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WileEcoyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:34 AM
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Should the ethics committee hearings involving Senator Craig be aired on television?
OK it's far from a priority in the real sense. Not when compared to the war or health care. However a good public view of the stinking hypocrisy associated with the whole republican party might do the country some good.

Some Democrats are concerned that hearings into Larry Craig's activities could turn out to be a "Gay bashing free for all". Some say it won't.

I say let the party begin. Republicans eating their own young. As well as crow!

Gonna make for some FUNNY FUNNY TV. Better than any late night joke. Write your senator and INSIST upon publicly aired hearings. I did.

Heh heh heh heh...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20071012/craig-ethics/

WASHINGTON — Larry who?

Now that scandal-tinged Idaho Sen. Larry Craig has reneged on a pledge to resign this fall, his fellow Republican senators act as though they hardly know him. They want voters to forget him, too.

But they privately acknowledge that an earlier strategy to drive Craig from office has backfired, sticking them with an open-ended ethics investigation likely to keep the issue before the public for months.

Senate Republicans demanded the Ethics Committee inquiry into his sex-sting conviction last summer in hopes of forcing Craig to resign. He essentially called their bluff this month when he reversed his decision to resign Sept. 30 unless a court let him drop his guilty plea.

Now Republicans are powerless to stop a process almost certain to do more political damage to the party in general than to a retiring senator.

"I think they were a little fanciful" in urging the Senate's Select Committee on Ethics to take up the matter, said Stanley Brand, a Washington lawyer for Craig. He called the strong-arm strategy "ethical waterboarding," referring to the controversial interrogation technique.

Some senators had pointedly warned Craig that any ethics committee hearings might be public, and probably televised.

While public hearings are possible, lawyers and Senate staffers familiar with the committee say closed sessions seem more likely. The last public hearings were held 17 years ago, in the "Keating Five" case. The "Keating Five" case was a congressional scandal involving the widespread failure of savings and loans institutions.

Current Ethics Committee Chairman Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., unsuccessfully pressed for public hearings in 1995 into sexual harassment charges against Sen. Bob Packwood, R-Ore. But colleagues and analysts said Boxer and her fellow Democrats might proceed cautiously in the Craig matter.

Senate Democrats are wary of creating precedents involving misdemeanor charges that could ensnare their own party members someday. They also will want to avoid a public spectacle that some might interpret as gay-bashing.

"Don't look for any open hearings or for any speedy resolution of this case," said Thomas E. Mann, a congressional scholar at the Brookings Institution. "Republicans would like it out of the news. And Democrats, who don't mind at all having it in the news, must be careful not to press too hard and offend many of their supporters."

Craig was arrested June 11 by an undercover police officer in a men's room in the Minneapolis airport. He denied soliciting sex, but pleaded guilty weeks later to disorderly conduct, saying he wanted the matter to quietly go away.

After the arrest became public, Craig tried to withdraw his plea, but a judge disallowed it. Craig then said he would complete his third term, which ends in 15 months.

The secretive Ethics Committee, comprising three Democrats and three Republicans, may recommend discipline against a senator for "conduct or activity which does not directly relate to official duties, when such conduct unfavorably reflects on the institution as a whole."

Despite that broad standard, Brand told the committee in September that it has never acted on allegations unrelated to a senator's "official action."

Boxer said through a spokeswoman Friday: "We are in the process of conducting a preliminary inquiry, and this stage is always closed to the public. If, at the end of the preliminary inquiry, the Ethics Committee decides to move into the adjudicatory phase, any hearings held would be public unless the committee votes to close them. But that is a decision that is made after we have completed our preliminary inquiry."

The Ethics Committee traditionally moves slowly, with some cases taking years to resolve. The Craig matter seems no exception.

Spokesmen for the senator and the arresting police officer said this week that no one from the committee had approached them about possible testimony or information.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:36 AM
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1. The Dems should stay out of it
Just sit back and watch.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 01:17 PM
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8. Yes, but I want to watch too!
I wanna see the repukes sit there and defend this guy, it is must see tv!

:D
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:36 AM
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2. Big screen TVs! At sports bars!
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WileEcoyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:50 AM
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3. Now you're talkin'!
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 12:02 PM
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4. Hahahaha!
Yeah, you can't believe how some of the people here are just cringing in fear that they will televise all the sleazy aspects of Senator Craig's love life.

Since I'm from Idaho, I'm a little concerned that maybe some of the local talking heads might actually explode on tv while trying to spin the coverage of the hearing.

But, that would make it all worthwhile to me.

The local NBC affiliate was in denial for about 2 weeks over this story.
They had the worst coverage of the story I have ever seen, trying to defend Craig day after day.
But, the local CBS affiliate did a very good job of reporting the facts of the story without getting bogged down because of the person the story was about.
The local ABC affiliate did a pretty good job of relating the story as well, but they didn't do as much reporting on the story as the CBS station did.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 12:12 PM
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5. Will Larry Craigs induction into the Idaho Hall of Fame be on C-Span today? n/t
:-)
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 12:22 PM
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6. Just another distraction....
n/t
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WileEcoyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 01:10 PM
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7. Not really
You have a few Senators with secure seats grandstand the matter the whole afternoon.

Honorable Senator Boxer:

1. "Isn't it true Senator (Craig from Idaho) that you have actively campaigned against the very same people such as you appear to be"?

2. "Are you calling me an idiot Senator Craig? Necause i wasn't born yesterday".

3. Have you received support from the Idaho gay community Senator Craig"?


Honorable Senator Clinton:

(can't syop from laughing)

Honorable Majority Leader Harry Reid:

"The session will now come to (laughs uncontrollably) order Ah hah hah hah"
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 01:19 PM
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9. The hearing room is ready
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WileEcoyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:55 AM
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10. Ha ha ha ha ha hah...
Man if they ever televise those hearings it's going to raise Letterman, Leno and O'Brien's late night ratings ten miles high.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:42 AM
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14. Haw haw haw!
Dude, you're killing me!
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:00 AM
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11. No.
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:36 AM
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12. definitely not
it will almost certainly be a gay bashing free for all and Dems would be wise (and right) to stay completely away from it

where was Vitter's ethics hearing? or any of the other shitbag republicans caught with their pants down?

to be honest I actually feel a little bad for Larry
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WileEcoyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:08 AM
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13. Why?
He's a repressed hypocrite and deserves whatever nasty public response he gets.

It's not his gayness. It's the mean spirited hypocrisy and harming his own kind for profit and political gain.

I don't want to see senator Craig burned at the stake but the hearings will be a great way to bring the GOP's corruption to the public eye.

"Bring 'em on"!
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:54 AM
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15. I disagree, there won't be any gay bashing going on in the Senate ethics hearing.
And the Democrats must condemn Craig's behavior - or else their silence condones it.

I don't know how you or anyone can feel bad for Craig. It makes no sense to me at all.
Craig has adamantly, loudly, and openly opposed gay civil unions and gay marriages and letting gays serve in the military for almost 3 whole decades.
He has run every single one of his campaigns on a "family values" soapbox.
He has portrayed himself as something he is not.
He is the biggest hypocrite serving today in the entire body of the U.S. Congress - that's a pretty big distinction to make, considering there are 544 other members of Congress to compete for that lofty title.

Plus, Craig said he would resign last month. He lied to the people of Idaho. He lied to the people of the United States. He lied.


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WileEcoyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 07:40 PM
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16. Exactly. If Senator Craig wants to make himself into a punching bag?
Then by all means we should kick the living tar out of him. As well as every republican in the room who falsely claims moral superiority.
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