"People remember Bill Clinton and what it was like to live through that Hell."

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

"Hillary is just about socialism and communism."

Voices from Fox Noise Frank Luntz focus group.

I'm watching this roomful of Republican Hillary haters and they are psychiatrically disturbed... They are foaming at the mouth.

I don't get the "Hillary can't win because Republicans hate her" thing. I think Hillary will win precisely because of the WAY these people hate her. They cannot control themselves.

Veins stiking out on their faces... stutering rage over imaginary crimes... hooting like apes. It is only a matter of time before the lose it and start screaming "bitch... whore...fuckin' bitch!!!"

Independents will be alarmed by this spectacle, and no Dem disunity can survive watching these mutants scream for the end of civilization.

(Most Independents do not think arabs are massing on our borders waiting for Hillary's orders... they have moved on from 9/11, or just forgotten it. That's why they're independents.)

[wyldwolf]

1. exchange a couple of words and you'd be describing the netroots

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

4. Play nice... I'm trying to focus the circular firing squad on this ape patrol

[journalist3072]

Exactly! That's exactly why I see DU reminds me of Free Republic

when it comes to the criticism of Sen. Clinton.

[wyldwolf]

39. watch out ! Jim Sagle (see below) says you're a liar!

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[wyldwolf]

38. nope, I'm spot on.

But you're in denial, as usual.

Time for a "raaaawks" or suxxxxx" from you? :rofl:

[dionysus]

58. I'll do it for him;

your post ain't nothing but repuke-lite lickspittle chickenshit. The DLC suuuuxxxxxx!!!

edit:not the best Sagle impersonation but hopefully it will suffice.

[wyldwolf]

60. You're proof that...

..ignorance is bliss. Your post ain't nothing but PINO "progressive"* socialist-lite short bus rider drool. "Progressives"* SUXXXXX

[yodermon]

65. criticism from the left and "criticism" from the rabid right are vastly,

vastly different things.

[Enrique]

2. the long national nightmare of peace and prosperity

[jenmito]

3. I heard/saw that and sadly, that just proves how she motivates THEM

to come out and vote AGAINST her. Of course you don't get it. It may not be rational but it's reality that so many have felt that way for YEARS as they said, and they do NOT want the Clintons back in the WH.

I don't think Independents will be alarmed as much as demoralized that she's our nominee.

[BootinUp]

10. They are just scared they can't beat her. n/t

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

12. In a serious fight the first to lose his temper loses

[Clintonista2]

16. BINGO!!!!!

That's why we need to nominate a candidate that republicans like.

[jenmito]

20. We need to nominate a candidate who will bring this country together while

standing on principle.

[Clintonista2]

21. But don't you support Obama?

[jenmito]

27. Yup, and I described him perfectly.

[Clintonista2]

28. Obama campaigning with freepers = "Principle"?

Yup, now I remember why I'm sticking with Hillary.

[jenmito]

36. Obama was and is against the war, is for gay rights, is pro-choice,

is for meeting with our enemies, telling us what he really thinks, and sticking to what he says...unlike Hillary.

[Clintonista2]

37. Yup, he's just SOOO pro gay rights

That he's even willing to "tour" with the man who spoke at the Republican Convention calling homosexuality a "curse." Disconnect with reality much, Jenmito?

[jenmito]

41. Yup, he IS for gay rights...

you want to make guilt by association. Sorry, but he's for civil unions, equal rights as married couples, to allow gay people to serve openly in the military, etc. :hi:

[Nedsdag]

64. So you agreed with Hillary's husband about DOMA?

I didn't hear Hillary come out against DOMA after he signed it?

[Clintonista2]

69. Hillary's husband is not running

And Hillary does not support DOMA.

[jenmito]

71. Then why's she running on his record?

Remember her comment about a week ago to a Black audience that she would continue the Clinton presidency? (paraphrasing)

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

22. The "bring the country together" thing is getting embarrassing

Everybody who runs for president says that stuff, and it's all junk... just code for, "Why don't you stop struggling and accept your fate?"

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING can bring this country together, nor should it. The last time we were "brought together" it resulted in the near end of constitutional government in the US.

Any platform that unites America is pablum and lies... feel-good pop psychology to paper over the very real divides in this country.

[BootinUp]

23. Your cynicism is showing :-)

There are ways to conduct Government in a more bipartisan way, Clinton was pretty good at it. I think its one of the reasons the extreme right hated him so much, because he marginalized them. If something is important to move forward on then a solution that can be passed should be sought. It depends on the makeup of Congress of course.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

30. *more* bipartisan, perhaps. Unified, no.

I want Joe Biden to be president so he can partition this country!

[BootinUp]

32. lol.

Well, yes "unified" is a exaggerated, I have to agree there. Perhaps if they said "more unified" it would make at least some sense.

[jenmito]

35. Embarrassing for Hillary supporters maybe...

If you can't see how divisive the Clintons are, I can't help you. :shrug:

You're really in denial if you think nothing can bring this country together and it's sad that you don't even WANT that. Many regular Repubs. like Obama and would vote for him while he keeps his positions that he believes in. Sorry you're for continued divisiveness.

[Dawgs]

73. Exactly. Obama's message should be "WE CAN DO BETTER!!"

Unlike the Hillary supporters message which is "MORE OF THE SAME IS WHAT WE NEED"

[jenmito]

81. I agree. And it's TRUE.

I do not WANT more of the same like her supporters do. :hi:

[gateley]

63. Bravo, K&H! nt

[Cosmocat]

40. Let me make some things clear on this thing ...

1) The first thing that struck me about the people in that room ... ALL OF THEM WERE WHITE ... It just jumped out like a neon light, not a single minority of any kind ...

2) With Hannity once again going apeshiite about how Paul supporters were rigging the phone poll, when that toad lunz asked his "survey group" who thought Paul won the debate ... NONE of them said Paul ... Paul may or may not have "won" the debate, but again, you would think that if it was a "random" group there would be at least ONE Paul supporter there ...

3) The above highlights how pathetic this crew is at this point, where they had to gerryrig a "sample voters" group in a childishly obvious display of propoganda ... Christ sakes, THIS is what the republican party has followed to ... Hillary this, Hillary that ...

Look, I don't want Hill for one simple reason ... The election will be a total bloodbath, particulary if it is Rudy ... And, her presidency, while good for the country from a policy standpoint, will be 8 years of raging hell from the Limbaugh/Hannities of the world ...

But, if she is going to win if she is the nominee ... She is tougher, by a good margin, than Gore or Kerry were, and will have the added bonus of following an undeniable disaster of republican rule ...

These people are living in their own little bubble ... They can hate her until their heads explode, but it ain't going to help them with the independents and moderates ... I think the biggest factor in the "not vote for Hillary" is what I just expressed, people don't want to deal with it ... But, as the polling increasinly indicates ... If it is her, when she matches up with whoever the R might be, people will make the decision between someone who is competent and half sane and someone who is pathetic talking points spouting moron ...

[sufrommich]

67. Bill Clinton is practically

a rock star in this country.They have been attacking both of them for years,in and out of office,and it's got them nothing,zip.Why would you imagine it would be any different with Hillary? Her popularity is going up,not down.The anti-Clinton diatribes will backfire,same as they always have.

[jenmito]

83. Yes, HE is, to Dems.., unlike Hillary.

The problem is he's not running AND the Repubs. would run over their own mothers to keep him from returning to the WH even as the spouse.

[sufrommich]

86. Did you even read my post?

Hillarys' poll numbers are going up!I don't care how much the republicans hate Clinton,they can't seem to convince the rest of the country to feel the same way.The more shrill they become,the higher she goes in the polls. It was the same way with Bill,it will be the same with Hillary.

[jenmito]

87. Yes I did...

But I don't believe her poll numbers will stay so high once people realize just how much the GOP WANTS us to make Hillary our nominee. It fits right into THEIR game plan. Stories are coming out about donations from non-existent people in China Town or people from non-existent addresses and the BAD memories will come back. We need change. She ain't it.

[alstephenson]

88. So......you speak for all the Repubs???

Wow.

[jenmito]

91. I don't speak for any Repubs. I'm just stating what I see in polls and

what I hear people say...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

92. Facts Not In Evidence

At this point, however, the former president is seen in favorable terms. Two-thirds of Americans said they approve of the job he did while he was in office -- virtually the reverse of President Bush's current approval rating, which stands at 33 percent. Clinton remains overwhelmingly popular among Democrats, and 63 percent of independents and even a THIRD of Republicans also gave him positive marks.





http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/03/AR2007100302036.html?hpid=topnews

[Mountainman]

My guess is that they are afraid she will win. And she won't be so easy to stick it to.

[liberal N proud]

5. As opposed the paradise we are living now under the bu$h regime?

They live in a very warped world.


Remember they believe that war is peace and the the rapture must happen on their watch.

[grasswire]

6. where did you see that?

What show?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

7. Fox post-debate show

[John Q. Citizen]

8. Oh that Hillary were about socialism.....

It's interesting.

During the Clinton administration, the Repos were of course all over Clinton, but the things they were upset about were never the same things i was upset about.

Not this again!

[yurbud]

9. I wouldn't say anyone has forgotten 9/11. They just see the GOP milking terrorism rather than try

to end it.

[ginchinchili]

11. You obviously live in a blue state.

I'm genuinely glad for you. However, not all people who dislike Hillary are as you describe them. In fact, I don't know any like that. Then some of us just don't want her to be the nominee and to many of us it's people like yourself who better fit your description.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

13. Back at you. I find you to be one of the most comical serial liars and hysterics on DU

C'est la vie.

Off to ignore land

[Skittles]

29. LOL

:thumbsup:

[BootinUp]

14. He was talking about a Repuke focus group. n/t

[mwb970]

15. *I* was certainly alarmed by that group.

Every single attack on Hillary sent their little dialer-gadgets through the roof, no matter what the attack was even about. They have some kind of bug up their butt about her and it just ain't going away.

But the most amazing of all was the guy you mention who remembers the "hell" we went through with Bill Clinton. I'm used to insane statements from right-wing wackos (aren't we all, aren't we all) but that one had my jaw on the floor. Apparently the guy couldn't hear me, but I was yelling at the TV, "22 million new jobs! A successful Balkan war fought and won without spending American money and with no loss of American lives! International respect! Record low poverty! Record high wages! Four years of budget surpluses!"

I'm sorry, but that guy is a delusional idiot. What kind of "hell" was this? And what does he think we are going through now, for Chrissakes? An endless war bush started for no reason! Spiraling debt! America hated around the world! More terrorism than ever! 9/11 warnings ignored! Widespread job losses and foreclosures! Katrina! Lies, crime, and perversion permeating the Republican party! To me, this is "hell".

P.S. Bill Clinton's approval rating is now around 70%, about where it was the day he was impeached by the right wing for no discernible reason. Right now bush's approval rating is 24% and diving, and we cannot even consider impeaching him, for no discernible reason. This is crazy!

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

18. It's better when they are like that... like during impeachment

When they play ay being "reasonable" the centrists lap it up, but when they drop the mask (like during impeachment) centrists don't like it.

I am all for twisting the tiger's tail, because the tiger isn't the same as he was in 2002, but he will be the last to figure that out.

[sufrommich]

68. I think he was talking about the "hell" the Presidents'

naughty penis put us through. Which,as we all know, was some serious shit.:crazy:

[PurityOfEssence]

17. Just because disturbed people don't like her doesn't mean all who dislike her are disturbed

Sure, there are raving reactionaries in veritable convulsions and there are bolsheviks chanting on cue doesn't mean everyone who dislikes her is some easily marginalized lunatic.

What's REALLY notable is the sheer number of people from different persuasions who have such dislike for her. At some point, hopefully some of her partisans will wake up and realize that it's not just some few agitators and freaks but that it's a vast every-wing non-conspiracy.

There's this tiresome righteousness that huffs and snorts that this shouldn't be so or really isn't so, but regardless of fairness or whatever IT'S SO. It's not just so-so so, IT'S REALLY SO.

Can this be surmounted? Perhaps, but is it worth it to risk so much on someone who's so--to put it politely--decidedly marginal?

The insanity isn't so much from all the people who are against her, it's from those who are for her who refuse to accept reality.

[ruggerson]

33. How do you get that she is marginal

you're bright enough not to be one of these "poll conspiracists," so let's start with the premise that the overwhelming majority of Democrats feel positively about her and a slimmer majority currently want her as the nominee.

How is that marginal? Doesn't that make everyone who is polling far below her even more marginal?

[cuke]

47. POW is as delusional as the rest

aside from a larger vocabulary, there's no difference. Look at POE's argument - basically, it boils down to "She's not really that popular". POE is just a step above "I don't know anyone who is voting for Hillary"

[Colobo]

24. Obama can unify the country, and he will.

That's the bottom line.

[mwb970]

25. That picture looks like people dancing in Second Life. /nt

[ruggerson]

34. He's doing a great job of unifying many gays and lesbians

but not in the way he intended.

[Catherine Vincent]

26. I have always called the Clinton haters as rabid.

And I'm correct.:)

[ruggerson]

31. Exactly

the visceral hatred of Hillary would energize Democrats and many Independents unlike anything we've ever seen. A Hillary/Giuliani or Hillary/Romney contest will have Republicans literally sputtering with incomrehensible, very alarming, off putting rage.

[cuke]

48. The funny thing is. when Rove badmouthed her, he was helping her

build a backlash from Dems, who would be offended that Rove spoke badly of a Dem. Accoding to the haters, it was a sign that Rove was trying to help Hillary

But when it comes to all those repukes coming out to vote against her on Election Day, the haters forget about the dem backlash.

[MonkeyFunk]

42. Heheh

he's a freeper. surprise suprise...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1914464/posts

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

44. Good catch. He also dismisses all polls... so there's hope for Freep/DU solidarity

This guy must read DU...

"Luntz definitely told us through his polling and research that as of today Hillary Clinton will win in a landslide. He was putting all of his money on her. He said Republicans are too disorganized and the focus group proved that.

I said you are going to go broke.

...I said if you want to see motivation and organization? Put Hillary Clinton against any Republican and you will see Republicans vote like you have never seen before, the alternative is too grave. Whether we can stand it or not Republicans will do everything in their power to elect anyone else but Clinton.

You saw my exchange later on saying we have long memories and do not want to live through that hell again."

[cuke]

50. Bwahaha! The freeper is using a DU argument

[truebrit71]

43. HRC will lose precisely BECAUSE she creates this visceral level of hatred...

...the right-wing nuts will come out in DROVES to vote against her...Failure of the Triumphalists to accept this obvious truth is yet ANOTHER reason not to listen to their drivel...

She might be a really nice lady, she might cook up a mean chili, but she inspires hatred more than ANY other candidate and will motivate the right-wing to vote for ANY gop'er if it is a chance to beat a Clinton...

[MonkeyFunk]

45. Yeah

let's nominate somebody they really like :eyes:


They'll hate whomever we nominate. but there's not THAT many blind Hillary-haters out there. Just some on freerepublic and a few here. The rest of the country isn't driven by hate.

[truebrit71]

53. No, let's nominate someone that can win...

...i'll give you a hint..it AIN'T HRC...

[MonkeyFunk]

54. absurd

she's beating every Republican in the polls right now.

Not only CAN she win, if she's the nominee she WILL win.

The notion that we should let Republicans pick our nominee is just stupid.

[truebrit71]

59. Nice try but that's not what I am suggesting...

..We need to nominate someone that can win...HRC isn't the one...

[MonkeyFunk]

70. and that's an opinion, not a fact

and an uninformed opinion, too.

[truebrit71]

72. Anyone with a Pelosi avatar needs to get informed too...

...No wonder you like HRC... :puke:

[MonkeyFunk]

74. That's an argument?

How sad.

[truebrit71]

76. Yeah...you're brave leaders have benefitted us all soooooooo much...

...:eyes:

[MonkeyFunk]

78. OK

you've shown that you're just incapable of actually providing an argument.

Have a rocking day.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

79. Can I Use That Line?

DSB

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

46. Does it give you any pause that some of the dumbest people on Earth subscribe to that view?

I am not saying you are dumb. No theory is wrong just because some dumb people subscribe to it. But looking at those who agree with the theory most strongly suggests some skepticism might be in order.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1914464/posts

"Luntz definitely told us through his polling and research that as of today Hillary Clinton will win in a landslide. He was putting all of his money on her. He said Republicans are too disorganized and the focus group proved that.

I said you are going to go broke.

...I said if you want to see motivation and organization? Put Hillary Clinton against any Republican and you will see Republicans vote like you have never seen before, the alternative is too grave. Whether we can stand it or not Republicans will do everything in their power to elect anyone else but Clinton.

You saw my exchange later on saying we have long memories and do not want to live through that hell again."

[truebrit71]

52. No, after all we're talking about republicans here...

...but NO-ONE motivates the right-wing hate-machine more than Hillary...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. There Are A Lot More Democrats Than Rethuglicans So You Point Is Moot

If all the Pugs vote against her and all the Dems vote for her she wins, as long as she splits the Indys...It's math...

[Dawgs]

75. Why would you think all of the Dems would vote for her?

At least 20% are scared to death of her getting nominated.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

80. And Your Evidence For That Is

Wait , you don't have any...

But Dems are more confident of her winning than they are of Senator Obama:


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/most_electable_democratic_candidate

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. An No One Is Better Than Kicking Their Collective Asses Than The Clintons

DSB

[Dawgs]

77. You're basing this on what?

Clinton's presidency gave us 12 years of a Republican Congress, and eight years with a moron for a President.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

85. I Didn't Know He's Responsible For What Happens When His Tenure Was Over

If not for the 22nd Amendment Bush* would probably be in the private sector...

[wyldwolf]

90. "Clinton's presidency gave us 12 years of a Republican Congress" No it didn't.

:shrug:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. .

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. This Polarization Is Nothing New

There were parts of this nation where the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers and Dr. King were met with applause...The suggestion that if we just nominate the right person we will all get together and sing Kumbaya is fanciful at best , disingenuous at worst...

[LanternWaste]

51. that's a Hell I can live with.

And what a Hell it was-- gas less than a dollar a gallon, the stock market breaking record highs every other day, full employment, valid international diplomacy... that's a Hell I can live with.

[Radical Activist]

61. I think the same thing would happen with Obama.

The racism would rise to the surface and turn a lot of people off.

[tridim]

62. Is there a YouTube of this video out there?

I saw part of it last night and it was obvious to me that the responses were scripted. Probably written by the RNC.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

66. Fox might have video online.

[robinlynne]

82. I WISH HIllary were a socialist!

[Arugula Latte]

84. I know! If we get stuck with her, she'll be called a far-left liberal (we wish)

when in fact she's just a corporate shill.

[robinlynne]

89. If she were a socialist, I would vote for her.