stop you from your faux outrage.

[TwilightGardener]

16. WTF???

[incapsulated]

18. Jesus christ, do people only skim even 15 post threads, now?

READ THE FUCKING CONTEXT.

[TwilightGardener]

27. Yeah, context. As a Catholic--I still say, WTF???

[incapsulated]

28. Did you go to Catholic school?

Because when I went, they taught reading comprehension.

[Donnachaidh]

33. Better check your writing skills

People cannot *read* your mind. And snarking at others because they took offense to your ill-conceived comment is oh so mature. Not.

[incapsulated]

49. I guess that was the ONLY POST in this thread you read.

Since my explanation is sitting right there, above you.

And again, further down thread.

But no, I won't help you find what is right in front of your face.

[Algorem]

5. all smort folks know there aint no aliens or mind readin stuff

[pnwmom]

34. I hope the smart people running for President aren't listening to

directives from outer space.

Although it sounds like some of the Rethugs are (and maybe the current occupant).

[BridgeTheGap]

6. Kucinich ain't the only person of prominence who this has happened to

July 25, 1998, Saturday, 7:30 PM

Former newspaperman Phil Krapf went from a staunch skeptic to a firm believer in three days. A retired copy editor of the Los Angeles Times, he shared in the Pulitzer Prize for coverage of the LA riots in the early 1990's.

Four years into retirement in June of 1997, he was enjoying the good life when his life changed forever. In his book, The Contact Has Begun, Phil chronicles his three-day abduction experience. This former skeptic who previously scoffed at tales of alien abductions finds himself in the uncomfortable position of coming to terms with his own experience. He is now absolutely certain there is such a phenomenon as alien abductions, a condition he previously flatly rejected as preposterous.

A revelation of this magnitude and exposure from a prominent journalist comes with a very big price to pay. After speaking on Art Bell's Coast to Coast program several months ago, Phil found this out! So in addition to speaking about his experience, he will touch on the heavy personal, social and psychological price that accompanies going public with an abduction story.

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White Sands Incident - Daniel Fry - physicist
I had gone about half a mile past the rifle range on this road when I first saw it. The sun had been down for some time, and there was practically no daylight left, but the sky was bright with stars, and the moon, though not yet above the horizon, was

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producing considerable diffused light in the sky. As I looked up at a group of especially bright stars hanging just over the peaks of the mountains, one of the stars suddenly went out. This, of course, immediately riveted my attention on that spot, for stars don't .just go out, (not in a cloudless sky anyway). At first I thought that a passing plane had cut off the light, but even with the thought, I knew it couldn't be that, for a moving plane would require less than a second to pass a given spot, and the star starred out. Also, in the silence of the desert area around the proving grounds at night, a plane could be heard much farther than it could be seen, and there was no sound at all. No weather balloons were sent up at night, and a weather balloon would be rising quite rapidly: therefore it would only eclipse a star for a few seconds. Then another star just to the right went out, and a few seconds later two more just below. By this time a strong prickling sensation was traveling up my spine. Whatever it was that was cutting off the light of the stars. was increasing rapidly in apparent size and since the bearing remained constant, it could only mean that it was coming directly toward me.

Then finally I saw it and at the same time realized why I had not been able to see it sooner. It's color appeared to be so neatly that of the night sky that even when it was quite close it was difficult to see

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anything but the outline. It was still coming toward me, and I felt a strong inclination to run, but long experience in blasting and rocket work had taught me that it is foolish to run from an approaching missile until you are sure of it s trajectory; since you are just as likely to run into it, as away from it. Also, you have no chance to judge it s trajectory while you are running.

The object was now very close, and I could see. that it was an ovate spheroid about thirty feet in diameter at the equator or largest part. It was now traveling at not more than fifteen or twenty miles per hour and seemed to be decelerating at a rate that would bring it to zero velocity by the time it reached the ground. I could also see that unless it changed course, it would miss me by at least fifty feet. Somewhat reassured by its slowness of motion, I remained where I was and watched it glide in as lightly as a bit of thistle down floating in the breeze and settle to the ground about seventy feet away without the slightest bump or jar. Except for the crackling of brush beneath it, it hadn't made a sound. For perhaps twenty or thirty seconds I stood staring at it like a child at his first circus performance.

I have been working for some years in the field of rocket and other missile development, and through my work and connections at White Sands, I had thought that I was fairly well acquainted with most

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of the developments in the aircraft field. But here was a craft so far advanced over anything I had ever heard of, that I felt like the backwoods farmer who, on first seeing a giraffe, said, "Well I see it, but I don't believe it." My first conscious thought was, "if the Russians have ships like this, God help America!" But with the thought came the realization that this could not be a craft from Russia, or anywhere else on earth for that matter; for whoever had built this craft had solved a lot of problems of which our best physicists are only beginning to dream.

The ship's operation was silent. There had been no thrumming of propellers, no flash and roar of incandescent gases being hurled from nozzles to produce thrust. The ship had simply coasted quietly in from the "great blue yonder" and settled gently to earth. Perhaps that was the answer. The craft had been coming down since I first saw it. Perhaps it was just gliding in; but before landing it had slowed down to only a few miles per hour and had shown no evidence of falling. Only a helicopter or a "lighter than air craft" could do this, but there were no propeller blades whatever on this vehicle, and the fact that the brush was crushed flat under it when it settled to the ground proved conclusively that this was no "lighter than air" craft.

http://danielfry.com/index.php?id=114
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The Disclosure Project is a nonprofit research project working to fully disclose the facts about UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence, and classified advanced energy and propulsion systems. We have over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret.

http://www.disclosureproject.org/

[pnwmom]

35. No, but he might be the only one listening to messages from them

who is also running for President.

Hopefully the message said "PEACE."

And not, "LAY DOWN YOUR WEAPONS. WE'RE MOVING IN."

;)

[incapsulated]

7. Wait, since when do aliens smell like "roses"?

Uh, Shirley, it's Catholic SAINTS that smell all rose like.

:silly:

[Bluebear]

9. They use BlonkX&&*@EE, rose scent.

[incapsulated]

12. Oh, yeah, on the spaceship dashboard.

:D

[Arugula Latte]

38. They often hang a dangly rose-shaped air freshener

from the spaceship's rearview mirror.

[Cameron27]

11. Well ye-ah,

every idiot knows they stink like marigolds. Jeeze.

[cobalt1999]

8. Being friends with MacLaine is almost more disturbing than

hearing directions in his mind.

His woo-woo factor is off the scale.

[Algorem]

13. you're only supposed to hear "God" in your head,like Bush does

[cobalt1999]

22. That's disturbing as well.

Bush is woo-woo to the right, Kucinich is woo-woo to the left.

How about a grounded, intelligent, science based decision maker?

[pnwmom]

40. I am leery of any President hearing directions in his mind, Bush being

a perfect example.

[TwilightGardener]

17. No more Dennis at the debates, please. Time to cull the herd. This is embarrassing.

[mikelgb]

20. when culling, always look to yourself first

[Clintonista2]

23. Ironic for an Obama supporter to be suggesting that

After your guy goes on tour with a Fred Phelps wanna-be. At least Kucinich holds strong Democratic values.

[TwilightGardener]

29. LOL!

[Arugula Latte]

41. Yeah, well, Clinton doesn't smell like roses herself. Case in point:

[PurityOfEssence]

25. Jimmy Carter saw a UFO in 1969 and publicly acknowledged it before the '76 election

Should HE be drummed out of the body politic too?

If you don't like Kucinich, too bad, but by party rules, he DESERVES to be there. He's raised enough money to meet the threshold and he's polling as well as two of the other candidates who I'm sure you'd still allow to exist.

He's too left for me and I think some of his policies are just plain impractical and economically dangerous, but he's not a crank and in many ways he's the conscience of the party. I'm sorry she came out with this because it'll hurt him, but it's hardly the most damaging thing to come down the pike.

Many jokes were made about Carter's having seen a UFO or lusting in his heart after women, but he still unseated Ford, and considering the terrible hand he was dealt, was a pretty good President.

Censorship is unseemly for a Democrat.

[pnwmom]

36. I don't recall Carter as having seen one close up or as having

received a message from one. Do you?

I wish Kucinich would clarify this, because otherwise, all we're left with is what McClaine says.

[rjones2818]

55. UFOs or bigoted gospel singers...

I choose UFOs.

[LoZoccolo]

19. Gee, maybe I won't vote for him in the general if he's the nominee now.

Up until now I'd vote for any of the candidates.

[slipslidingaway]

21. Read the Patriot Act, read the NIE...those directions? n/t

[Algorem]

24. Shirley MacClaine says Jimmy Carter also talked UFO's to her

Jimmy Carter UFO

http://www.presidentialufo.com/jimmy.htm

he told me many times that when I first wrote Out On A Limb that he would support me, that it was true, that there were crafts, that he believed there were occupants, why should we be the only people in the universe. He wanted to shine the sunshine laws on intelligence, to expose it, to see how the people would react, but he didn't and wouldn't and couldn't as he explained to me."

Other than this Larry King interview Shirley MacLaine has not commented further on what President Carter told her in connection with what he learned as President about the UFO situation. The Carter library has stated that the records reviewed so far show MacLaine did not visit the White House or correspond with Jimmy Carter.

The story told by MacLaine seems to place Carter’s statement to her in the nineties when she wrote Out on a Limb. These Carter records are still in President Carter’s possession and have not arrived at the library. This author sent a letter to Ms. MacLaine, asking her to comment on the statements she and Nicholas Cage made in 1995. The letter was never answered.

Carter, in retrospect, was a very curious President who asked a lot of questions during briefings that were given to him. "Carter was a very careful and interested listener," wrote a CIA author, "and an active participant. All who were present remember that he asked a great many questions, often in minute detail.



http://www.ufoencounters.co.uk/FamousPeopleWhoHaveSeenUFOs.html

...Carter’s successor in the White House, Ronald Reagan, also allegedly saw a UFO while he was the Governor of California. Reagan was travelling in a small plane when he noticed a strange light which seemed to be following the aircraft. The light accelerated a little ahead and, at Reagan’s suggestion, his plane pursued it for a few minutes before it zoomed away vertically at tremendous speed.

Reagan developed an obsession with extra-terrestrials and mentioned them frequently in his speeches. Once, in a speech to the UN, he even said that the United States and the Soviet Union might be forced to make common cause if Earth faced an extra-terrestrial invasion.

[pnwmom]

37. But she didn't report that he had gotten "directions" from one, like Kucinich.

Carter's open-mindedness to the idea that there are UFO's, that other life could well exist, seems on a whole different level than what McClaine reports about Kucinich.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

26. In fairness, this is no sillier than the religious views of many candidates

[pnwmom]

39. True. And aren't we tired of having a President who thinks he is a conduit

of messages from above?

[Arugula Latte]

42. To me it's just as nuts to believe in alien visitations as it is

to believe that Jesus is gonna come back from the dead.

[cuke]

30. They were interested in his plan for Universal Health Care

They like the sound of it

[Totally Committed]

32. Everyone knows that the first thing aliens look for is our "leader".

Once they knew they found him, they left to take a look at his plans for universal healthcare and a department of peace.

TC

[Algorem]

43. Former Gov Symington Admits Seeing “Craft Of Unknown Origin”

Former AZ Gov Symington Admits To Seeing “Craft Of Unknown Origin”

http://www.paranormalresource.com/former-az-gov-symington-admits-to-seeing-craft-of-unknown-origin/


On March 13, 1997, unexplained lights appeared over Phoenix, Arizona. I was in town when the mysterious event took place. While authorities would like you to believe that these were merely military flares, former Arizona Governor Fife Symington says there is much more to the story.

Symington now admits that he was among the hundreds of witnesses who saw a huge triangular object in the skies over Phoenix. The former Governor made a number of statements about the Phoenix Lights mystery to Leslie Kean, Special Correspondent to The Prescott Daily Courier. The statements were included in an article by Kean published in the Courier on March 18, 2007. In that article, the former Arizona Governor describes what he saw on March 13, 1997:

“It was enormous and inexplicable,” he said. “Who knows where it came from? A lot of people saw it, and I saw it too.”

Symington was referring to a V-shaped object with lights on it seen in the skies over Phoenix ten years ago. Some estimated the lights to be the size of a football field, while others said they could have been a mile long. He continued to describe his own sighting of the triangular object: “It was dramatic. And it couldn’t have been flares because it was too symmetrical.” The former Arizona Governor revealed the object to be a “craft of unknown origin.”...





Former Ariz. governor boosts UFO claims
Ten years after ‘Phoenix Lights,’ Symington says he was a witness

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17761943/


PHOENIX - Former Arizona Gov. Fife Symington, who trotted out an aide dressed as an alien 10 years ago to spoof the frenzy surrounding mysterious lights in the Phoenix sky, now says the lights were actually an alien spacecraft.

Now a pastry chef and business consultant, Symington is keying in on the anniversary of the sighting of the so-called "Phoenix Lights" by reversing course, saying the lights were really extraterrestrial and that he saw a UFO himself.

"I'm a pilot and I know just about every machine that flies," Symington said Thursday. "It was bigger than anything that I've ever seen. It remains a great mystery. Other people saw it, responsible people. I don't know why people would ridicule it."

During a news conference in 1997, Symington, a former Air Force captain then in his second term as governor, told the assembled press that an alien had been captured. He then ushered out his chief of staff, Jay Heiler, dressed in a costume complete with oversized head and eyes...

[pnwmom]

45. Probably lots of people have seen flying objects they couldn't identify.

But seeing one up close, smelling it, and listening to directions from it puts this event -- if it actually occurred -- on a whole different level.

[pnwmom]

46. dupe

[smalll]

47. This can only help Gravel -

he can now plausibly claim to be the "sane" lefty in the race!

[kurtyboy]

48. I grew up about five miles from there

MacLaine built a house in the northwest a couple of decades ago--it created quite a stir around our small town. I know precisely where her house is, and if a UFO was there, the Navy knew about it too. She lives right under a often-used flight path of NAS Whidbey Island, where all of the Navy's EA-6B electronic warfare squadrons are based. I would say that unless Kucinich visited on a light-flight day, their conversations were interrupted more than once by very loud aircraft. Depending on their approach, it can be nearly impossible to carry on a conversation when these aircraft pass.

So, if a craft of any size had any altitude (more than fifty feet) it would likely be picked up by Whidbey radar, which paints the rocky hillside of MacLaine's home every few seconds, twentyfour-seven, threesixtyfive. As for the roses? Crap, I dunno.

Now, all that said, I spotted something in the air I could not identify once while flying over southern Indiana. It was a brown object, that just appeared to be motionless at about 30,000 feet. I never reported it, and never looked into it further. But I have told of the event many times when people are going off about "crackpots" who spot UFOs. A baseball is a UFO until the moment it is identified--no crackpottery is necessary to spot it.

[cobalt1999]

51. You are correct --- no crackpottery to spot a UFO.

It is a crackpot who thinks that a UFO is an alien spacecraft that is speaking to them though.

[defendandprotect]

52. Shirley MacLaine has written some very interesting books....

things to think about --

We have no answers because the CIA is also sitting on all of this stuff -
and after JFK presidency they refused to brief any further presidents --
told Carter he "didn't have high enough security clearance" to see the UFO records, per then CIA director Poppy Bush.

Why is this Kucinich story so much more alarming to DUers than George Bush claiming that he spoke to "god" who told him to attack Afghanistan -- and then "god" told him to attack Iraq!!! ????

Most people are just more used to hearing about "god" talk --

On the other hand, we probably have a better chance of finding out there are aliens than a "god."

[cobalt1999]

53. Shirley MacLaine is full of shit.

No proof of any of her assertions.

Bush is as full of "woo-woo" as Kucinich. I'd rather have a rational, scientific, and grounded person making decisions as president than any alien or god believer.

[defendandprotect]

56. But you can prove there's a "god" . . . ????

Anyone of any intelligence recognizes that you can neither prove nor disprove the existence of a god.

Meanwhile -- though "god" is accepted even on our dollar bills ---

[cobalt1999]

57. There is no god either.

[ncabot22]

54. This reminds me of an episode of Frasier

Frasier had endorsed the progressive candidate. On Frasier's balcony, the candidate admitted to seeing a UFO. Of course, Frasier thought the guy was nuts but still supported him.

The press broke a story about the progressive candidate hiring an illegal alien to work in his home. When Frasier heard, he assumed the media was talking about the UFO. He goes on air to denounce the story, saying many people have seen UFOs. Of course, this brings more scandal.

It is funnier to watch rather than to read my synopsis. :)

[Snarkturian Clone]

58. ugh

:crazy: :crazy: :dunce: :crazy: :crazy: