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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 07:35 AM
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All the "Conspiracy Theories" About George W. Bush have come true
In the actual article there are numerous links to his sources:

All the "Conspiracy Theories" About George W. Bush have come true

In the wake of 911, you could count critics of George W. Bush on one hand. Three courageous exceptions to the climate of fear are notable: Gore Vidal (The Enemy Within), Rep. Cynthia McKinney and, somewhat later, Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer who proclaimed August 15, 2005 that the 9/11 committee investigation was either a cover up or a cover story. Shaffer charged that his unit had warned the FBI about "terrorist cells" but was ignored.

"There is only one politically serious explanation of this now-indisputable fact: powerful forces within the US military/intelligence complex wanted a terrorist incident on US soil in order to create the needed shift in public opinion required to embark on a long-planned campaign of military intervention in Central Asia and the Middle East. Whether or not they knew the scale of the impending attacks and what the precise targets would be, they acted in such a way as to block the arrest of known terrorist operatives and allow them to carry out their plot."
--Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, Army intelligence officer

In August of 2005, the New York Times, at last, revealed that military intelligence had identified four of the alleged hijackers. They were said to have been Al Qaeda operatives "...working in the US a year before the 9/11 attacks." This should have set off alarm bells but didn't. After all, the CIA created al Qaeda. I would like to know: when did al Qaeda cease being anything other than the "dirty tricks" arm of the CIA? I also want to know why the Military's Special Operations Command prevented an intelligence unit from passing on that information to the FBI.

The best answer is that the new Bush administration, partner to the oil industry, wanted to build a pipeline through Afghanistan and needed a little war to "enhance" the negotiations. Just months before 911, US State Department officials had offered the Taliban a deal: " ...a carpet of gold or a carpet of bombs"! Gore Vidal takes up the narrative, making the only case that makes sense.
On 9 September 2001, Bush was presented with a draft of a national security presidential directive outlining a global campaign of military, diplomatic and intelligence action targeting al-Qaeda, buttressed by the threat of war. According to NBC News: 'President Bush was expected to sign detailed plans for a worldwide war against al-Qaeda ... but did not have the chance before the terrorist attacks ... The directive, as described to NBC News, was essentially the same war plan as the one put into action after 11 September. The administration most likely was able to respond so quickly ... because it simply had to pull the plans "off the shelf".'

Finally, BBC News, 18 September 2001: `Niak Naik, a former Pakistan foreign secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October. It was Naik's view that Washington would not drop its war for Afghanistan even if bin Laden were to be surrendered immediately by the Taliban.'

Was Afghanistan then turned to rubble in order to avenge the 3,000 Americans slaughtered by Osama? Hardly. The administration is convinced that Americans are so simple-minded that they can deal with no scenario more complex than the venerable lone, crazed killer (this time with zombie helpers) who does evil just for the fun of it 'cause he hates us, 'cause we're rich'n free 'n he's not. Osama was chosen on aesthetic grounds to be the most frightening logo for our long contemplated invasion and conquest of Afghanistan, planning for which had been 'contingency' some years before 9/11 and, again, from 20 December, 2000, when Clinton's out-going team devised a plan to strike at al-Qaeda in retaliation for the assault on the warship Cole. Clinton's National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger, personally briefed his successor on the plan but Rice, still very much in her role as director of Chevron-Texaco, with special duties regarding Pakistan and Uzbekistan, now denies any such briefing. A year and a half later (12 August, 2002), fearless Time magazine reported this odd memory lapse.

...Osama, if it was he and not a nation, simply provided the necessary shock to put in train a war of conquest. But conquest of what? What is there in dismal dry sandy Afghanistan worth conquering? Zbigniew Brzezinski tells us exactly what in a 1997 Council on Foreign Relations study called The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and its Geostrategic Imperatives.
But it was not only sand and strategy. It was oil. As Vidal points out, the "American Empire" has been at war since 1950. The historical precedents are legion. The Roman Empire, stretched to the limits of current technology, was hooked on conquest and booty as the US is hooked on oil. By the time the Praetorian Guard auctioned off the empire to Didius Julianus, Roman currency had already collapsed. Today --the US dollar has already embarked upon a steady decline to the detriment of working folk who are now increasingly dependent upon increasingly expensive imports. Bush is content to let the dollar slide, in effect, correcting the balance of trade deficit upon the backs of American workers.

Analogies to Rome are instructive. It's easier to be objective about evil empires of the past than about evil empires in which we live here and now. Writing history while living it is a tough, dirty job but somebody's gotta do it. Maureen Farrell has done an exceptional job of "fixing" and summarizing what will one day be a multi-volume chronicle of how a slow witted albeit sadistic simpleton left the "intellectuals" of the loyal opposition non-plused and flatfooted. The rest of us are merely screwed! A final volume cannot be written yet. It will prove to be the chronicle of one of the most heinous and criminal regimes in world history --that of George W. Bush and a gang of arrogant Neocons.

Following are excerpts from Top 10 'Conspiracy Theories' about George W. Bush, Part 1; Part II
In the aftermath of Sept. 11, a friend sent me an obscure book featuring predictions by a blind Native American shaman. It was a thoughtful, but annoying, gesture. For all I knew, this "seer" could merely be a James Frey-sized figment of the author's imagination and these so-called prophecies could be nothing more than a patchwork of hunches. A prediction that the Red Sox would win the World Series would have been impressive. But wars? Economic downturns? Environmental disasters? Yawn.

This was the age of forged Nostradamus quotes and apocalyptic visions, however, and, with debunking in mind, I plodded ahead. Some predictions, which were reportedly made in 1982, were decidedly silly. Others, however, don't exactly ring foolish. Among the more noteworthy:
Propaganda and terrorism will increase. Religious zealots will use the courts to try to force their views upon the general public.

The Supreme Court will make unfortunate decisions that don't benefit the people.

Several undeclared wars will be waged simultaneously.

There will be high-level secrecy and clandestine agreements between nations.

America will eventually become a police state.

The draft will be reinstated.
Americans will learn of government duplicity and cover-ups.


Whether or not this list is the result of guesswork, fabrications or something else, nearly a quarter of a century later, such musings have gone from the fringe to the forefront. Police state predictions? Check. Rumors of wars? Check. Clandestine agreements between nations? Check. Discoveries of government duplicity and cover-ups? Triple check.

The American right wing in cahoots with the big corporations have bent America over and screwed her silly. This pack of liars and crooks partnered with Ronald Reagan to outsource the very soul of this country. They waged war on all working Americans and small business. They conspired to create a corporate, fascist state. They conspired to destroy the labor movement. They divided the nation into haves and have nots. They stole the American air waves and gave it to the likes of Clear Channel, FOX, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. With help from the right wing media, they divided the nation along religious lines, rewarding fundamentalism with your tax dollars.

They built up an empire and called it a "war on terrorism" but, in fact, they made terrorism worse . In fact, the "war on terrorism" is a bloody fraud, terrorism is worse and former friends and allies now despise us.

They outsourced your job! They devalued the dollar. They created an America propped up by a world which cannot afford not to prop up the US economy. They have proven that they care nothing about global warming, and, in fact, deny science, reason and free enquiry. They destroyed, perhaps forever, the integrity of the electoral process.

Maureen Farrell counts down from ten to one a list of Bush's outrages all of which are consistent with the fact that George W. Bush seized the White House at the end of a fraudulent elecction in order to do all of the things that he has done in fact. Primarily, he replaced the US Constitution with rule by decree. He has suspended habeaus corpus, due process of law and the protections of the Bill of Rights. He has ended the right of privacy along with the Fourth Amendment right to be safe and secure in our own homes. Our private records are no longer ours --but the state's. We are surveilled outside our homes and our phone conversations are now public property. If we are but deemed a "terrorist", we can be imprisoned indefinitely and anonymously. You don't get a phone call. You don't get a lawyer. You don't get a presumption of innocence. Everything you saw on Perry Mason is by the boards.

Some theories, however, have Tina Turner-strength legs. For your consideration:

10. A Second Terror Attack Will Allow the Bush Administration to Complete the "Coup" that Began on Sept. 11, 2001 "September 11, 2001, played into neoconservative hands exactly as the 1933 Reichstag fire played into Hitler's hands. Fear, hysteria, and national emergency are proven tools of political power grabs. Now that the federal court are beginning to show some resistance to Bush's claims of power, will another terrorist attack allow the Bush administration to complete its coup?"

-- Former Reagan administration official and Wall Street Journal and National Review assistant editor Paul Craig Roberts, Jan. 2, 2006

"The 9-11 attacks provided the rationale for what amounts to a Bush family coup against the Constitution."

-- James Ridgeway, The Village Voice, Dec. 30, 2005

Six years ago, anyone suggesting that the Bush administration would use terror to achieve pre-packaged goals would have been laughed out of Dodge. The signs were there, however, going all the way back to Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld's stints in the Ford administration through their participation in Reagan-era Doomsday drills.

Initially, there were vague murmurings over foreign airways. "There is a hidden agenda at the very highest levels of our government," a mysterious American told the BBC in Nov. 2001, regarding allegations that the FBI was told to "back off" the bin Ladens. "Unnamed sources" eventually morphed into real people, however, and by the time Pentagon insider Karen Kwiatkowski came forward with revelations about what she called "a coup, a hijacking of the Pentagon," and respected journalist Seymour Hersh proclaimed that "cultists" had "taken the government over," this theory gained traction.

Despite attempts to discredit true believers as "full-mooners," revelations continued. And now that a former Bush administration official is saying that a "cabal" led by Rumsfeld and Cheney "hijacked US foreign policy" and a former Reagan administration official is saying that America is now an "incipient dictatorship," the ideology of Loon Land is capital T Truth to some very smart people.

Gen. Tommy Franks, you might recall, famously predicted that another terror attack will militarize our society and obliterate the Constitution, former White House counsel John Dean has warned of "constitutional dictatorship" and Paul Craig Roberts has openly wondered if another terror attack will lead to a total usurpation of constitutional government and "allow the Bush administration to complete its coup."

Roberts, who served as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under President Ronald Reagan, also believes that a "Jacobin coup" took place after Sept. 11 and that a "police state" is fast approaching. Joining the host of others raising concerns about questionable elections and a Supreme Court poised to give the executive branch unprecedented power, he sees "America's descent into dictatorship" as the "result of historical developments and of old political battles." But, he also contends that President Bush "is unlikely to be aware that the Constitution is experiencing its final rending on his watch."

Others are not so certain.

--Maureen Farrell, Part II
There is sufficient probable cause to arrest and charge George W. Bush for war crimes, crimes against humanity, and crimes against the peace. I would suspect that there is now enough evidence, in the public record alone, to indict and convict George W. Bush of numerous counts to include violations of both the Geneva convention and US criminal codes. In Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, the United States Supreme Court ruled that George W. Bush exceeded his authority. Neither the Congressional Authorization for the Use of Military Force, the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), nor the so-called inherent powers give Bush a legal authority to set up military tribunals at Guantanamo.

Hamden v Rumsfeld addressed the question of whether the United States Congress may pass legislation preventing the Supreme Court from hearing the case of an accused combatant before his military commission takes place, whether the special military commissions that had been set up violated federal law (including the Uniform Code of Military Justice and treaty obligations), and whether courts can enforce the articles of the 1949 Geneva Convention.
"My friends, the government just didn't have prior knowledge of the September 11th al Qaeda attacks. They actually funded, trained, protected, coddled, and shepherded al Qaeda into this country. Trained many of the terrorists at Pensacola Naval Air Station, U.S.A., threatened F.B.I. and defense intelligence officers who tried to stop al Qaeda, threatened them with arrest. Bush signed now public document W199I two months before September 11, threatening them with arrest if they tried to stop al Qaeda."
--Alex Jones

If Bush's war on terrorism had been, in any way authentic, the FBI would not have been ordered to back off its investigations. The Saudi Royals would not have been given the royal and secret escort out of the country. Rather --they would have been investigated for their ties to Bin Laden. Likewise, WAMY --known to hage funded "terrorist" cells --would have been investigated. Then, why are we surprised that Bushco has utterly failed to score a single "victory" in his war on terrorism?

We should not be at all surprised because the war on terrorism is a fraud, a hoax perpetrated by the most criminal regime since Adolf Hitler. The "War on Terrorism" is but a cover for Bush's dark agenda --world conquest and domination. The Reichstag Fire simplified things for Adolf Hitler, who, like Bush, aspired to dictatorship. The Reichstag Fire turned out to have been one of the most convenient coincidences in history. Without it, Hitler most certainly could not have consolidated his power, having already lost three votes in the Reichstag.

"Code named Operation Northwoods, the plan, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war."

--James Bamford, Body Of Secrets, Doubleday, 2001, p.82.

Culprits are expected to benefit from their crimes --at least in the short term. But the attacks of 911 have been disastrous for Muslim communities everywhere. Every good prosecutor will ask "who benefits" from a crime. In this case, only The Project for the New American Century, Bush's "supportive" oil industry, and a hand full of cronies and thugs have benefited.

For too long, Bush thugs, brownshirts and bullies have tainted the atmosphere in the US, just as Hitler had done in Germany. For too long, Americans, often called the freest people in the world, feared to speak an honest opinion. They did not fear to be wrong. They feared the consequences of being right.
http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2007/10/all-conspiracy-theories-about-george-w.html
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:42 AM
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1. The Jacobites
"Roberts, who served as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under President Ronald Reagan, also believes that a "Jacobin coup" took place after Sept. 11 and that a "police state" is fast approaching."

It's a little bit different and a bit allegorical but I agree with his premise.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:22 PM
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20. Funny, Roberts and Alito would both be Knights of Malta
who enabled the set up of such a police state, since both rubberstamped Reagan-era Executive Orders that lead to the police state. See the list at

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/femaconcentrationcamplocations07sep05.shtml

The change is that FEMA camps would now be under the aegis of ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) jurisdiction. Both illegal immigrants and dissenters doing civil disobedience in expressing displeasure with governmental policies could be rounded up to a camp near you, see the state listings.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 04:21 PM
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24. There's only a few thousand worldwide
and half of them work for Junior's Administration.

Go figure.

It's pretty much a no-brainer.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:32 PM
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36. Sorry, you're referring to Paul Craig Roberts. I thought SCOTUS's Roberts. My bad !
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 05:59 AM
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37. Your point about the Knights is still valid.
and I think Junior is working for them, even though he plays pretend to hire them for positions within the Administration.
They gave Poppy an honorary Knighthood for all of his dirty work supporting the Dirty Wars in Latin America. Perhaps they will do the same for Junior.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:03 PM
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38. DoD OIG and now Blackwater's Joseph Schmitz is an SMOM
I wish I knew who all the others are.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 05:02 PM
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39. another couple.
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 05:09 PM by formercia
http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/nicholson-bio.html

http://oig.state.gov/about/c12822.htm

and his brother...

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/10_09_01_krongard.html


familiar names all

I'd bet more IG's are as well.

The deck was stacked from the git go.

This was not coincidental...
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 07:24 PM
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41. Thanks. Mindblowing about Krongard's CIA bro and the 9/11 options trading nt
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 05:58 AM
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42. I thought you would like that
They even knew which airlines....

makes you wonder how much else they knew.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:51 AM
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2. The question remains (and I have asked it before):
What can we do about it? Voting, becoming "active", protesting and non-violent opposition will not work. This criminal administration doesn't give two goddamns what you think and if you break one of its laws you can be beaten, tasered, shot, imprisoned or killed. And because you will be painted as the most heinous of criminals, no one will give a shit. Any large gathering will be monitored closely, if you remain peaceful, the cops will just beat-up a few people and the owned media will take care of the "news". If you become violent or in any way "dangerous", you could be killed or imprisoned - and the media will "handle" that, too. Traditional politics has been completely co-opted by the fascist regime. What is the answer?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:58 AM
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4. Don't feed the beast
Fascist regimes are very cash hungry because it costs a lot of money to support the security apparatus.
I can't tell you what to do but to deny your resources to those who feed the beast.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:05 AM
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6. The problem is that the corporations now have so much money
and so much power that the only way to stop them is with some sort of massive boycott on an unprecedented scale. How would such a thing be organized? And wouldn't that get you a visit from Blackwater in the dead of night?

If such a boycott can be done, I am in...
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:15 AM
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7. It can only be done by individual action
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 09:15 AM by formercia
otherwise it could be viewed a conspiracy, a crime.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 07:58 AM
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31. I agree with your solution..
that's the only thing I see standing in the way. I also agree with your conclusion about the consequences, one has to assume that sedition laws would be the next logical step.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 08:52 AM
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34. Yes, the working key to it all - cash. They have a precarious wall
Edited on Tue Oct-16-07 08:54 AM by higher class
to walk. They must steal more from us, but they can't stop the buying and entertainment or the corporations won't need to exist. We can't all be made into soldiers, our minds will give out. They can't hospitalize and imprison all of us, because that costs more money. They can't massacre all of us, the machinery and task forces will stop.

They desperately need to continue to fool us.

And who was put in charge of fooling us to start with? Probably the worst available - the gang of four - Misters Dick, George, Don, and Ms. Rice. Who will succeed them?

No longer a democracy, now a corpacracy, stockholder enablers are today's key.

With of the others - the Secret Societies, the Council Societies, the Banking Societies are all on the wall - which way to they descend - is their plan to ease us into subservient serfdom doable without crashing it all? Do they really think they could do it all without our seeing it before they succeeded?

Stockholders are the key. Will they have enough stockholders or do they not even need stockholders?

In all of this, I've never understood how all these cooperators are going to protect themselves - will it be the Baghdad way - fear, horror, apprehension, and exile countered by and reliant on madmen killers?

Yep, they face a constant need for cash.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 05:14 PM
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40. All their little minions that aren't already on the government dole
the private investigators, political operatives and all the other human cockroaches need to be fed and given a slice of the pie to keep them quiet.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 10:20 AM
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15. We're still in the initial phase of raising awareness to what would be obvious...
...were it not for the systematic cultural conditioning that successfully manipulates people into not perceiving reality for what it is. Perhaps it's a naive view, but I'm hopeful that over time, as more and more people awaken when the fairy tale version of America they were raised with clashes violently with them on a personal level, hence popping that bubble of propaganda they exist within, they'll begin to understand where their country is truly at, what it is and what it could be, and hopefully, from there, as you pointed out, with precious few options available to them, will begin to organize on a broader level. There aren't enough armed officials - or private mercenaries a la Blackwater, etc - to turn weapons on a substantial portion of nearly three-hundred million people.

I understand the futility you express though. The point is never to give up in your heart and soul. We can choose to strive step by step for a more open, tolerant, democratic society, or we can give in and say, well, there's just too many brainwashed and/or authoritarian people who will always enable the fascists and bullies, the world will be, at least until some inevitable catastrophe, an Orwellian nightmare where truth is propaganda for a majority. The people need to reclaim the airwaves: disinformation is crucial to what's happened/happening. People can't and won't react reasonably to something, including crimes of astounding proportions, if they're unaware of it.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:51 AM
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3. What a garbled mess.
Valid points mixed with nonsense. There's nothing remarkable about the predictions made in 1982. Reagan was, after all, comfortably ensonced in the White House. Many of the items of "prophesy" are simply common sense considering the time and frame from which they arose.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:59 AM
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5. You call bullshit on almost everybody
Your flower is a bit wilted.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:30 AM
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9. I'm calling bullshit on the article
not the poster. And as I almost always post examples and analysis when I call bullshit, you might try pointing to where you believe I'm wrong, instead of going for the not too snappy one liner.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:52 AM
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12. Before you get on line in the Morning
It might be better if you let your meds kick-in first.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 10:08 AM
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14. LOL.
the old "meds" personal attack: the last refuge of the unimaginative.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:28 PM
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23. These right wing Operations were anything BUT unimaginative, dear cali
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 08:20 AM
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33. Thank you... Needed to be said.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:47 AM
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11. Back in 1982 they were remarkable. They were met with ridicule.
Just like CT's are now.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:27 PM
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22. No, Ollie North's 'suspension of the Constitution' wasn't ridiculed it was met with gasps
At the breathtaking lengths these idiots (G Gordon Liddy types, "head shots, head shots") would go to. Operation Gemstone domestic madness from Watergate era. The Huston Plan the list goes on and on.
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:15 PM
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16. What a garbled mess? Where's the nonsense?
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:24 PM
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21. Rounding up dissenters ? Ops Garden Plot and Cable Splicer
are to be taken for granted ? Reagan was a fool but even rightwingnuts don't want to be rounded up.
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:16 AM
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8. The Onion had it all locked up when they "satirized" *'s stateof the union speech, and it all turned
out to be true....They were more prescient than we would ever have wanted them to be.

Bush: 'Our Long National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity Is Finally Over'
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784


also
Top 10 'Conspiracy Theories' about George W. Bush, Part 1
by Maureen Farrell
http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/06/02/far06001.html
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:42 AM
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10. CT's have a better record of prediction than anybody else.
Still they get no respect. Pussy cowards afraid of ridicule. If CT was a stock it would kick ass!
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:54 AM
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13. And I was thinking of having my Tin Foil Hat bronzed.
I better dust it off and put it back on.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:54 PM
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18. Wear it with pride! lol
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 04:35 PM
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25. Damn Right!!
I think i'll wear it proudly at a rakish angle.

We were right all along.

Unfortunately, it is worse than even I thought.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 06:27 AM
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26. And what is a conspiracy?
Edited on Tue Oct-16-07 06:27 AM by autorank
Several working together to achieve an end, in this case, a crime.

But the real distinctions is this:

Criminal acts - acceptable for discussion as long as they're not political or perceived that way;
one or several involved will do.

Conspiracies - criminal acts that are diminished to 'lone' something or others because they are
political; even though they're the acts of several (or more) collaborators.

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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 06:52 AM
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27. Good, obedient, professional, "normal" Americans know...
...that people in powerful positions of convergent interests, beholden to organizations and institutes which are largely unaccountable to the public and the public's best interests, never, ever conspire to carve the world up in their favor. Never happens. And those who believe in such CRAZY "theories" are delusional.

Stop and really think about that...and realize just how many have been instructed and convinced to actually believe it! And then ask: who benefits?
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:28 PM
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17. K & R & Bookmarked!
:tinfoilhat:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:13 PM
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19. Nixon's 1973 plans to seize Saudi oil fields morphed into Iraq
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 03:29 PM by EVDebs
Document reveals Nixon plan to seize Arab oil fields
'70s embargo sparked 'last resort' measure, says British memo

Lizette Alvarez, New York Times

Friday, January 2, 2004

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/01/02/MNG8G427D61.DTL

...and the article shows that the British believed the occupation had to last at least TEN years. Now we know why 'Permanent Bases' in Iraq are part of their planning. A long stay.

Furthermore, domestic spying a la Nixon, results in NSA pre9/11 'policy shifts' and spying on John Edwards et al

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2037996&mesg_id=2042304

translation, domestic progressive political enemies lists.

Times haven't really changed a bit. The sick bastards just have new faces.
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 07:14 AM
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28. They stole the American air waves and gave it to the likes of Clear Channel, FOX, Rush Limbaugh and
Aided and abetted by Bill Clinton.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 07:54 AM
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29. k and r and excuse me while i go
:puke:

This whole thing makes me ill.
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freebrew Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 07:57 AM
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30. I guess the 'normal' folk don't count?
I know at least a dozen people at work and several hundred on-line that knew all of this when the SCOTUS appointed the murdering SOB.

Let's get some more investigations going.
The actual day : 9-11-01, I suggested that this was an inside job.

Is that subject STILL taboo?

Does no one else believe it, even after all of the actions these bastards have taken to avoid questions?

Impeach, investigate and imprison the lot.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 08:02 AM
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32. The G.W. Bush years have definitely brought out my inner paranoia..
and the Nixon years seem like a quaint memory at this point.

Excellent post, one of the best I've ever read here on DU, and glad it didn't get sent to the dungeon. THANKS!!..:patriot:
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 09:27 AM
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35. This is a really important posting. More citizens are following the
early 'seers' who were given or who took the opportunity to write or speak. This country cannot be bambozzled, boondoggled, and stolen from anymore. I regret all those who would have been speaking out except that they were taken out. May there not be anymore closeted voices. May there not be a next phase of this attempted grand theft of humaity.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-18-07 06:09 AM
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43. Not true. There were no more big domestic terror attacks, which most Truthers predicted.
Edited on Thu Oct-18-07 06:09 AM by Perry Logan
You can't create a conspiracy by cherrypicking your facts...

Truthers don't like to talk about it, but most of them were TOTALLY SURE the Bad Guys were going to launch more--and bigger fake domestic terror attacks after 9/11.

For example, here are a few of the wrong predictions of Alex Jones:

"There is a 90% chance we are gonna see bone-shattering mega-attacks in the United States, Canada, or England—or Israel...It could be both. In the next couple months...by mid-October....We're talking about the total end of America, total martial law...I am predicting you will have huge terrorist attacks in the Western world by, at the latest, late October.."
--Alex Jones, InfoWars, August 10, 2006

"There is going to be more.
This is only the kick-off."
--Alex Jones, Infowars, Sept. 13, 2001

"Within 2 years I'm predicting...that you're going to see a suitcase nuke in this country. You're probably going to see a release in a few years of something communicable. And I am predicting that you will see a lot of conventional bombings...in the next year or so."
--Alex Jones, Infowars (10/18/01)

"Suitcase nukes are a virtual certainty."
--Alex Jones, Infowars (5/16/02)

They're preparing for new terrorist attacks that are much larger.
Andthey're planning to bring in foreign armies."
--Alex Jones, Infowars, 7/11/02

"They're really setting us up for a smallpox attack...
It's not a question of if and when it's gonna happen."
--Alex Jones, Infowars, 9/26/02

The 2006 election was probably also not according to plan.
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