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Lobster Martini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:21 PM
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Gallup: Democrats have rarely had a front-runner as dominant as Clinton
Clinton’s Lead in Historical Perspective
Leads greater than 20 points rare for Democrats

PRINCETON, NJ -- The most recent USA Today/Gallup poll finds Sen. Hillary Clinton extending her already sizable lead over Barack Obama for Democrats' 2008 presidential nomination preference. Half of Democrats say they are most likely to support her for the nomination, and her 29-point lead over Sen. Barack Obama is the largest she has held to date...leads greater than 20 percentage points have been rare in past Democratic campaigns, but historically those who have enjoyed such a large lead in Gallup Polls this late in the year won the nomination the following year.

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Clinton's Lead in Historical Perspective
Since the 1972 campaign -- when the power to choose the party nominees was shifted from national convention delegates to voters in state primaries and caucuses -- Democrats have rarely had a front-runner as dominant as Clinton. In four of eight contested nomination campaigns from 1972 to 2004, no candidate had a lead of 20 points in a Gallup Poll at any point during the year prior to the election. In two other campaigns, this occurred just once during that time. Only in 1979 (Sen. Ted Kennedy) and 1999 (former Vice President Al Gore) were front-runners able to sustain a lead of that magnitude for several polls.

Kennedy and Hart ultimately lost their nomination bids, but their large leads came much earlier in the campaigns. Kennedy's candidacy lost its steam when Jimmy Carter's popularity surged in late 1979 following the Iran hostage crisis and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Hart's 20-point lead occurred in the last poll taken before he suspended his campaign after the press was able to confirm rumors he was having an extramarital affair.

Mondale and Gore, who like Clinton held their large leads much later in the campaign, both went on to win the Democratic presidential nomination. Moreover, Mondale and Gore saw their leads expand between the start of the election year and the Iowa Caucuses. Both then won the Iowa caucuses, though Mondale would subsequently lose the New Hampshire primary to Hart and see his lead disappear. Mondale recovered and had the nomination well in hand by April. Gore won the 2000 New Hampshire primary over Bradley and easily won the nomination.

Clinton is also just the third Democratic presidential candidate to have reached 50% support on Gallup's national ballot in the year prior to the election, joining Kennedy in 1979 and Gore in 1999. Gore's long run of support in excess of 50% is partly attributable to the fact that he had just one challenger for the nomination.

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Implications
By now, it is obvious that Clinton is extremely well-positioned to win the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination. Her status as the front-runner seems to be strengthening at an opportune time with the Iowa Caucuses less than three months away. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that she could stumble and not win the nomination as did Kennedy and Hart, but those cases occurred under rather extreme circumstances. Also, those candidates held their large leads long before any votes were cast. Because of her large lead this close to the first official contest, one would expect the Clinton campaign to "play it safe" and not take the sort of risks that could derail her campaign. Indeed, the perception is that she is already "moving toward the center" by taking more moderate positions on issues that Democratic primary voters may not necessarily endorse, but that may position her better for the general election campaign against the Republican. At the same time, her chief rivals Obama and Edwards find themselves in a position where they may have no choice but to step up their attacks on her in an effort to weaken her standing.

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(Link: http://www.gallup.com/poll/102265/Clintons-Lead-Historical-Perspective.aspx)

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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:24 PM
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1. indeed - not since howard dean in 2004
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:26 PM
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5. Howard Dean was not even close
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:30 PM
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10. Ummm....No


Marist College Poll. Oct. 27-29, 2003. N=339 Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents nationwide. MoE ± 5.5.
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"If the next Democratic presidential primary were held today, whom would you support if the candidates are . . . ?"
10/03 4/03 2/03 1/03 10/02
% % % % %
Howard Dean 16 3 - 1 1
Joseph Lieberman 12 17 18 20 21
Richard Gephardt 10 13 8 9 18
John Kerry 9 10 14 14 6
Wesley Clark 8 n/a n/a n/a n/a
Al Sharpton 5 4 5 3 3
John Edwards 4 5 4 7 3
Carol Moseley Braun 3 3 n/a n/a n/a
Dennis Kucinich 1 1 n/a n/a n/a
Undecided 32 39 42 35 38
Bob Graham n/a 2 3 6 n/a
Gary Hart n/a 3 6 5 n/a
Tom Daschle n/a n/a n/a n/a 10

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http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04dem.htm
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:33 PM
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14. A four-point lead! That's almost outside the margin of error!
Clearly that shows that 2004 is just like 2008.
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:27 PM
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6. Howard Dean was never as dominant as Hillary is now.
Moreover, Dean had a comparatively low recognition factor, and relied largely on the support of youth, activists, and the Internet (all of which are very unproven in maintaining a lead in any election), whereas Hillary has an extremely efficient political machine.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:12 PM
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29. Dean had nothing approaching Clinton's lead
but then, the Just Making Shut Up Brigade (JMSUB) has never let facts get in the way of a good snark.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:25 PM
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2. Rupert Murdoch is that you? How nice you promote your favorite candidate!
:sarcasm: What an education in spin you have provided all of us!
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:29 PM
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9. Edwards' DU supporters may have no choice but to step up their attacks
:rofl:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:32 PM
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12. especially one who just two weeks ago was pretending to be a peace maker
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:38 PM
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15. My efforts were not appreciated . Besides, who am I attacking?You have a problem with a little
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 02:38 PM by saracat
"Murdoch" humor? Or is Rupert not "attackable" anymore?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:41 PM
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16. because they were fake.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:49 PM
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18.  Whatever.Is Rupert still attackable, or must we endorse him now too?
You never answered.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:57 PM
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19. as always, you can do what you want. This faux permission-asking is just more theatrics from you
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:22 PM
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20. Thank you for noticing.That was my major. And I still enjoy a bit of "theatrics"
So I will continue to have "fun with Rupert".:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:39 PM
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22. I can see why you never made a living out of it.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:44 PM
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24. What a sad little snark.I made a very good living at it, thank you.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:46 PM
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25. sure you did.
:)
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:49 PM
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26. Piffle.You are not good at snark.I am glad Hillary didn't have you right the Top 10 list!
It must be simply awful to have no sense of humour.Ah, well.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:53 PM
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27. So, you majored in theater, tried your hand at comedy, and bombed there, too?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 04:05 PM
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28. Oh dear wyld, this is not very nice of you at all. Surely you can be better?
after all, to quote the great Oscar Wilde, "It takes very little efort to be kind to those about whom one cares nothing."
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:26 PM
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3. For God's sakes...
When is this propaganda going to stop? Apparently, they aren't privvy to the straw poll where she just placed 4th in the Bay Area of California. Give me a break. Didn't Edwards win the Iowa and Texas straw polls, as well? Funny how his numbers NEVER change, isn't it?


This country has been duped by the "good cop/bad cop" gameplan, haven't they? Geesh.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:26 PM
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4. The Lead Kennedy Had Over Carter Is Unreal
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 02:26 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
I don't remember him being that far ahead...

Shows how vulnerable Jimmy Carter was that year...
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:29 PM
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8. And shows the near impossibility of deposing an incumbent
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 02:39 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
I think that if LBJ had stayed in the race in 1968 he would probably have won the nomination. Not that he should have... just that he probably would have.

(I think he knew that with a split party he was doomed in the general.)
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:31 PM
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11. I Was Twenty At The Time
I thought my ass would be drafted when Carter instituted registration...
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:42 PM
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17. I remember registering on my 18th birthday and having little use for Carter after that
I just wanted to retain my eligibility for student loans, which were tied to compliance. But I had to think about it.

But I still rooted like crazy for Carter in 1980. My father (life-long dem) voted for Anderson. I knew that if Carter didn't get my dad's vote he was toast.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:28 PM
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7. Obama and Edwards "may have no choice but to step up their attacks"
...her chief rivals Obama and Edwards find themselves in a position where they may have no choice but to step up their attacks on her in an effort to weaken her standing.


It's sad that they need to go negative. But that's politics.
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:32 PM
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13. The problem with that strategy is that it would, IMO, hurt them more than it hurts her.
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 02:35 PM by Rhythm and Blue
First, her negatives are already well-known, and secondly, there is almost zero policy difference between Obama, Edwards, and Clinton. With little solid for voters to cling on to, a negative campaign would just turn into "who do you like more?" And a negative campaign in which everyone targets Hillary, well...that just turns into a "Do you like Hillary?" referendum. And with an 80% favorable rating among Dems, that is not a referendum that Clinton is going to lose.

Her opponents cheerfully call her a "polarizing" figure. "Polarizing," guys, means "you love her or you hate her." And with her sky-high Democratic approval rating, you are setting yourself up for a Clinton landslide by playing the polarization game.

If you want to stop Clinton (and I really wouldn't mind seeing her stopped), the other campaigns are going to have to find some sharp differences--and positive-spun differences at that--between Obama/Edwards and her.
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:26 PM
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21. Thanks n/t
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CCfromNY Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:41 PM
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23. Maybe Hillary is like the dot.com stock market of 99...
... almost everyone was bullish about that too.
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