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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:24 AM
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I am worried about this 11% approval rating.
Obviously we want change and it is not being delivered to us. Obviously that is what is behind that number, but this number strengthens Republicans.

The last thing we want is another 4 years of a Republican in the White House. That could happen if we don't have it together.

To some extent we have to trust that the Democrats know what they're doing. I am as frustrated as anyone, and grow more so every time I hear Bush speak. If we don't have the Democrats, we're fucked. There's no way around that. There's nowhere else to go.

How do we fix this?
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:26 AM
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1. with better democrats.
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:28 AM
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5. This is exactly the attitude that scares me. (n/t)
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:26 AM
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2. Don't be fooled ... the number doesn't break out Dems
None of us approve of Congress in its current configuration, but the best measure now is the generic D v R matchup and on nearly every topic, our side prevails.
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:28 AM
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6. Could you elaborate? (n/t)
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:43 AM
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16. I can
Generic Congressional Ballot
Democrats 48% Republicans 36%

...if the Congressional Election were held today, 48% of American voters say they would vote for the Democrat in their district and 36% would opt for the Republican. While that’s a bit closer than last month’s 18-point advantage for the Democrats, it’s the third straight month Nancy Pelosi’s Party has enjoyed a double-digit lead.

While Democrats lead among all age groups, their biggest advantage remains among the young. Among those under 30, Democrats lead by a 62% to 30% margin. They also have a five-point edge among white voters along with an enormous lead among minority voters.

The 48% support this month and 50% support last month have been the highest levels enjoyed by the Democrats this year. Prior to reaching these past two months, support for Democrats had stayed in the 45% to 47% range for six consecutive monthly surveys.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/generic_congressional_ballot__1


Trust on Issues
Corruption, Economy, Security Are Top Issues to Most Voters; And They Still Trust Democrats More

...voters trust Democrats more (40%) than Republicans (28%) to deal with corruption. Thirty-one percent (31%) state no partisan preference, however—the highest abstention rate on any issue we surveyed.

<snip>

Health Care currently tops headlines as Hillary Clinton rolls out her latest national health care plan, and Democrats have the edge here 51% to 35%—a bigger advantage than they have on any other issue. Our tracking poll finds that it's Very Important to 67% of voters.

<snip>

Democrats easily gain wider trust on the Economy (48% to 36%). But they are essentially tied with the GOP on National Security (44% to 43%). In August it was Republicans with a wafer-thin edge on National Security.

Over the last few years the Republicans have lost their historic advantage on National Security. Confidence that the U.S. and its allies are winning the War on Terror has also declined during this period.

On the War in Iraq, the welling unpopularity of which has hurt Republicans more than Democrats, the latter are more-trusted by 49%, Republicans by 38%. The issue is Very Important to 62% of all voters.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trust_on_issues
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:35 AM
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11. Put up a poll here at DU ... Congress will get 0 % approval
But here's an excerpt that should give you hope

Americans said Democrats would do a better job dealing with Iraq, gasoline prices, immigration, taxes, prescription drug prices and civil liberties.

Fifty percent said Democrats came closer than Republicans to sharing their moral values, compared with 37 percent who said Republicans shared their values. A majority said Republican members of Congress were more likely to be financially corrupt than Democratic members of Congress, suggesting that Democrats may be making headway in their efforts to portray Republicans as having created a "culture of corruption" in Washington.

By better than two to one, Democrats were seen as having more new ideas than Republicans. And half of respondents, the highest number yet, said it was better when different parties controlled the two branches of Congress, reflecting one of the major arguments being laid out by Congressional Democrats in their bid to win back the House or the Senate.

Americans said that Republicans would be better at maintaining a stronger military than Democrats. But the Republicans had only a slight edge on combating terrorism, an issue that has helped account for the party's political dominance since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/09/washington/09cnd-poll.html?ex=1304827200&en=18e5d74f32418c45&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:40 AM
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14. Thanks. I hope you're right.
I heard sound bites of Bush ranting about Iran and WWIII, lying about using his veto, and spewing other nonsense about how he's still relevant and I am progressing from frustration to panic.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:28 AM
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3. All politics is local. People like their own reps and dislike the others. Nothing new.
A better indicator is the rankings for the individual members of Congress. Many of them are available here: http://surveyusa.com/50StateTracking.html
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:52 AM
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20. Correct... people in Tennessee hate Kennedy, while people
in Massachusetts hate Alexander.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:54 AM
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22. It obviously doesn't hold true for everyone.
But, on average, individual ratings are significantly higher than the overall rating for Congress. Much, much higher.

As much as they claim otherwise, people simply like to be pandered to, and the only Congresspeople pandering to "me" are usually my own.

So, they're doing a good job, and the rest are just pandering to the wrong crowd.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:28 AM
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4. we did to vote in more dems and we need them to listen to us.
we supported them in Nov 2006, now they need to support us, why are they there??? to blindy follow this jerk * and Cheney, cause both the Repigs and the Dems are going down.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:29 AM
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7. They have the majority and they're still losers. People hate that!
We need to change leadership. I'm tired of the excuses.
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:34 AM
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10. I'm sick and tired of Republicans, period.
I'm tired of their wars. I'm tired of their sabre rattling. I'm tired of the phony economic theories. I'm tired of their third rate philosophies and their ideological bromides. I'm tired of their insipid radio talk show hosts. I'm tired of their smearing and their lies. I'm tired of their incompetence. I'm tired of their poor judgment.

There's only one way out, and it's through the Democrats.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 12:28 PM
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35. I'm sick and tired of them too. I want leaders that can win!
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:31 AM
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8. To some extent we have to trust that the Democrats know what they're doing.
Are you serious? what ever gave you the silly idea that the Democrats know what they're doing? They're caving on the new FISA bill by granting the telecoms immunity for breaking the law, just because they "thought" they were doing the right thing!

At this point it doesn't seem to make a difference, either way we're fucked!!!!!!


How do we fix it, maybe the same way the Founders fixed their problem!!!!

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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:38 AM
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12. The same way the Founders fixed their problem?
I wasn't aware that the British were still taxing our tea.

No, what you're suggesting is not a good idea.
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:39 AM
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13. Suggesting armed revolution is generally frowned-upon. nt
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:41 AM
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15. Frowned upon?
Do you want another Civil War? You think Iraq is bad? How would you like to have that in your backyard, and your front yard?
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:47 AM
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17. ...is that directed at me?
Do you think that by saying "we disapprove of talk of armed revolution," that I was somehow endorsing it? I'm confused.
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:55 AM
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23. Sorry. No. It was supposed to be directed at the poster you responded to.
My error. I agree with you. :P
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 11:00 AM
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26. Oh, wait. It was directed at you, but. . . .
I was agreeing and suggesting that perhaps your statement was an understatement.

I could have been more clear though.
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 11:02 AM
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27. Ah, I see.
Thanks for the clarification.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:50 AM
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18. Yes, the power political elites, both sides of the aisles: calling the shots & controlling the M$M
WE. ARE. FUCKED.

*until large numbers of Americans begin to "hurt, and hurt bad" in their pocketbooks. :(
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 11:47 AM
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32. That is happening now...
Large numbers of Americans are hurting bad. The problem is many just don't vote. Here is a thread I posted on this subject not too long ago:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3486739

"poor are politically mute...What rational politician would listen to the poor? They don’t vote..."

So sad, but so true. If you read this you may or may not be shocked at the reasons attributed to being poor, I was!! Conservatives blame government (welfare) and personal failings (lack of discipline). If only it was that simple, but they have no idea of what causes a person or family to fall into poverty and what keeps them there. All I know is that it is way more complicated than that.

Over the past two decades, America has had the highest or near-highest poverty rates for children, individual adults and families among 31 developed countries, according to the Luxembourg Income Study, a 23-year project that compares poverty and income data from 31 industrial nations. To me, this is inexcusable, and the worst part is that the government doesn't seem to care. The right, to the degree that it pays any attention to the issue at all,...represents a failure of government meddling, not a mandate for more of it. Now I know there are those that do care, but not enough to attempt an answer. This entire situation is reprehensible. Read on and see if you are as shocked as I am.
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On Poverty, Maybe We're All Wrong
By Steven Pearlstein
Wednesday, August 29, 2007
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

<<snip>>

The left expresses moral outrage -- in the richest country the world has ever known, one in every eight residents still lives in poverty -- and calls for government to do something about it.

The right, to the degree that it pays any attention to the issue at all, notes that while the poverty rate goes up and down with the economic cycle, it has remained relatively stable over the past 35 years and, in any case, represents a failure of government meddling, not a mandate for more of it.

<<snip>>

It is more than a bit disingenuous for liberals to push for worthwhile programs like food stamps, housing vouchers, child tax credits and the earned income tax credit -- and then to constantly cite official income and poverty statistics that do not include the impact of food stamps, housing vouchers, child tax credits and the earned income tax credit.

<<snip>>

Much better, conservatives say, to do away with all those patronizing and inefficient social welfare schemes that create perverse incentives and "empower" the poor to act in their own best interest using the same traditional market mechanisms as everyone else.

The best refutation of this argument that I've seen in a long time is contained in a new book, "The Persistence of Poverty," by a friend of mine, Charles "Buddy" Karelis, a professor at George Washington University. Karelis isn't an economist or social welfare expert but a philosopher by profession with wide-ranging curiosity, a dry wit and a weakness for unconventional wisdom. And after doing lots of reading and giving it extensive thought, Karelis concluded that the reason some people are perpetually poor is that they don't have enough money.

<<snip>>

The reason the poor are poor is that they are more likely to not finish school, not work, not save, and get hooked on drugs and alcohol and run afoul of the law. Liberals tend to blame it on history (slavery) or lack of opportunity (poor schools, discrimination), while conservatives blame government (welfare) and personal failings (lack of discipline), but both sides agree that these behaviors are so contrary to self-interest that they must be irrational.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted on Tue, Aug. 28, 2007 10:10 AM
U.S. poverty rate drops; Kansas sees increase in household income
The Associated Press
http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/2502...

<<snip>>

The poverty level is the official measure used to decide eligibility for federal health, housing, nutrition and child care benefits. It differs by family size and makeup. For a family of four with two children, for example, the poverty level is $20,444. The poverty rate — the percentage of people living below poverty — helps shape the debate on the health of the nation’s economy.

<<snip>>

Poverty has not been a big issue in the campaign, and political scientists said they doubted the new numbers would change that.

“The poor are politically mute,” said Larry Jacobs, a political scientist at the University of Minnesota. “What rational politician would listen to the poor? They don’t vote, they don’t write checks, why care?”

<<snip>>

“For three decades we have had an economy where workers with a high school diploma or less have hardly kept up with inflation,” Danziger said.

Low-wage workers have been hurt by the nation’s declining manufacturing sector, which has lost more than 3 million jobs since Bush took office.
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Many Americans are falling deeper into depths of poverty
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/20035...

Over the past two decades, America has had the highest or near-highest poverty rates for children, individual adults and families among 31 developed countries, according to the Luxembourg Income Study, a 23-year project that compares poverty and income data from 31 industrial nations.

With the exception of Mexico and Russia, the U.S. devotes the smallest portion of its gross domestic product to federal anti-poverty programs, and those programs are among the least effective at reducing poverty, the study found. Again, only Russia and Mexico do worse jobs.

One in three Americans will experience a full year of extreme poverty at some point in his or her adult life, according to long-term research by Mark Rank, a professor of social welfare at Washington University in St. Louis.

An estimated 58 percent of Americans between the ages of 20 and 75 will spend at least a year in poverty, Rank said. Two of three will use a public-assistance program between ages 20 and 65, and 40 percent will do so for five years or more.

These estimates don't include illegal immigrants. Rank said if illegal immigrants were factored in, the numbers would be worse.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:50 AM
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19. This FISA cave is one of the all time worst moves in history. I don't believe this
is happening. I hate all their back-door negotiations with republicans.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:53 AM
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21. Hey, it's all "a waltz" for millionaire representatives who NEVER have to worry where the next
Edited on Thu Oct-18-07 10:54 AM by ShortnFiery
meal is coming from NOR be "forced" to sacrifice their child's life for The Military Industrial Complex. Hell, they are political ROYALTY so they don't "pay to play" ... in fact, they scamper over to the D.C. elite bars ... go for cocktails and joke about "us stupid chattering classes" at the end of their four day week. :(
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:56 AM
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24. "the same way the Founders fixed their problem"
By owning slaves and denying women the right to vote? How is that going to help?

Perhaps you would like to be a little more specific.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 12:29 PM
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36. BRAVO!
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:31 AM
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9. Congressional approval ratings are meaningless. If you were unaware,
Edited on Thu Oct-18-07 10:32 AM by Rhythm and Blue
Congress is half Republican and half Democratic. Many people wish Congress would pass more liberal legislation. Many people think they're passing too much liberal legislation. Many people are sick of partisanship and think "to hell with all of them." That number doesn't help Republicans or Democrats.

If you want to see how we're actually doing, look at the "Who do you trust more on issue X" polls and the generic Dem vs Pub matchups.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 10:59 AM
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25. This Disapproval Of The Congess, Sir
Is mostly focused on the obstructionism of the Republicans it still contains, and by the general attitude of genial contempt for the routines and character of the institution itself among our people, that is old as the Republic itself. The fact is that the margins are too narrow, so long as the enemy hangs together in his accustommed style, and we continue to indulge our penchant for faction and fratricide.
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 11:03 AM
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28. Of course but some of it does seem to be directed against Democrats.
And that's what worries me.

The problem is our president, and the bozos the Republicans are fielding don't leave me with a good feeling.

On the other hand I could live with any of the Democratic candidates, assuming they would live up to my expectations (based on what I know of their positions).
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 11:08 AM
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29. It Is Certainly True, Sir, That Many People Want More Done
But most do recognize the limits an obstructive minority imposes.

In terms of party identification, and of which party is felt to be best for handling the present circumstances, the Democrats fare far, far better than do the Republicans.
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 11:11 AM
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30. DUers are starting to sound like the Bush apologists.
March in lockstep or you are helping the enemy.

But "the enemy" doesn't scare me as much as "the enemy within".


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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 11:28 AM
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31. Actually, with all due respect, I think your post reminds me more of Bush apologists.
Rightists are rightists because they don't trust the masses and want to vest power in a natural aristocracy of some sort. Rightists don't believe that people can come together, find their common ground, and govern themselves effectively. They eschew the whole process and sneer at the rabble.

I am not looking for lockstep. I am looking for common ground and to work out the rest of it with rational, democratic processes.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 11:49 AM
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33. When has congress ever had a great approval rating?
Except in times of a national emergency, I doubt congress ever even approaches 40% approval with the American public.

There ARE things to worry about, this isn't one of them.
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hijinx87 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 11:54 AM
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34. even with the low approval rating

2008 still looks like it should be a substantial gain. it's all about
flipping seats, and republican senators and representatives are retiring
in droves. open seats are frequently up for grabs, and we should be able
to flip a fair number even with crappy approval numbers.

I guess the moral of the story is, "if you have to have a low approval
rating in congress, try to do it when the other side is utterly demoralized".


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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 12:32 PM
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37. I used to be concerned about the overall congressional approval rating until...
Edited on Thu Oct-18-07 12:33 PM by LoZoccolo
...I learned that people actually feel much better about their own congresspeople, and give them a higher approval rating.
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